Porsche 911 GT3 v McLaren 570S Track Pack - DEADLY RIVALS
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isaldiri said:
Taffy66 said:
A measly 5mm is nothing compared to increasing the width of wheels and tyres by 30mm..Are you able to discern the difference in power on your cars with new tyres compared to slightly worn ones.....thought not..!
No but I can guarantee you my car is quicker on Cup2s than with a Primacy tyre that has much lower rolling resistance.....And for some strange reason, both Porsche own numbers and every other mag test I can think of had the gt4 being quicker in a straight line. So unless your definition of 'quicker' is different from mine I'm somewhat unsure how you reckon your spyder was quicker than the gt4.
Porsche911R said:
Agree you never see fast macca laptimes, it’s under tyred out back to use any of it's power.
It’s a Pretty dull car to drive and a bit of a one trick pony, hence you see a lot at vmax and drag time days.
Let’s hope the 600lt brings more to the party.
Ffs r you do keep coming out with some dribble,the 570 and 540 are great value and good fun.It’s a Pretty dull car to drive and a bit of a one trick pony, hence you see a lot at vmax and drag time days.
Let’s hope the 600lt brings more to the party.
The lt you could say is undertyred also,you would not see which way it went and its got better road manners because of the narrower tyres.
I thought you go to vmax to race!
Yellow491 said:
Ffs r you do keep coming out with some dribble,the 570 and 540 are great value and good fun.
The lt you could say is undertyred also,you would not see which way it went and its got better road manners because of the narrower tyres.
I thought you go to vmax to race!
I did vmax back in the day in a ttrs as it was also a one trick pony and was a bit of a laugh in 2010 when that car came out and punched way above its value with a stage 2 upgrade. The lt you could say is undertyred also,you would not see which way it went and its got better road manners because of the narrower tyres.
I thought you go to vmax to race!
I sold it after 2 years as I got board of the car and lack of involvement. I went to a 996 GT3 after that car. That was over rated also :-).
I only went to those events to go in friends cars after that to break my 200mph cherry.
918 and a RUF ctr3 both did well over 200mph to tick that box.
As for the 570 , It’s not dribble if I did not enjoy the car is it ?
They look great value now the 570s but it just not exciting once you get past the speed thing.
Sexy cars, but just not doing it for me behind the wheel :-(
The speed thing is odd, I did the super bike thing so cars are pretty slow, I just ended up doing 180mph every where and went to court too often and always had a ton of points.
This new GT3 has been the best car I have owned but it still Don,t have the feel and fun factor my s
tty slow 987.2 car has. Hence it having a few upgrades, one thing it don’t need is more speed. I just don’t think I like turbo cars much as fun cars and speed don't really count for much after a point and I def dislike Automatics.A lot of people love these new type of driverless cars I guess where you only have to steer.
I would love to build a 997gts hot rod custom job, but it's a £100k project and I don't really do keepers to give that a go.
Next car will be a Lotus again, I spent 5 years in Lotus cars and love to hate them, but they do offer the driver in you smiles per miles.
What times are you doing at Silverstone in the LT out of interest.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 7th November 07:14
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I did vmax back in the day in a ttrs as it was also a one trick pony and was a bit of a laugh in 2010 when that car came out and punched way above its value with a stage 2 upgrade.
I sold it after 2 years as I got board of the car and lack of involvement. I went to a 996 GT3 after that car. That was over rated also :-).
I only went to those events to go in friends cars after that to break my 200mph cherry.
918 and a RUF ctr3 both did well over 200mph to tick that box.
As for the 570 , It’s not dribble if I did not enjoy the car is it ?
They look great value now the 570s but it just not exciting once you get past the speed thing.
Sexy cars, but just not doing it for me behind the wheel :-(
The speed thing is odd, I did the super bike thing so cars are pretty slow, I just ended up doing 180mph every where and went to court too often and always had a ton of points.
This new GT3 has been the best car I have owned but it still Don,t have the feel and fun factor my stty slow 987.2 car has. Hence it having a few upgrades, one thing it don’t need is more speed. I just don’t think I like turbo cars much as fun cars and speed don't really count for much after a point and I def dislike Automatics.
A lot of people love these new type of driverless cars I guess where you only have to steer.
I would love to build a 997gts hot rod custom job, but it's a £100k project and I don't really do keepers to give that a go.
Next car will be a Lotus again, I spent 5 years in Lotus cars and love to hate them, but they do offer the driver in you smiles per miles.
What times are you doing at Silverstone in the LT out of interest.
Your personal view is one thing,but statements are not,and its total dribble.
‘Agree you never see fast macca laptimes, it’s under tyred out back to use any of it's power”
The lt is the only car that i have come across to drive so far that leaves superbikes behind on the road,straight line or around the bends where the big bikes are positevly pants!
Its the fastest car i have driven to the brakeing point on hanger straight all with little skinny tyres.
I did vmax back in the day in a ttrs as it was also a one trick pony and was a bit of a laugh in 2010 when that car came out and punched way above its value with a stage 2 upgrade.
I sold it after 2 years as I got board of the car and lack of involvement. I went to a 996 GT3 after that car. That was over rated also :-).
I only went to those events to go in friends cars after that to break my 200mph cherry.
918 and a RUF ctr3 both did well over 200mph to tick that box.
As for the 570 , It’s not dribble if I did not enjoy the car is it ?
They look great value now the 570s but it just not exciting once you get past the speed thing.
Sexy cars, but just not doing it for me behind the wheel :-(
The speed thing is odd, I did the super bike thing so cars are pretty slow, I just ended up doing 180mph every where and went to court too often and always had a ton of points.
This new GT3 has been the best car I have owned but it still Don,t have the feel and fun factor my s
tty slow 987.2 car has. Hence it having a few upgrades, one thing it don’t need is more speed. I just don’t think I like turbo cars much as fun cars and speed don't really count for much after a point and I def dislike Automatics.A lot of people love these new type of driverless cars I guess where you only have to steer.
I would love to build a 997gts hot rod custom job, but it's a £100k project and I don't really do keepers to give that a go.
Next car will be a Lotus again, I spent 5 years in Lotus cars and love to hate them, but they do offer the driver in you smiles per miles.
What times are you doing at Silverstone in the LT out of interest.
Your personal view is one thing,but statements are not,and its total dribble.
‘Agree you never see fast macca laptimes, it’s under tyred out back to use any of it's power”
The lt is the only car that i have come across to drive so far that leaves superbikes behind on the road,straight line or around the bends where the big bikes are positevly pants!
Its the fastest car i have driven to the brakeing point on hanger straight all with little skinny tyres.
Yellow491]orsche911R said:
The lt is the only car that i have come across to drive so far that leaves superbikes behind on the road,straight line or around the bends where the big bikes are positevly pants!
Its the fastest car i have driven to the brakeing point on hanger straight all with little skinny tyres.
but then what happens in the corners after the braking point ? LT is not lighting up any lap time charts, in fact one wonders why it's performance is so slow for the car :-( very disappointing and yet another 1 trick pony. which is great for vmax events but bugger all good anywhere else when cars with 170 bhp less lap faster, and cars with the same BHP are 2 to 3 seconds down the road.Its the fastest car i have driven to the brakeing point on hanger straight all with little skinny tyres.
btw any of the modern super bikes would out drag it now days. but I guess you have 2018 base model Ducatti performance.
FFS. Cut the crap about the 675 being slow on track and only quick in a straight line. The car is blindingly quick and claiming otherwise is just stupid. With a 10hz gps recorder, i have seen 2:16 at Silverstone and 2:36 at Spa. That's with a very good but non pro driver at the wheel and it is on a completely different scale of speed to a gt3 or gt3rs.
Porsche911R said:
but then what happens in the corners after the braking point ? LT is not lighting up any lap time charts, in fact one wonders why it's performance is so slow for the car :-( very disappointing and yet another 1 trick pony. which is great for vmax events but bugger all good anywhere else when cars with 170 bhp less lap faster, and cars with the same BHP are 2 to 3 seconds down the road.
btw any of the modern super bikes would out drag it now days. but I guess you have 2018 base model Ducatti performance.
But don't forget they completely sorted the rear brake steer calibration on the LT, and it runs the F1 derived suspension set up. The 570s has neither. Only have to look at the Lap times for the LT to see that its a very fast car. But the Lap times are only half the story on the LT, its also a brilliant driving car also.... btw any of the modern super bikes would out drag it now days. but I guess you have 2018 base model Ducatti performance.
isaldiri said:
FFS. Cut the crap about the 675 being slow on track and only quick in a straight line. The car is blindingly quick and claiming otherwise is just stupid. With a 10hz gps recorder, i have seen 2:16 at Silverstone and 2:36 at Spa. That's with a very good but non pro driver at the wheel and it is on a completely different scale of speed to a gt3 or gt3rs.
Someone please get the Mclaren to the Ring,that would be a fair equaliser!!! as we already know the P1 wasn't that good there 
isaldiri said:
FFS. Cut the crap about the 675 being slow on track and only quick in a straight line. The car is blindingly quick and claiming otherwise is just stupid. With a 10hz gps recorder, i have seen 2:16 at Silverstone and 2:36 at Spa. That's with a very good but non pro driver at the wheel and it is on a completely different scale of speed to a gt3 or gt3rs.
why compare it to a £111k GT3 ? it's not comparable price brackets or BHP. Although it laps slower then the £140k GT3 RS at 1/2 the price.take a look at the other 650bhp super cars and the LT starts to look a bit poor even though it's still faster than the others in a straight line.
Of course it's not slow, it's just the slowest in that price bracket of cars round laps !
I always check out Sport auto times as you love quoting that mag time and time again, but not a crazy long straight track and the same drivers which is always nice. Laps the same as a base Gt3 but 4 seconds off a GT2 RS and 2 off a performante. and it's a very short track.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
you quote 2.36 at Spa that would need seeing as that's quicker than the fastest lap by 2 seconds recorded by a McLaren P1 !
we all know how fast they are at Vmax they always turn up and win every thing, sadly it's outclassed round any circuit by, Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes and Lamborghini.
Is what it is.
Juno said:
Someone please get the Mclaren to the Ring,that would be a fair equaliser!!! as we already know the P1 wasn't that good there
It would not fair well hence they don't do it. The 570S is a pretty poor lap time machine being 5 or 6 even more off even a short lap.They are obsessed with being faster than the Ferrari on paper in a straight line for some reason hence when the the 488Pista figures are out the 760LT will of course post faster on paper times.
I really went off the brand after my factory visit, one track mind and cutting tech so the cars are out of date before you drive them home hence they drop in price so much :-(
Amazing value the 570S is 2nd hand if you want to win a Vmax days though and turn up to nice events looking the bomb, just cars make with no passion and that shows when you drive them.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 7th November 10:40
Porsche911R said:
we all know how fast they are at Vmax they always turn up and win every thing, sadly it's outclassed round any circuit by, Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes and Lamborghini.
Is what it is.
They don't win anything at VMAX events! Its designed for corners not straights the LT Is what it is.
- 0-300kph about 26 secs certainly quick but theres cars at vMAX running to 300kph in 15 secs! A 720s is 19 secs 0-300kph and thats not the quickest at VMAX although amazing for cars straight out of the box.
IMI A said:
They don't win anything at VMAX events! Its designed for corners not straights the LT
- 0-300kph about 26 secs certainly quick but theres cars at vMAX running to 300kph in 15 secs! A 720s is 19 secs 0-300kph and thats not the quickest at VMAX although amazing for cars straight out of the box.
they did when they came out, the 720S moved the game along in straight line speed for sure, the cars at Vmax these days are hyper cars.- 0-300kph about 26 secs certainly quick but theres cars at vMAX running to 300kph in 15 secs! A 720s is 19 secs 0-300kph and thats not the quickest at VMAX although amazing for cars straight out of the box.
As I say buy a Macca and it's outdated before you get it home.
I hope the 600LT has a bit of passion behind it, but I bet it will lap quicker than the 675LT.
Porsche911R said:
IMI A said:
They don't win anything at VMAX events! Its designed for corners not straights the LT
- 0-300kph about 26 secs certainly quick but theres cars at vMAX running to 300kph in 15 secs! A 720s is 19 secs 0-300kph and thats not the quickest at VMAX although amazing for cars straight out of the box.
they did when they came out - 0-300kph about 26 secs certainly quick but theres cars at vMAX running to 300kph in 15 secs! A 720s is 19 secs 0-300kph and thats not the quickest at VMAX although amazing for cars straight out of the box.
Porsche911R said:
you quote 2.36 at Spa that would need seeing as that's quicker than the fastest lap by 2 seconds recorded by a McLaren P1 !
we all know how fast they are at Vmax they always turn up and win every thing, sadly it's outclassed round any circuit by, Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes and Lamborghini.
Is what it is.
It is most certainly not what you say it is as you come up with some amazing tripe sometimes.we all know how fast they are at Vmax they always turn up and win every thing, sadly it's outclassed round any circuit by, Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes and Lamborghini.
Is what it is.
I hope the person who did the time doesn't mind me putting this up as I've picked it from another forum. Some of us here will know him too.
And if you think 'fastestlaps.com' is the last word in laptimes you're sadly mistaken about what a P1 can do at Spa.
And out of the box without Cup2 R a gt2 rs is not easily going to do that kind of time either. A 720 by the way probably is a second ish faster than a 675 and only on the corsa tyres.
Edited by isaldiri on Wednesday 7th November 11:08
APOLO1 said:
Porsche911R said:
but then what happens in the corners after the braking point ? LT is not lighting up any lap time charts, in fact one wonders why it's performance is so slow for the car :-( very disappointing and yet another 1 trick pony. which is great for vmax events but bugger all good anywhere else when cars with 170 bhp less lap faster, and cars with the same BHP are 2 to 3 seconds down the road.
Your still talking nonsense,vmax is not raceing,the lt is not so fast in a straight line as others because of the areo,its the most stable car at speed i have driven.
btw any of the modern super bikes would out drag it now days. but I guess you have 2018 base model Ducatti performance.
no i dont but friends have dukes and others,they cant keep it down and positevly slow around corners.Your still talking nonsense,vmax is not raceing,the lt is not so fast in a straight line as others because of the areo,its the most stable car at speed i have driven.
btw any of the modern super bikes would out drag it now days. but I guess you have 2018 base model Ducatti performance.
My best time around spa was 2.34 a few years ago in a porsche,the lt would and will be quicker.Its sounds like you are a acomplished /very experienced racer,whats your best spa time! From your arm chair or playstation
But don't forget they completely sorted the rear brake steer calibration on the LT, and it runs the F1 derived suspension set up. The 570s has neither. Only have to look at the Lap times for the LT to see that its a very fast car. But the Lap times are only half the story on the LT, its also a brilliant driving car also....
This one does look rather special https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
isaldiri said:
It is most certainly not what you say it is as you come up with some amazing tripe sometimes.
I hope the person who did the time doesn't mind me putting this up as I've picked it from another forum. Some of us here will know him too.
And if you think 'fastestlaps.com' is the last word in laptimes you're sadly mistaken about what a P1 can do at Spa.
And out of the box without Cup2 R a gt2 rs is not easily going to do that kind of time either. A 720 by the way probably is a second ish faster than a 675 and only on the corsa tyres.
Don't forget the GT3RS.2 Did a 2.36.4. With a bit more left on the table.....I hope the person who did the time doesn't mind me putting this up as I've picked it from another forum. Some of us here will know him too.
And if you think 'fastestlaps.com' is the last word in laptimes you're sadly mistaken about what a P1 can do at Spa.
And out of the box without Cup2 R a gt2 rs is not easily going to do that kind of time either. A 720 by the way probably is a second ish faster than a 675 and only on the corsa tyres.
Edited by isaldiri on Wednesday 7th November 11:08
http://www.s9s.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18032
Also we both know that the 675LT was lapping in the 2,36s constantly 2 up with a Lap Top when they were doing suspension calibration.
Juno said:
This one does look rather special https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Looks like a beaut..! My only concern is the POA bit which can only mean one thing..
I really like McLarens and looking in the classifieds for a buying opportunity..A 720S or 570S can be a fantastic buy especially when you compare to the daft 'overs' for GT2/3 RSs..
The 720 is really growing on me every time i look, which is strange as i hated it when it was launched..
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