Porsche 911 GT3 v McLaren 570S Track Pack - DEADLY RIVALS

[Yellow491]

Taffy66 said:

Juno said:

This one does look rather special https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Looks like a beaut..! My only concern is the POA bit which can only mean one thing..
I really like McLarens and looking in the classifieds for a buying opportunity..A 720S or 570S can be a fantastic buy especially when you compare to the daft 'overs' for GT2/3 RSs..
The 720 is really growing on me every time i look, which is strange as i hated it when it was launched..

Thats the HS which will be expensive,rare and a bit more power.
The best value is a used 540,amazeing value,great little car.These cars can be tickled for more power and tune the set up.

Re the spa times,it just cant be possible in a boring mclaren

[hunter 66]

Lap times , interesting see in the new Autocar 600LT is 2 secs faster than .2RS and the Pista is over 3 secs faster at Anglesea ...... The new .2 RS is over a second and a half slower than the .1 RS .... so Porsche going backwards ?
Got to love Fez turning up with 100 k of spare wheels and tyres ..... nice turn up at the knife fight with a Assault rifle

Edited by hunter 66 on Wednesday 7th November 14:03

[Purple Man]

Just finished reading todays Autocar test.
Looks like those Mclaren's can put in a fast lap time, even with those bicycle thin tyres!
Maybe thats the problem with my GT3, the tyres are to wide?

[Porsche911R]

hunter 66 said:

Lap times , interesting see in the new Autocar 600LT is 2 secs faster than .2RS and the Pista is over 3 secs faster at Anglesea ...... The new .2 RS is over a second and a half slower than the .1 RS .... so Porsche going backwards ?
Got to love Fez turning up with 100 k of spare wheels and tyres ..... nice turn up at the knife fight with a Assault rifle

The Pista is an amazing machine and what 520hp/ton

Friends getting one, cannot wait to have a go in it.

600LT is the 1st Macca I have liked, but sold out and a bit of a price hike over a GT3.

very odd regarding the RS time as the new GT3 matches the 600LT time, some thing not quite right there.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 8th November 08:53

[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

hunter 66 said:

Lap times , interesting see in the new Autocar 600LT is 2 secs faster than .2RS and the Pista is over 3 secs faster at Anglesea ...... The new .2 RS is over a second and a half slower than the .1 RS .... so Porsche going backwards ?
Got to love Fez turning up with 100 k of spare wheels and tyres ..... nice turn up at the knife fight with a Assault rifle

The Pista is an amazing machine.

Friends getting one, cannot wait to have a go in it.

600LT is the 1st Macca I have liked, but sold out.

Haha thats a good one r,they are so unpopular they are sold out and you cant have one,you will just have to pay overs!;)
Any way the tyres are not wide enough for you and they cant lay the bhp into the black stuff,so it just wont be any good to you,and of couse it will be boring to drive.

[Porsche911R]

Yellow491 said:

Haha thats a good one r,they are so unpopular they are sold out and you cant have one,you will just have to pay overs!;)
Any way the tyres are not wide enough for you and they cant lay the bhp into the black stuff,so it just wont be any good to you,and of couse it will be boring to drive.

why will it be any of that ? It's the 1st time they have made a track/road car in the sports line up, so not sure why you are getting all excited and posting daft stuff.

Lets hope they realise what fun is in this new model. To quote them, "our new Sports car benchmark", To create the most thrilling and exhilarating road-legal model. etc etc

I hope they have made something interesting at last :-)

[Taffy66]

I must say both Ferrari and McLaren are on a roll these days..After reading EVO's test on the 600LT where the tester states its the world's best handling car, it makes you wonder how much further Porsche can develop the rear engined platform before it has to succumb to mid engine..
I need to go out to rob a bank.......can anyone recommend a good getaway car..?

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

I must say both Ferrari and McLaren are on a roll these days..After reading EVO's test on the 600LT where the tester states its the world's best handling car, it makes you wonder how much further Porsche can develop the rear engined platform before it has to succumb to mid engine..
I need to go out to rob a bank.......can anyone recommend a good getaway car..?

GT3, it's the only car with a place to put anything more than a tooth brush at these levels and hence why we buy them and can use them.

[APOLO1]

Yellow491 said:

Haha thats a good one r,they are so unpopular they are sold out and you cant have one,you will just have to pay overs!;)
Any way the tyres are not wide enough for you and they cant lay the bhp into the black stuff,so it just wont be any good to you,and of couse it will be boring to drive.

Just about every road test that I have read on the 600LT says its the best actual driving road Mac to date and that incudes a "Senna." No doubt though that the Trofeo R will play a part in its lap times.

[Cheib]

Taffy66 said:

I must say both Ferrari and McLaren are on a roll these days..After reading EVO's test on the 600LT where the tester states its the world's best handling car, it makes you wonder how much further Porsche can develop the rear engined platform before it has to succumb to mid engine..
I need to go out to rob a bank.......can anyone recommend a good getaway car..?

I doubt they're really putting much serious effort into improving the engineering of the rear engined 911 platform as we know it any more. Within 10 years we'll have an electric 911 of some sort...unless they want to hang the battery pack out over the rear axle the 911 will lose it's USP!

[Porsche911R]

Cheib said:

I doubt they're really putting much serious effort into improving the engineering of the rear engined 911 platform as we know it any more. Within 10 years we'll have an electric 911 of some sort...unless they want to hang the battery pack out over the rear axle the 911 will lose it's USP!

next round of cars will be shared platform anyway.

[Taffy66]

Porsche911R said:

next round of cars will be shared platform anyway.

After the 992 that will happen AFAIK..I'm really itching to try a McLaren of some sort to find out what all the fuss is about..

[isaldiri]

Yellow491 said:

Any way the tyres are not wide enough for you and they cant lay the bhp into the black stuff,so it just wont be any good to you,and of couse it will be boring to drive.

You forgot none of the Mclarens can put in a quick lap time too according to the resident 'expert'.....

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

You forgot none of the Mclarens can put in a quick lap time too according to the resident 'expert'.....

you have issues.....

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

you have issues.....

Probably, but I didn't make a stupid claim that a 675 wasn't able to corner and then challenge someone to produce said 2:36 lap at Spa then go very quiet after that either.

[Yellow491]

[quote=Porsche911R]

why will it be any of that ? It's the 1st time they have made a track/road car in the sports line up, so not sure why you are getting all excited and posting daft stuff.
If its daft stuff thats only because i am repeatung what you have said in the past.

Lets hope they realise what fun is in this new model. To quote them, "our new Sports car benchmark", To create the most thrilling and exhilarating road-legal model. etc etc

Thats why you keep buying the latest because you believe all the sales Bs.

To be better than the LT daddy,it will require the f1 hydraulic suspension that was so efficient it got banned in F1.
A director in charge of the build i know well,he is a out and out porsche nut and has driven/race a lot of porsches ,they have one goal insight,being better than porsche across the board.They still have a gt3 and turbo to take apart regularly,and dont kid them selves its a steep hill to climb! With such skinny tyres and boring drive experience

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

Probably, but I didn't make a stupid claim that a 675 wasn't able to corner and then challenge someone to produce said 2:36 lap at Spa then go very quiet after that either.

I said that's 2 seconds faster than a P1 fastest ever recoded lap, so I would have to see a Vbox of a 2.36 lap because without back it up it didn't happen, that's todays issue with fake news, one has to back up claims these days.

If I said I did a 2.14 at Silverstone in my GT3 you would be the 1st to ask for the data.

If you fail to grasp the other 4 big manufacturers have less BHP more weight and do faster times, something is not quite spot on with Macca's when they have class leading BHP/ton on paper stats and always have the fastest 0-200kph times, which leads me to think they must corner slower than the other 4 big players in this segment as they are faster every where else.

I had a car for a day, it was dull once you got over the speed thing IMO, I was then invited to the Factory and had a good few chats to the top people there, they are obsessed with Ferrari on paper stats hence their cars come after Ferrari ,as they wait to see what times on paper a Ferrari does then make sure they have a faster car.

It's a very nice lifestyle Product, they will never make a 4 seater or SUV and will only make 5k cars PA, so as a Lifestyle brand it's a nice thing to turn up in and also you know in a straight line nothing comes past you.

The 600LT is the 1st attempt at a track sports series car for the road, I wish it well, I like the brand and the way NO SUV or 4 seaters will happen.
I would love to buy a 570S as they are amazing value, but the car is not for me, I wish it were.

So I do look forward to the 600LT knocking some of the big 4 off the top spots if it's that good.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 8th November 10:51

[Porsche911R]

Yellow491]orsche911R said:

why will it be any of that ? It's the 1st time they have made a track/road car in the sports line up, so not sure why you are getting all excited and posting daft stuff.
If its daft stuff thats only because i am repeatung what you have said in the past.

Lets hope they realise what fun is in this new model. To quote them, "our new Sports car benchmark", To create the most thrilling and exhilarating road-legal model. etc etc

Thats why you keep buying the latest because you believe all the sales Bs.

To be better than the LT daddy,it will require the f1 hydraulic suspension that was so efficient it got banned in F1.
A director in charge of the build i know well,he is a out and out porsche nut and has driven/race a lot of porsches ,they have one goal insight,being better than porsche across the board.They still have a gt3 and turbo to take apart regularly,and dont kid them selves its a steep hill to climb! With such skinny tyres and boring drive experience

you seem to fail to grasp what fun is and what better means !! , it don't need F1 hydraulic suspension and more automation, tech etc etc . it's needs to have driver involvement and only the Sports series offers that, but still imo not good enough over other brands.

I hope the 600LT offers more for the driver.

I did like the 570S steering as it happens but that was about it.

I avoided the 991.1 GT3 as that was not a fun car imo. SO I DON'T BUY THE LATEST as that means more tech, they went backward in tech with the manual GT3 and it's a better drivers car for it.

I have ran R's for 5 years and for fun run about at weekends in a 2010 Boxster !!!!

if you are going to try and win at forums arguments, you better learn some facts about what cars I own and buy :-)

As for the Porsche thing, when I went they could not give a st about the brand, it was all Ferrari this Ferrari that etc.
They cannot compete with Porsche across the board as Porsche make more SUV than anything else and Macca will never make those one hopes and they said they will never make a 4 seater.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 8th November 10:54

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

I said that's 2 seconds faster than a P1 fastest ever recoded lap, so I would have to see a Vbox of a 2.36 lap because without back it up it didn't happen, that's todays issue with fake news, one has to back up claims these days.

If I said I did a 2.14 at Silverstone in my GT3 you would be the 1st to ask for the data.

And I did back that up, plus you don't have a clue if you think a P1 isn't faster than 2:38 just because that's on fastestlaps.com.

Expecting you to accept your prior claim that

Porsche911R said:

but then what happens in the corners after the braking point ? LT is not lighting up any lap time charts, in fact one wonders why it's performance is so slow for the car :-( very disappointing and yet another 1 trick pony. which is great for vmax events but bugger all good anywhere else when cars with 170 bhp less lap faster, and cars with the same BHP are 2 to 3 seconds down the road.

Was utter and total nonsense was probably too much to expect though.

Porsche911R said:

If you fail to grasp the other 4 big manufacturers have less BHP more weight and do faster times, something is not quite spot on with Macca's when they have class leading BHP/ton on paper stats and always have the fastest 0-200kph times, which leads me to think they must corner slower than the other 4 big players in this segment as they are faster every where else.
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Ok so do you still think they are slow in corners and can't produce a good laptime then?

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

Ok so do you still think they are slow in corners and can't produce a good laptime then?

The ring is the bench mark in times and normally the most BHP wins there, the brands always seem to fail to back up the on paper stats yes.

The big 4 and even Nissan lap faster than McLaren £ for £

As I have said many a time, it is what it is, that's todays benchmark and McLaren cannot get cars to lap there.

their best effort is from the 720S due to the crazy straight line speeds it has but still 19th !

They pulled the P1 time as it was not really on par with the other brands.

No one said the cars slow, it's just 5th out of 5 in it's sector.