PDK + Sports Mode + Paddles = Faster Shifts??
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I have a 997 Gen 2 with PDK, but without the sports chrono option. I drive it almost exclusively in manual mode (gear lever over to left) with the paddles - at least I have the sports steering wheel.
The shifts are smooth and faster than I coule execute on my previous 996 manaul, but yet they seem a little lethargic in comparison to my Golf R DSG (even with everything set to normal mode) which I also drive everywhere using the paddles. I'm specifically refering to the time it takes from flicking the paddle for the gearbox to execute the shift from one gear to another (including any rev-matching etc).
I get that the Golf's DSG is "next generation" compared to the 997.2 PDK, but I wondering if there's anything I can do to quicken the shift rate in maunal mode.
My thought is to have the sports chrono option retro-fit (sans the dash mount clock - which is good), but does SC - in Sport or Sport Plus mode - actually sharpen/quicken up the shifting when driven in manual mode?
Or to have the COBB PDK remap; anyone have experience of this?
Thoughts please.
The shifts are smooth and faster than I coule execute on my previous 996 manaul, but yet they seem a little lethargic in comparison to my Golf R DSG (even with everything set to normal mode) which I also drive everywhere using the paddles. I'm specifically refering to the time it takes from flicking the paddle for the gearbox to execute the shift from one gear to another (including any rev-matching etc).
I get that the Golf's DSG is "next generation" compared to the 997.2 PDK, but I wondering if there's anything I can do to quicken the shift rate in maunal mode.
My thought is to have the sports chrono option retro-fit (sans the dash mount clock - which is good), but does SC - in Sport or Sport Plus mode - actually sharpen/quicken up the shifting when driven in manual mode?
Or to have the COBB PDK remap; anyone have experience of this?
Thoughts please.
Edited by churchie2856 on Monday 12th November 00:49
I have COBB PDK on my Cayman S 981.
For my application they have a "sport", "extreme" and "oem+" file.
The sport file made drive mode more like sport mode and it was too aggressive for everyday driving so I actually use the "oem+" file for everyday now.
OEM+ keeps the normal gear change points but has increased clutch clamping forces, disables "creep" and also enables "sequential" gear changes with the stick (pull back to go up gears and forward to go down gears)
For my application they have a "sport", "extreme" and "oem+" file.
The sport file made drive mode more like sport mode and it was too aggressive for everyday driving so I actually use the "oem+" file for everyday now.
OEM+ keeps the normal gear change points but has increased clutch clamping forces, disables "creep" and also enables "sequential" gear changes with the stick (pull back to go up gears and forward to go down gears)
The manual says the following about the Sport, Sport+ buttons:
[i]When Sport mode is active, the PDK transmission switches to a sporty gear-changing map and shortens the gear shifting
times.Gear changes take place faster, but fuel consumption is also increased.[/i]
So the answer to your question is probably yes. Sport+ way too violent for the roads & jerks the car on the gear shifts, but you do get launch control.
[i]When Sport mode is active, the PDK transmission switches to a sporty gear-changing map and shortens the gear shifting
times.Gear changes take place faster, but fuel consumption is also increased.[/i]
So the answer to your question is probably yes. Sport+ way too violent for the roads & jerks the car on the gear shifts, but you do get launch control.
997 GTS owner here with sports chrono. As said, sports+ a bit overkill for road use, sports mode is a bit quicker but to me not a huge difference. Having driven the .2 GTS and .2 GT3, which I could immediately tell a distinctly quicker shift even in ‘normal’ mode, not sure chucking the cash at this will get you what you’re after.
churchie2856 said:
This is my fear.
The OPC retrofit is £876 (Part number: 997 044 903 02), so an expensive punt. I'll need to test drive a 997 with PDK+SC before I commit.
Anyone with COBB PDK map on a 997?
The way the PDK performed after I had the sports/sports plus retrofitted to my Cayman R was a revelation. I regarded it as £876 very well spent.The OPC retrofit is £876 (Part number: 997 044 903 02), so an expensive punt. I'll need to test drive a 997 with PDK+SC before I commit.
Anyone with COBB PDK map on a 997?
boxsey said:
churchie2856 said:
This is my fear.
The OPC retrofit is £876 (Part number: 997 044 903 02), so an expensive punt. I'll need to test drive a 997 with PDK+SC before I commit.
Anyone with COBB PDK map on a 997?
The way the PDK performed after I had the sports/sports plus retrofitted to my Cayman R was a revelation. I regarded it as £876 very well spent.The OPC retrofit is £876 (Part number: 997 044 903 02), so an expensive punt. I'll need to test drive a 997 with PDK+SC before I commit.
Anyone with COBB PDK map on a 997?
And does the car jerk/jolt with each change (a trait of sport plus mode, so I am led to believe, and one I can live without)?
churchie2856 said:
Thanks Boxsey. So with PDK in manual mode and SC in sport mode (not sport plus) were the gear shifts actioned quicker, compared to normal mode (and still in manual)?
And does the car jerk/jolt with each change (a trait of sport plus mode, so I am led to believe, and one I can live without)?
Gear shifts were noticeably quicker in sport mode whether using the paddles or in auto. Throttle response was sharper too. In sport plus the gear changes were even quicker and indeed could feel like a jolt but that was only when using full auto mode on track because the changes only happen at the red line when using it that way. I would happily use sport plus on the road (when in the mood) in manual mode and change up short of the red line. In which case the jolt on the change was less severe.And does the car jerk/jolt with each change (a trait of sport plus mode, so I am led to believe, and one I can live without)?
997 GTS PDK, so also got sports chrono.
The delay between pulling the paddle and feeling the gear change is the only annoying feature for me in this box, and I have spent some time trying it out in normal/sport/sport plus but personally never really noticed a difference.
Apparently (if you read around) there are few other factors that can affect this, such as the rpm you shift at, whether you're at full throttle or have been driving hard for a while - even Porsche claim the software adapts to your driving style.
I have indeed noticed that sometimes the delay is much shorter but haven't been able to pinpoint exactly why, definitely seems related to how spirited your driving is - and have always been in Sport then.
The frustrating part is that downshifts feel pretty much instant from pulling the paddle. On upshifts near the redline unless I shift early the engine will bounce off the limiter due to the delay.
This thread has made me want to do some more testing on this
The delay between pulling the paddle and feeling the gear change is the only annoying feature for me in this box, and I have spent some time trying it out in normal/sport/sport plus but personally never really noticed a difference.
Apparently (if you read around) there are few other factors that can affect this, such as the rpm you shift at, whether you're at full throttle or have been driving hard for a while - even Porsche claim the software adapts to your driving style.
I have indeed noticed that sometimes the delay is much shorter but haven't been able to pinpoint exactly why, definitely seems related to how spirited your driving is - and have always been in Sport then.
The frustrating part is that downshifts feel pretty much instant from pulling the paddle. On upshifts near the redline unless I shift early the engine will bounce off the limiter due to the delay.
This thread has made me want to do some more testing on this
From a previous PH thread: 997.2 S PDK - retro-fit sport mode button worth it?
Scelto said:
As I said in my earlier post, you will find yourself changing gears manually far more often and that's especially true with sport plus because it really is useless for day-to-day driving in full auto mode.
Try it. Sport Plus on, slip the stick to manual and enjoy near instant gear-shifts at the press of a button, at any revs.
Apparently this is the combination of choice: PDK in manual mode & SC in sport plus mode.Try it. Sport Plus on, slip the stick to manual and enjoy near instant gear-shifts at the press of a button, at any revs.
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