992 - anyone specing one yet?

[IMI A]

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Looks lovely that does. i have to say those rear and front arches have really been inspired by Singer. The rear spoiler when up and rear lights on etc also looks so very 959. They've done a good job with the styling IMO

[arcamalpha]

ellroy said:

arcamalpha said:

I find it a weird option. There's been no marketing of it that I've seen to justify why it's a good idea. I'd be taking carbon wings if they were an option first.

Really, why?

It’s the best place to reduce weight, effectively helping move the centre of mass lower and less likely to get hit by a stone or idiot than the wings. Makes a lot of sense, the only question for me would be cost vs weight saved and if that was a meaningful balance to the good or not.

Just seems a heck of a lot of cash for such a small weight saving - irrespective of how high up it is. A lightweight battery would save twice as much weight for a couple of hundred quid. If it were a really big thing Porsche would be marketing it. As another said the old carbon bonnet saved loads for the same money.

Each to their own but it just seems like a weird option. If they were more serious there would be more lightweight options I'd have expected.

[nn7man]

Just head to liteblox.de for a lightweight battery

[n12maser]

IMI A said:

Looks lovely that does. i have to say those rear and front arches have really been inspired by Singer. The rear spoiler when up and rear lights on etc also looks so very 959. They've done a good job with the styling IMO

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I'm getting big 959 refs from the front too, prefer the stock front spoiler as per below. Shame you can't spec amber LEDs!

[RSVP911]

nn7man said:

Am deferring mine until the Sport Design option is available, it's on the US config and breaks up the huge black plastic guppy look at the front...

That looks so much better

[anonymous-user]

That does look better, front and back!

[RSVP911]

garyhun said:

That does look better, front and back!

Agree , so much better

[ellroy]

arcamalpha said:

Just seems a heck of a lot of cash for such a small weight saving - irrespective of how high up it is. A lightweight battery would save twice as much weight for a couple of hundred quid. If it were a really big thing Porsche would be marketing it. As another said the old carbon bonnet saved loads for the same money.

Each to their own but it just seems like a weird option. If they were more serious there would be more lightweight options I'd have expected.

Sorry, but you said you’d have carbon wings if available, so we’re not talking about the savings to be had from a lightweight battery, with which I’d agree, you’re talking about carbon wings, lower down, roughly the same weight saving (?) and at a guess a great cost at a guess given the more complex design. That’s what I was questioning, not the price to weight piece.

[arcamalpha]

ellroy said:

Sorry, but you said you’d have carbon wings if available, so we’re not talking about the savings to be had from a lightweight battery, with which I’d agree, you’re talking about carbon wings, lower down, roughly the same weight saving (?) and at a guess a great cost at a guess given the more complex design. That’s what I was questioning, not the price to weight piece.

Fair point. Poor language on my part maybe - I didn’t mean I’d actaully choose carbon wings on mine. I meant I’d choose them in preference to a carbon roof if the option was there. And that’s on the basis of a guess of great weight saving.

[arcamalpha]

I’m looking forward to seeing how the 992 develops. The sports design kit from the US looks great.

[IMI A]

n12maser said:

IMI A said:

Looks lovely that does. i have to say those rear and front arches have really been inspired by Singer. The rear spoiler when up and rear lights on etc also looks so very 959. They've done a good job with the styling IMO

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I'm getting big 959 refs from the front too, prefer the stock front spoiler as per below. Shame you can't spec amber LEDs!

Yes can defo see 959 in the front too. I think you could say same about 993,997,991 looking similar to 959 at front. At the rear especially with the spoiler up there's also something 959 esq IMO about the profile of the rear with that wrap around led/tail lamp. The interior would be a deal breaker for me with the S class type dash but if current punters want the latest connectivity/infotainment can't see what else Porsche could have done there.

[mattuk77]

Monch said:

I have just been trying to spec my 992 and all prices have disappeared. Message saying refer to your OPC for Pricing.

Why do we think this is?

Price reductions so after Brexit Currency/FX we can still afford to buy them?
Price Increases so after Brexit Currency/FX we will not be able to afford them?
Or a computer glitch?

I am going for reductions :-)

I’m hoping for increases because I’ve put my deposit down and signed the order form I wonder if they are concerned about the 10% tariffs on car imports if we do end up on WTO terms?

[Davidkn]

mattuk77 said:

I’m hoping for increases because I’ve put my deposit down and signed the order form I wonder if they are concerned about the 10% tariffs on car imports if we do end up on WTO terms?

Doesn’t matter if you signed the order form, they can still increase the price and the dealer can ask you to pay the extra if they don’t want to absorb the cost, happened to me when I bought my Boxster gts 3 years ago. Also happened to me when I bought the 911 GTS but as it wasn’t a big increase the dealer absorbed the cost this time (was a different dealer though). Pretty sure there’s a clause in the contract that means they can increase the price, until you receive the car, the contract is not complete.

[Cheib]

Davidkn said:

mattuk77 said:

I’m hoping for increases because I’ve put my deposit down and signed the order form I wonder if they are concerned about the 10% tariffs on car imports if we do end up on WTO terms?

Doesn’t matter if you signed the order form, they can still increase the price and the dealer can ask you to pay the extra if they don’t want to absorb the cost, happened to me when I bought my Boxster gts 3 years ago. Also happened to me when I bought the 911 GTS but as it wasn’t a big increase the dealer absorbed the cost this time (was a different dealer though). Pretty sure there’s a clause in the contract that means they can increase the price, until you receive the car, the contract is not complete.

The cut off on price rises is when the car leaves the factory IIRC. Contract signing date isn’t relevant unfortunately

[mattuk77]

Cheib said:

The cut off on price rises is when the car leaves the factory IIRC. Contract signing date isn’t relevant unfortunately

I re-read the agreement, there is nothing that says they can vary the price so I’d like to see them try. Price section;

PRICE & PAYMENT
4.1 The price of the Vehicle is as set out in the New Vehicle Order Form (the “Price”) and includes value-added tax.
NEW VEHICLE SALES TERMS AND CONDITIONS
4.2 If we buy and take physical delivery of the Trade-In Vehicle(s) as envisaged in clause 6, then against the Price we will set off the Trade-In Allowance as determined in accordance with clause 6.
4.3 You must make full and unconditional payment of the Price (less any deposit paid and Trade-in Allowance given) to us in cleared funds on or before the Collection Date in accordance with clause 7.7. All payments towards the Price must be made in conformity with our payment policy, and any non-conforming payments may be rejected or returned without affecting your responsibility to pay the Price.

They can cancel the agreement due to reasons outside of their control, so I imagine something like import tariffs, but just because they wish to put the price up would not be one of them in my opinion.

[2010spy]

Erniemcp said:

That’s a very good point re sport design package. It really helps with the rear end which looks likes it’s bityom heavy as std.

That looks miles better. Where did you get those pictures? Cheers.

[WG]

mattuk77 said:

Cheib said:

The cut off on price rises is when the car leaves the factory IIRC. Contract signing date isn’t relevant unfortunately

I re-read the agreement, there is nothing that says they can vary the price so I’d like to see them try. Price section;

PRICE & PAYMENT
4.1 The price of the Vehicle is as set out in the New Vehicle Order Form (the “Price”) and includes value-added tax.
NEW VEHICLE SALES TERMS AND CONDITIONS
4.2 If we buy and take physical delivery of the Trade-In Vehicle(s) as envisaged in clause 6, then against the Price we will set off the Trade-In Allowance as determined in accordance with clause 6.
4.3 You must make full and unconditional payment of the Price (less any deposit paid and Trade-in Allowance given) to us in cleared funds on or before the Collection Date in accordance with clause 7.7. All payments towards the Price must be made in conformity with our payment policy, and any non-conforming payments may be rejected or returned without affecting your responsibility to pay the Price.

They can cancel the agreement due to reasons outside of their control, so I imagine something like import tariffs, but just because they wish to put the price up would not be one of them in my opinion.

Wishful thinking I'm afraid. I am in same position having just placed an order for a Macan and I have asked for delivery before 29 March in case of WTO tariffs. However any increase in list price by manufacturer can be passed on to customer. (I have just looked at my order documentation and it is clearly different from yours as the clauses you quote above are not included in my document - there is no mention of price - though costs of course are listed) However given that both Macan and 992 have only just been luanched/made available on UK market I would like to think that they have already set the prices for these models at 2019 prices. This has certainly been the case in the past when a general increase has been applied but has excluded newly launched models. Here's hoping !!

[Phooey]

Apart from the interior I think it looks fantastic.. makes the 991 look a bit dated. I wish I was having one

[Cheib]

Erniemcp said:

in reply to 2010 SPY 2 posts back.....The top pic is the sport design package you can see it clearer on US configurator it’s not available (yet) on uk site. Bottom picture is from a Porsche news feed of standard rear. Previous sports design options have imho been a bit incidental and cash maker but this is the real deal and interesting that they’ve put their back into it as much. Perhaps they knew the std was a design, emissions, cost, build compromise so came up with this as a solution for the purists?

Edited by Erniemcp on Sunday 23 December 10:46

I think you’re being a bit generous! My guess is they’ve tried to make the Sport Design kit a “must have” to increase profits. Whether that was by putting extra effort into it or by making the base 992 a bit needy on the looks front who knows....I suspect a bit of both.

[2010spy]

Erniemcp said:

in reply to 2010 SPY 2 posts back.....The top pic is the sport design package you can see it clearer on US configurator it’s not available (yet) on uk site. Bottom picture is from a Porsche news feed of standard rear. Previous sports design options have imho been a bit incidental and cash maker but this is the real deal and interesting that they’ve put their back into it as much. Perhaps they knew the std was a design, emissions, cost, build compromise so came up with this as a solution for the purists?

My issue with the 992 is the rear from lights down, too much screen based sensor side and too big wheels. I like this photo of it as it hides the ‘ugliest bits’

Although this photo also reminds me of the 991.2 GTS or if I squint a wide bodied 993 C4S

Edited by Erniemcp on Sunday 23 December 10:46

Thanks! Very helpful....