997.1 GT3 - 911 Virgin

[Digga]

GT4RS said:

DjSki said:

RC1 said:

mainly road and sometimes track...

i did have a good fiddle with the adaptives in the glasgow car and they were good but the buckets make me feel a little bit more special.

practicalities aside, i guess im drawn to the cs from a slightly purist stance ie its a more direct expression of the gt ethos at least for me and my 'athletic' build that finds those buckets a very reassuring place to be!

What do you think would be a fair bid for the Glasgow car? I'm a big fan of GT Silver.

I agree that a CS car is the one to have, but the difference in price is unlikely to move down compared to a CS, will always be there.... and as people say a pair of pole positions isn't a lot of money and might almost be cooler......and I don't need a cage...just looks cool unless you are hammering around the Nurburgring at sub 8min pace....which I wont be.

You will never get a honest answer as you have owners talking prices up and buyers talking them down. The only question you need to ask yourself is what would be the maximum you are comfortable offering for the car, it’s been up some time and quite an unusual specification.

Clearly very little interest at its current price point, you can always make an offer and walk away if the numbers don’t add up for you.

Agreed. The OPC warranty is worth having, but there's a similar, cheaper car (albeit higher mileage) at Ashgood's. I do like silver and grey GT3s.

FWIW, people wanting comfort spec GT3 in general seem thin on the ground. I'd never criticise anyone for buying one if they fit their requirements and it's most definitely a buyer's market right now, so all power to you DjSki!

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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issue is resale, why spend £2.5k on recaro's when you can buy oem seats and up the value of the car, also you can sell the oem seats to offset the costs, if you fit after market you have to store the oem seats !!! you will have issues with coding, you have to buy 3rd party mounts, you void any chance of renewing a warranty.

the cars already on the cheaper end, buy it right £75k, spend £8k on new oem buckets, sell the olds seats for £2k, and up the value of your car to current >£85k values for a net cost of 3.5k ! over buying recaro's !

saying all that I would buy this one, it's got 2 years of normal GT3 miles in it over the Scottish car.
http://www.theoctanecollection.com/cars/porsche-91...


better colour
better spec by a country mile, very rare carbon pack and leather.
2/3 of the miles so 2 years use in hand over the other car
Not Scottish, always a bonus due to weather and salt.

although I would want a service on it and a set of GT3 tyres as part of the deal.

£79k again £75k offer or walk.

[GT4RS]

Agree this looks a better car than the silver one.

Crazy money mind for a sofa seat car.

Like others say, find cars you like and make firm offers. Proof of funds or funding will help to show you aren’t a window shopper.

Put what ever you do factor in depreciation into your thinking just incase the market adjusts, nothing worse than being the one who overpaid.

[DjSki]

I got a quote for new 997 GT3 buckets from Porsche....£12k plus vat. Just a little OTT.

[rrroro]

anonymous said:

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I did this to my non-CS 997.1 GT3, and the Recaro PP are a lot lighter than the OEM seats. I didnt pay anywhere near what the other poster said, I bought them on eBay at the time (perfect condition and within the FIA dates, not that this matter much for trackday use) for around £400 each, and I expect to get most of that back should I ever sell the car and return to OEM spec. I had the cushions retrimmed in red alcantara to brighten up the interior and to go with the rest of the alcantara interior retrim I did a few years back. Also, I didn't have any issues with the coding either, not sure what that comment was about. May have been to do with the seat airbags, but that wasnt an issue to code off. The Porsche approved used warranty point is valid though, but that goes for any changes you do to the car that moves it away from the spec it left the factory with

[Digga]

rrroro said:

The Porsche approved used warranty point is valid though, but that goes for any changes you do to the car that moves it away from the spec it left the factory with

In a way, the fact you can get warranty insurance (this is an underwritten policy, rather than a factory-backed warranty) is a curse as much as a blessing.

A case in point is the mesh grilles in front of the radiators on the 997.2 GT3; the 997.1 cars did not have these and, there fore, all three front radiators are far more likely to get damaged. I've fitted Zunsport aftermarket items to my 997.1 and this is just one reason why I won't be bothering with extended warranty. IME it's almost certain radiators will get full of rubbish at best, or damaged at worst, without the grilles, and will end up costing several hundreds of pounds, if no actually causing a breakdown.

[rrroro]

Digga said:

rrroro said:

The Porsche approved used warranty point is valid though, but that goes for any changes you do to the car that moves it away from the spec it left the factory with

In a way, the fact you can get warranty insurance (this is an underwritten policy, rather than a factory-backed warranty) is a curse as much as a blessing.

A case in point is the mesh grilles in front of the radiators on the 997.2 GT3; the 997.1 cars did not have these and, there fore, all three front radiators are far more likely to get damaged. I've fitted Zunsport aftermarket items to my 997.1 and this is just one reason why I won't be bothering with extended warranty. IME it's almost certain radiators will get full of rubbish at best, or damaged at worst, without the grilles, and will end up costing several hundreds of pounds, if no actually causing a breakdown.

I did the mesh grilles too, but I think my rads were already on the way out. No need to worry much about these cost-wise though, I had both side rads done a few months back for only about £350/400 from memory.

I renewed the warranty once or twice after it ran out, but haven't bothered for the last 5 or so years. People forget that any changes to the car will void that warranty / insurance policy - even if using Porsche parts - so fitting Porsche buckets will still void the warranty. Unless this has changed in recent times, but that was certainly the case a few years ago when I started modding my car

[Digga]

rrroro said:

Digga said:

rrroro said:

The Porsche approved used warranty point is valid though, but that goes for any changes you do to the car that moves it away from the spec it left the factory with

In a way, the fact you can get warranty insurance (this is an underwritten policy, rather than a factory-backed warranty) is a curse as much as a blessing.

A case in point is the mesh grilles in front of the radiators on the 997.2 GT3; the 997.1 cars did not have these and, there fore, all three front radiators are far more likely to get damaged. I've fitted Zunsport aftermarket items to my 997.1 and this is just one reason why I won't be bothering with extended warranty. IME it's almost certain radiators will get full of rubbish at best, or damaged at worst, without the grilles, and will end up costing several hundreds of pounds, if no actually causing a breakdown.

I did the mesh grilles too, but I think my rads were already on the way out. No need to worry much about these cost-wise though, I had both side rads done a few months back for only about £350/400 from memory.

I renewed the warranty once or twice after it ran out, but haven't bothered for the last 5 or so years. People forget that any changes to the car will void that warranty / insurance policy - even if using Porsche parts - so fitting Porsche buckets will still void the warranty. Unless this has changed in recent times, but that was certainly the case a few years ago when I started modding my car

I think the centre rad is more costly. The danger is that a stone strike punctures it while you're on the move and then causes other problems.

The other major change I made was to ditch the laughable, 20th century-tech Fisher Price PCM2 for something that actually has DAB, Nav and Bluetooth. Heresy I know, the Porsche 'original' brigade will hate me for it, but it makes life so much better and I think the cabin looks tidier without all those stupid great buttons too.

[n12maser]

Digga said:

In a way, the fact you can get warranty insurance (this is an underwritten policy, rather than a factory-backed warranty) is a curse as much as a blessing.

A case in point is the mesh grilles in front of the radiators on the 997.2 GT3; the 997.1 cars did not have these and, there fore, all three front radiators are far more likely to get damaged. I've fitted Zunsport aftermarket items to my 997.1 and this is just one reason why I won't be bothering with extended warranty. IME it's almost certain radiators will get full of rubbish at best, or damaged at worst, without the grilles, and will end up costing several hundreds of pounds, if no actually causing a breakdown.

Yep. If I had a 997 gt3 as a I'd also want to get the R&P put in from the 997 RS to get shorter ratios. Lot's of comments on here over the years from owners complaining that biblical speeds are needed to get up in the rev range for fun road driving, doesn't 2nd gear max out at like 84mph?

[rrroro]

Digga said:

rrroro said:

Digga said:

rrroro said:

The Porsche approved used warranty point is valid though, but that goes for any changes you do to the car that moves it away from the spec it left the factory with

In a way, the fact you can get warranty insurance (this is an underwritten policy, rather than a factory-backed warranty) is a curse as much as a blessing.

A case in point is the mesh grilles in front of the radiators on the 997.2 GT3; the 997.1 cars did not have these and, there fore, all three front radiators are far more likely to get damaged. I've fitted Zunsport aftermarket items to my 997.1 and this is just one reason why I won't be bothering with extended warranty. IME it's almost certain radiators will get full of rubbish at best, or damaged at worst, without the grilles, and will end up costing several hundreds of pounds, if no actually causing a breakdown.

I did the mesh grilles too, but I think my rads were already on the way out. No need to worry much about these cost-wise though, I had both side rads done a few months back for only about £350/400 from memory.

I renewed the warranty once or twice after it ran out, but haven't bothered for the last 5 or so years. People forget that any changes to the car will void that warranty / insurance policy - even if using Porsche parts - so fitting Porsche buckets will still void the warranty. Unless this has changed in recent times, but that was certainly the case a few years ago when I started modding my car

I think the centre rad is more costly. The danger is that a stone strike punctures it while you're on the move and then causes other problems.

The other major change I made was to ditch the laughable, 20th century-tech Fisher Price PCM2 for something that actually has DAB, Nav and Bluetooth. Heresy I know, the Porsche 'original' brigade will hate me for it, but it makes life so much better and I think the cabin looks tidier without all those stupid great buttons too.

I ditched mine too and didnt replace it with anything lol. Well, I did, I swapped out the PCM and now just have the little cubby hole shelf thingy. That was well worthwhile, I know not having any music/radio in the car isnt for everybody, but for me it's best sub-£100 change I've made. It updated the cabin and has also made the car feel more focussed and purposeful, no distractions.

[Digga]

I just like the convenience of (really good, Garmin) Nav and Bluetooth hands-free. The DAB and iPod connectivity are secondary and, as I didn't upgrade the speakers, are frankly sub-par compared to my last van, let alone the current one, but at least you can listen to what you want, even if the sound quality's st.

[RC1]

DjSki said:

What do you think would be a fair bid for the Glasgow car? I'm a big fan of GT Silver.

I agree that a CS car is the one to have, but the difference in price is unlikely to move down compared to a CS, will always be there.... and as people say a pair of pole positions isn't a lot of money and might almost be cooler......and I don't need a cage...just looks cool unless you are hammering around the Nurburgring at sub 8min pace....which I wont be.

if i was going to show my hand it would begin with a 6. youd need to value the warranty though ie whatever you pay will always be 2k more than one that doesnt have the warranty. i want a warranty on the one i buy so its important to me but others care less about it.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

SignalGruen said:

Funnily enough I was also speaking to the owner circa 2010 when it was up in Scotland - was priced around £35k I think. Conversed with the owner via email but then he decided to keep it and withdrew it from sale. If you're interested, assuming it hasn't changed hands since last June, I can put you in touch with someone who knows the owner.

Many thanks SG, I’m not considering dipping a toe in the GT3 market this year however.

Re warranty; the aforementioned 997.1RS that I drive has been worth the warranty-nothing serious but lots of little things that would have added up to way more than what it cost.

It’s low mileage but had been, if not laid up then very sparingly used over the previous 5 years or so.

Suddenly being put back into serious use has really shown up those niggly little faults and has covered itself in the two year period according to my mate.

[RC1]

words escape me....

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


i wonder if he even bothered to look at the price of similar cars before placing the ad

[Cunno]

RC1 said:

words escape me....

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


i wonder if he even bothered to look at the price of similar cars before placing the ad

Don't know why, low mileage, rare colour, bit like the viper green Gen 1 sold quickly. In fact willing to bet a pint that it sells quicker than you take to buy one?

[Porsche911R]

Cunno said:

Don't know why, low mileage, rare colour, bit like the viper green Gen 1 sold quickly. In fact willing to bet a pint that it sells quicker than you take to buy one?

I doubt it will sell at those levels, it been photoshopped to look like VooDoo, for the true colour take a look a the centre console :-p.
Riviera is not a great colour really in real life on new cars, imo of course.
I went to look at one at Silverstone A 997 C2S and made a quick exit.

VooDoo blue is a nice colour though ! Shame the buyer of that will not get what he expects in the pictures !

Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 16th February 13:54

[GT4RS]

Interesting car and a colour which wouldn’t be loved by many.

I would suggest his price is more of a speculative asking price rather than really interested in selling.

Whoever buys this car would have the issue of not being able to use it due to the asking price and mileage.

Is it worth the best part of 35k more than the 997.2 gt3 re sold by an OPC in the last month, .....definitely not and the OPC car for 95k has a Porsche 2 year warranty!

[DjSki]

GT4RS said:

Interesting car and a colour which wouldn’t be loved by many.

I would suggest his price is more of a speculative asking price rather than really interested in selling.

Whoever buys this car would have the issue of not being able to use it due to the asking price and mileage.

Is it worth the best part of 35k more than the 997.2 gt3 re sold by an OPC in the last month, .....definitely not and the OPC car for 95k has a Porsche 2 year warranty!

The Guildford OPC CS car at £95k, was c31k miles, do you know how long it was on at c.£100k before they dropped it to £95k?

[RC1]

Cunno said:

Don't know why, low mileage, rare colour, bit like the viper green Gen 1 sold quickly. In fact willing to bet a pint that it sells quicker than you take to buy one?

the viper green one that sold at opc wilmslow was up for 91.5 with a mega spec when other cs were around 85 (eg the guards red sor at jzm which also sold within 2 weeks)

the best things come to those who wait dont you know!

[Cunno]

RC1 said:

Cunno said:

Don't know why, low mileage, rare colour, bit like the viper green Gen 1 sold quickly. In fact willing to bet a pint that it sells quicker than you take to buy one?

the viper green one that sold at opc wilmslow was up for 91.5 with a mega spec when other cs were around 85 (eg the guards red sor at jzm which also sold within 2 weeks)

the best things come to those who wait dont you know!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-997/porsche-911-997-gt-coupe-gt3-2dr/9440979

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

All similar priced, time will tell I never thought the viper car would sell but it did