991.2 gt3 - when is right to buy

[PJI]

Cheib said:

It’s always been priced at the top end of the range...to command that price a car seems to need PCCB’s

Decals prob not to most people’s tastes, some people may not realise they aren’t paint( (amazed they haven’t taken them off by now)

Red interior doesn’t go with Miami

The OPC fitted the decals when it went up for sale.

[Sandy59]

hunter 66 said:

I would always spec Steel brakes as like to use it on track not the Kings road , and prefer the feel . Yes the wheels get dirty but the car wash deals with that when cleaning the car ....no other benefits really in my hands as not a good enough driver to notice the unsprung weight .Easy to replace when worn at low cost

I'd agree with that logic

[Digga]

Sandy59 said:

hunter 66 said:

I would always spec Steel brakes as like to use it on track not the Kings road , and prefer the feel . Yes the wheels get dirty but the car wash deals with that when cleaning the car ....no other benefits really in my hands as not a good enough driver to notice the unsprung weight .Easy to replace when worn at low cost

I'd agree with that logic

And the bit in bold, I'm glad he's said that because if he's not good enough to notice then I certainly won't!

I've just removed the PCCB discs off my 997.1 GT3 and am looking forward to mashing the brake pedal on track days, safe in the knowledge that a new set of Alcon discs will not break the bank. PCCBs now stashed carefully in storage!

[isaldiri]

hunter 66 said:

no other benefits really in my hands as not a good enough driver to notice the unsprung weight

that might put a bit of a spanner in the works for some of the claims about 'unsprung weight' made here.....

[Digga]

isaldiri said:

hunter 66 said:

no other benefits really in my hands as not a good enough driver to notice the unsprung weight

that might put a bit of a spanner in the works for some of the claims about 'unsprung weight' made here.....

I wasn't going to bring that old chestnut up, but since you've spare me the trouble.

[isaldiri]

Digga said:

I wasn't going to bring that old chestnut up, but since you've spare me the trouble.

Petevb on rennlist who's an awfully sensible chap did a few calculations on this stuff and that I thought was quite illuminating. The rotational impact on inertia ie weight difference x distance from centre of rotation of ceramics was not much more than changing from worn tyres to brand new ones - and funnily enough no one ever goes on about how changing to new tyres makes the car have a big negative difference to handling from before....

[Digga]

isaldiri said:

Digga said:

I wasn't going to bring that old chestnut up, but since you've spare me the trouble.

Petevb on rennlist who's an awfully sensible chap did a few calculations on this stuff and that I thought was quite illuminating. The rotational impact on inertia ie weight difference x distance from centre of rotation of ceramics was not much more than changing from worn tyres to brand new ones - and funnily enough no one ever goes on about how changing to new tyres makes the car have a big negative difference to handling from before....

I definitely can feel a difference in initial 'bite', but the new discs went on in December and I suspect things might be different with a bit more ambient temperature and some heat generated on track. We'll see at Oulton...

The received wisdom of doing a cooling down lap is fine in principle, but hazardous in practice on a busy, live circuit. Your become a moving hazard, and it's not really on IMHO to expect either the marshals or other (enthusiastic amateur) drivers to deal with that situation.

[Taffy66]

Digga said:

I definitely can feel a difference in initial 'bite', but the new discs went on in December and I suspect things might be different with a bit more ambient temperature and some heat generated on track. We'll see at Oulton...

The received wisdom of doing a cooling down lap is fine in principle, but hazardous in practice on a busy, live circuit. Your become a moving hazard, and it's not really on IMHO to expect either the marshals or other (enthusiastic amateur) drivers to deal with that situation.

Its probably my GT3 i'll be bringing to Oulton, however as i'll be going slower than everybody else i doubt very much that i'll need to press the brake pedal. This means that my precious PCCBs will be spared any punishment..
Another plus will be no need to do cooling down laps, as all my laps will have a PCCB cooling effect..

[Digga]

Taffy, I think (although someone may correct me on this) the latest PCCBs are a lot more durable and capable than the earlier generation anyway. So I doubt you'd have to worry anywhere near as much.

[terryb]

Sandy59 said:

hunter 66 said:

I would always spec Steel brakes as like to use it on track not the Kings road , and prefer the feel . Yes the wheels get dirty but the car wash deals with that when cleaning the car ....no other benefits really in my hands as not a good enough driver to notice the unsprung weight .Easy to replace when worn at low cost

I'd agree with that logic

Each to their own, but I prefer the feel and performance of PCCB on track versus Steel in the 991 GT3 cars - made a noticeable difference at the Ring on numerous trackdays and my cars have always been used well on track. I had a 991.1 GT3 on steels and my subsequent .1RS with PCCB was massively better - so much so that it made late braking a scary proposition, lol...

Thankfully, I've not had any issues with PCCB reliability and never had to fork out for new ones - fingers crossed that fact doesn't change in the future

[Digga]

terryb said:

Thankfully, I've not had any issues with PCCB reliability and never had to fork out for new ones - fingers crossed that fact doesn't change in the future

Yes, the newer ones are far better. Your car would certainly have had the very latest and best!

Still, ****ing dear do when they finally do need replacing.

[Wilmslowboy]

A few questions - thanks

1. What was the base price of a 991.2 GT3 before any bits (UK)?
The pdf on page 3 of this thread, suggests £93k, but I have also seen £101k?

2. What were the other, 'year one' OTR charges?
3. Are the options costs (as listed on page 3) inc VAT?

I've seen a mid-spec a car (about £12k of bits), trying to work out what list was (inc OTR charges like year 1 TAX etc.)

thanks

[imycool]

All prices plus vat

[franki68]

Wilmslowboy said:

A few questions - thanks

1. What was the base price of a 991.2 GT3 before any bits (UK)?
The pdf on page 3 of this thread, suggests £93k, but I have also seen £101k?

2. What were the other, 'year one' OTR charges?
3. Are the options costs (as listed on page 3) inc VAT?

I've seen a mid-spec a car (about £12k of bits), trying to work out what list was (inc OTR charges like year 1 TAX etc.)

thanks

Base price was 110k inc vat

[isaldiri]

terryb said:

I had a 991.1 GT3 on steels and my subsequent .1RS with PCCB was massively better - so much so that it made late braking a scary proposition, lol...

Thankfully, I've not had any issues with PCCB reliability and never had to fork out for new ones - fingers crossed that fact doesn't change in the future

And you don't think the greater mechanical grip from bigger tyres/contact patch had anything to do with the braking advantage? If you're triggering abs, you're tyre limited not brake limited.

And for people who continually swap cars for the latest and greatest then yes obviously ceramic rotor wear wouldn't be an issue if you're in and out of the cars in a year or less unless you're always on track....

[FredBasset]

On separate ocassion's I've back to back tested a 991.1 with PCCB against mine with steels and then mine with a 991.1RS on PCCB.

Both times were spirited drives on country roads in dry, warm conditions and you could tell the difference in braking power of the .1RS. However I couldn't detect much if any difference in the .1 poverty spec vanilla GT3's.

Actually driving the RS was interesting, it was so much better in terms of road holding and braking. The ride was better than I expected too, the only negative to the RS was I liked the 9k GT3 engine a little better with more of a rush through the last thousand revs.

When I bought mine it would have cost 110k more to get a GT3RS, there isn't 110k's worth of difference but if I could change into one for say 20k I'd have an RS like a shot. Very lucky people who have them and good luck to them too :-)

Regards
Fred

[foxsasha]

Digga said:

I definitely can feel a difference in initial 'bite', but the new discs went on in December and I suspect things might be different with a bit more ambient temperature and some heat generated on track. We'll see at Oulton...

The received wisdom of doing a cooling down lap is fine in principle, but hazardous in practice on a busy, live circuit. Your become a moving hazard, and it's not really on IMHO to expect either the marshals or other (enthusiastic amateur) drivers to deal with that situation.

I always do at least a half lap cool down at a much reduced speed, full lap at the shorter circuits. Have never had an issue with other traffic. Just need to use your mirrors, be aware of approaching vehicles and behave accordingly.

[Porsche911R]

Cheib said:

Too 555 have a very high spec white manual CS for £155k. Be interesting to see how they get on with it.

https://www.top555.co.uk/stock/details/Porsche-911...

sold in a about 3 seconds.

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

Cheib said:

Too 555 have a very high spec white manual CS for £155k. Be interesting to see how they get on with it.

https://www.top555.co.uk/stock/details/Porsche-911...

sold in a about 3 seconds.

You’ll be giving the Kleenex a good work out tonight then.

[gtsralph]

foxsasha said:

I always do at least a half lap cool down at a much reduced speed, full lap at the shorter circuits. Have never had an issue with other traffic. Just need to use your mirrors, be aware of approaching vehicles and behave accordingly.

Normal speed round corners and steady on the straights so cars can get past with minimal delay.