Final Batch of 3RSs and Speedsters - Do They Have the PF?

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Gameface said:

I have no idea if you are right or Juno is right, but if that's the best pic you can provide of 'your' car, it doesn't help your cause.

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Gameface said:

I have no idea if you are right or Juno is right, but if that's the best pic you can provide of 'your' car, it doesn't help your cause.

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Juno said:

Park Lane,I’m just around the corner Hamilton Place,I’ll pop round see if it’s still there!

Off Sloane Square if you would like to “pop round”. Don’t expect a warm reception d1ckhe8d but am happy to have some words with you.

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MDL111 said:

Guys some of you should probably put your keyboards away for a while - I don’t get all the anymosity on here - it just leads to lots of valuable contributors having disappeared over the last couple of years ...

I have asked numerous times to keep this thread on topic and in a positive manner. Unfortunately, Barry, known here as Juno, needs to watch the way he behaves.

London is a small town and everyone should conduct themselves with respect and dignity.

I am happy to take this thread back in the right direction, but Barry please behave in a respectful manner.

I believe in forums like this and being a UK forum we have a lot to learn from one another.

I will share any info I get on the GPF and the Speedster as and when I get it.

Edited by BrntRubber on Tuesday 9th April 22:22

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Mutema said:

BrntRubber said:

I didn’t order blue, that’s why I had the renders made and why it isn’t the pic in my first post. I went with a colour that compliments the CF and has Porsche heritage, Grey Black.

Edited by BrntRubber on Tuesday 9th April 00:07

This was quite a hard thread to read with all the flying handbags.

I hope you won't be put off posting a picture of it in 7A1 by the thread. I have done PTS a few times and it's one of Porsche's finest colours and has a duality to it in shade/direct sun which I think is superb. Assume you've gone for Pale Gold wheels a la 997.2 RS?

Hi
Thank you for the constructive post.

I was under immense time pressure to finalise my build. I was told there was one PTS sold on Friday afternoon and the build had to be finalised by Monday.

I used the guys at NS2 for the renders and they were amazing help, working over the weekend to help me out as a returning customer. I can’t recommend Anthony enough!

I had never seen Grey Black on a car, in the flesh, only on a sample spray, but I liked the sample and liked that it had Porsche heritage. The choice was also supported by some of the guys on the Touring owners chat.

The above combined by hours of PTS searching on Instagram and other forums boiled the shortlist down to Carbon Steel Metallic and Seal Grey Metallic as the only metallic colours (later confirmed seal Metallic is not available on 991s, but flat seal grey is approved) and then Nardo Grey, Grigio Telesto and Grey Black as the flat greys each one being darker than the previous.

I finally settled on Grey Black with the mag wheels painted the same colour (white gold) as on the GT2 RS vs the 3RS Aurum. If it gets rejected by Porsche, due to it being exclusive to the 2RS, I will have them sprayed after delivery either the exact colour of the 997 or 2RS. Nothing has bounced back so far so fingers crossed.

I also debated having RS 4.0 in the matching gold on the side blades of the wing but that it might be over the top.

Funny enough, a couple days after the build slot locked, I was at JZM getting a rear bypass fitted on my touring and they had a 997 3RS grey black on gold. It looked great and I think against all the carbon it will look even more epic.

Edited by BrntRubber on Tuesday 9th April 22:44

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RSVP911 said:

Grey black is a fantastic colour and will look awesome with the tonally contrasting carbon . I’d call out the 4.0l on the side blades too - I’d also make the GT3RS side decals W gold : Rick as Highgate House can sort this for you : enjoy

Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 9th April 23:17

Thank you

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Juno said:

BrntRubber said:

Juno said:

Park Lane,I’m just around the corner Hamilton Place,I’ll pop round see if it’s still there!

Off Sloane Square if you would like to “pop round”. Don’t expect a warm reception d1ckhe8d but am happy to have some words with you.

Anyway as you put it let’s keep this on track,nice colour for a GT2RS,what stitching did you got for on a silver car? I’m never sure if it should be yellow or silver?

Thank you for compliment on the colour.

The 2RS has the bordello interior so I went red stitching including ac vents covered in leather with red stitching and bent slats painted gloss black.

Touring has yellow stitching on black exterior

3RS will have grey stitching including leather covered vents with grey stitching and gloss black slats.

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APOLO1 said:

For what its worth i have spoken to Bntr a few times when were specking up 2Rs. Happy to say that he's a very nice chap, and that he has all the cars he's talked about on here.

Thank you Apolo1. I appreciate it.

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Now that I have calmed down and chilled out, it makes me laugh how much has come from a thread I started about a particle filter.

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MDL111 said:

am looking forward to seeing the finished car.

Fascinating times, when a relatively niche product limited to potentially as many as 1,948 units can be - probably multiple times - oversubscribed

I agree and am very excited also.

I suspect the demand will be reduced to some degree if the indicative pricing I have been given is correct.

It’s hard to justify a £250k price tag for a touring convertible with some cool styling. I was told it would have the same engine performace as the RS but don’t see how with GPF and no side intakes. If it has the same performance as the touring at that price then that’s even more crazy.

We will know soon enough!

In terms of rarity here are some interesting stats:
Production Numbers
(First number worldwide and second number North America):

2019 Speedster - 1,948 / 685

2019 GT3RS - 4,740 / 1,671

18/19 GT2RS - 3,700 / 1,292

18/19 GT3 - 9,541 / 3,367 of which Touring 3,000 \ 1000

2016 911R - 991 / 323

2016 GT3RS - 4,621 / 1,529

14-16 GT3 - 6,459 / 2,133

If anyone knows UK production numbers please insert it.

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MDL111 said:

thank you, fascinating - esp the GT2 RS - didn't think they would build that many

Compare those figures to the 996 GT3/RS or even 997 generation cars. I think the GT2s were only a little more than 1,000 per gen (plus the 997 2 RS) and I think there were only something like 300-350 CS cars. I think there are fewer 996.1 GT3s (and quite a bit fewer CS cars) than the planned Speedster production run.

I guess the cars have become more useable and demand went through the roof on the 991.

250k does not sound outrageous given the GT2 RS was very cheap in the UK and they might just move the price closer to being in line with the rest of Europe

Pricing a touring convertibles base price over a fully loaded 2RS and double the touring seems high for what the car is.

Keep in mind the 2RS is a rocketship by anyone’s standards and very little out these comes close with nothing close at its list price.

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Mad Scientist said:

Sir Michael Caine lives round there. Pretty sure it’s him.

My real name is Bruce and I have a long-standing relationship with Alfred, I mean Sir Caine. He is like a father to me.

On a serious note, I never meant to come across
as arrogant or bragging about the cars I have owned or am getting. I simply value the opinions of enthusiasts on specific forums that are well informed such as yourselves.

Let’s face it, I can’t ring up a friend who knows little to nothing about Porsche to discuss this GBF or PTS etc. I did try and all I got was “go grey” or “why not buy a Ferrari instead”...

I like to invest the time and energy into getting my specs just right and why wouldn’t I try and tap into the vast amount of knowledge on forums like this.

Why do I get these cars from my dealer?
Simple truth is I love cars and am a good long-standing loyal customer of Porsche and my dealership.

Beyond the above please respect my right to some privacy.

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Juno said:

I’m not sure about Brnt keeping anything to a minimum as he’s clearly indicated on here.

GT3RS.2 batch 1
GT32RS.2 WP PTS batch 2
GT2RS
GT3 Touring
Speedster On Order

Hardly discreet or minimalistic!

I wonder if his wife reads this?



especially if his wife reads this! Don’t forget

My wife does not own any trousers Lol

Edited by Juno on Wednesday 10th April 19:40

I traded the first batch 3RS in for the chance at a PTS WP as I love the 3RS and am very excited at the thought of putting a full Dundon exhaust or JCR exhaust on her, hence my question about the PF. I much prefer the 3RS to the 2RS for street driving, sound and my abilities on track. There is a minimum amount of time I like to be in the pedal to feel satisfied and in the 2RS I can’t have that on the street.

I have driven the Touring more than any other GT car as I love it’s under the radar stealth persona and the rear bypass really woke her voice up. I even found a company in Germany to put rear seats in the Touring with isofix so I could enjoy her with the kids, but I would have to buy folding buckets in matching stitching along with the hefty price for the seat install, which made me think twice.

Touring is absolutely awesome, hence why I have high hopes for the Speedster. A glorious exhaust fitted combined with top down driving at 9k would be hard to beat!

Also FYI, I am 75% sure Heritage package is one colour combo only and can’t be done with PTS. We will know for sure soon.

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Juno said:

Desert Dragon said:

Juno said:

MDL111 said:

did like the apology, not sure about the rest (not that that is in any way relevant btw)

in any case I can fully understand why he would sell some of these cars if it enables him to buy a CGT - I would do the same if I was in his position. i assume he "earned" the ability to buy these cars by being a good customer

alas I think it is a nice lesson, that just because one has not been informed does not mean other people are in the same position - so maybe trust a little more what other people post on here. esp given there is no need for them to share information with us, look s a favour even if not all details are divulged immediately

MDL if I had a 10 Mil house in Sloane Sq I don’t think I’d need to look in the biscuit tin to find a wad to buy a CGT

Sad that you haven’t learned anything from your embarrassment.

What BR’s house is worth, who he is, and or his financial situation is f all to do with you. Why not pipe down for a while and go and reflect?

You and more than a few others have not come across well with your complete lack of self awareness, rudeness, superiority complex and general sense of smug entitlement. Perhaps you’re a nice person but it certainly isn’t coming across that way in your posts on this particular thread.

You and others seem to delight in taking the p out of others and upsetting them.

I knew BR was the real deal as soon as he posted because I took his word as gospel. Half glass full people are in my experience generally more successful in life than half glass empties - and I’m not judging success in monetary terms.

I know billionaires who’s wives get knocked up by the tennis coach. I also know Post office workers with 2.4 children who sit round the table with their families every night for supper and have meaningful loving life lasting relationships with their wife and kids.

Who’s the successful person Juno? I have a feeling you’d choose to be the billionaire. Just sayin.

Now toodle off for a while and be a good chap. You’ve definitely not had any humble pie so please stick yourself in the PH self regulatory sin bin as other equally obtuse PH members have if you don’t mind terribly.

Thanks for the life lesson but alas I have zero interest in anything you have to offer or your ridiculous analogies!

Anyway as you are obviously so close to Brnt maybe you could explain it would help everyone if accurate information was placed,contradictory posts do not help!

Also to Lord it in everyone’s face that Porsche give me every car on a whim and I’m quite happy to publicaly quote on here that I’ll flip them in a heart beat to facilitate buying a usedcar IMO is quite distasteful to those that really struggle to obtain the product at all.

Sure if that’s want he wants to do and blag it to the World,good for him but just expect a bit of rebuff and suck it up,don’t go crying that you’ve benn offended,get over it!

I’m not sure you will get the point but the points been made!!!

Edited by Juno on Thursday 11th April 10:25

Juno,

When is enough, enough man!?

Please kindly refrain from this antagonistic posting. You misconstrue so many things to justify an argument and this just isn’t needed.

I don’t even know Desert Dragon, but he seems like a good guy.

I never said i already ordered the Speedster, I said I was getting an allocation with a rough production window.

I never said I was going to flip my cars. For your peace of mind I have never flipped a single car. Any car I didn’t want to keep went back to my dealer after a substantial period of ownership and after the “craze” had died down. If I wanted to sell every car I owned to buy X car why should that upset you or anyone else!?

I would love a CGT and was honest in saying that to make it happen I would likely need to let all the 991s go. Before you accused me of bragging and flaunting, isn’t this the exact opposite?

If i were to flip a car, I would lose my relationship with my dealer and the Porsche brand, which I value. For example if i had flipped my 2RS right when I got it that would have covered 75% of a CGT, but I didn’t.

Despite all the headache, I am sharing information and trying to give back to the forum that has helped me. You are making this painful and unpleasant.

Again, more love and less hate/trolling please Juno. We all love cars and let’s just be cool with one another and talk about our passion bud.

Edited by BrntRubber on Thursday 11th April 11:31

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hunter 66 said:

BR maybe a pint at Quite local ? ( also in Royal Borough ) sometime , lucky to have a few interesting Porsches and had some fun times in them ..

It would be my pleasure. Send me a pm and let’s make it happen buddy.

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DomT87 said:

Wow what a thread. BR you have the patience of a saint.

FWIW I don't know if my 3RS has a PF or not, expected delivery is sometime in autumn.

To be fair I've also not really enquired in much detail, I've been too busy flipping cars and washing my windscreens with vintage champagne.

Thanks Dom

Porsche are keeping very quiet on this issue. Let’s hope it’s a no for PF, so we can enjoy a better sound, lighter weight and more performance. I think it will have the PF but time will soon tell.

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Juno, I am fed up and done.

Desert Dragon, Taffy, MDL111, Apolo and any other good guys on this forum, message me anytime with questions, to go for drives or to meet up for drinks and chat about cars.

Edited by BrntRubber on Thursday 11th April 15:31

(Edit to comply with posting rules)

Edited by Scrump on Thursday 11th April 17:47

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MDL111 said:

I replied to your Ferrari thread. Happy to meet up for a beer next time I am in London - cars and my dog are about my only conversation topics, so I don't have many friends .... I will let you know when I am in town next

Sounds like a plan... I will look forward to it.

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robgt3 said:

By my reckoning 23 used Gen 2 Rs's have now been sold since we bought ours about 3 months ago. There are none for sale on Autotrader and only one on the Porsche Used Car Site. Rumours of restrictive PPF filters are growing.

Very interesting observation Rob.

I wonder if this is due to PF or due to no new supply. I would suspect no new supply as if we don’t know about PF guys others likely don’t. I could be wrong though.

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Cheib said:

I don’t see how they will fit a PPF and it not having an impact on the exhaust engine noise. 992 is noticeably quieter than 991.2 and having compared a 718 Boxster fitted with PPF to my wife’s which isn’t there is a noticeable difference.

I wouldn’t have sold a first batch car without knowing these details to be honest. Personally I’d rather have a first batch car than a second batch WP PTS car if it doesn’t give the aural thrill of the first batch car. Be interesting to see which are more sort after in the future.

Same here... I am hoping I did the right thing letting the first batch go... car was epic!