Final Batch of 3RSs and Speedsters - Do They Have the PF?
Discussion
anonymous said:
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Yes let’s wait and see. Info is not consistent. Now I wonder if we will even know when we receive our cars? We will have, for those who had first and second batches, to compare our IPhone sound takes windows down under the few tunnels we go back and forth under when the break in period is over!
Gitana991 said:
anonymous said:
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Yes let’s wait and see. Info is not consistent. Now I wonder if we will even know when we receive our cars? We will have, for those who had first and second batches, to compare our IPhone sound takes windows down under the few tunnels we go back and forth under when the break in period is over!BrntRubber said:
If it is producing the same power but less sound, just fit a side delete.
If i've read things correctly the side mufflers have been entirely replaced by the nasty GPFs..The only way to release more noise would be to replace the offending GPFs with side deletes..Possible ECU,Insurance and Warranty issues and breach of the new WLTP regs..Taffy66 said:
BrntRubber said:
If it is producing the same power but less sound, just fit a side delete.
If i've read things correctly the side mufflers have been entirely replaced by the nasty GPFs..The only way to release more noise would be to replace the offending GPFs with side deletes..Possible ECU,Insurance and Warranty issues and breach of the new WLTP regs..Clearly there are loads of 18 yr olds driving around with exhausts that are illegal but different time of life etc......
Taffy66 said:
BrntRubber said:
If it is producing the same power but less sound, just fit a side delete.
If i've read things correctly the side mufflers have been entirely replaced by the nasty GPFs..The only way to release more noise would be to replace the offending GPFs with side deletes..Possible ECU,Insurance and Warranty issues and breach of the new WLTP regs..The Speedster, which has the PF, has a single muffler which could be upgraded, as I understand it.
I believe the 3RS will have at least one upgradable component ... headers, side mufflers or center muffler.
BrntRubber said:
I am almost positive there will be an easy way to up the volume to where to should be.
The Speedster, which has the PF, has a single muffler which could be upgraded, as I understand it.
I believe the 3RS will have at least one upgradable component ... headers, side mufflers or center muffler.
As i already have a JCR Titanium centre muffler bypass on my GT3 i'm hoping it'll fit on my RS..It does fit on the first batch RS, however i have strong suspicions that the GPFs will get in its way on my second batch RS.The Speedster, which has the PF, has a single muffler which could be upgraded, as I understand it.
I believe the 3RS will have at least one upgradable component ... headers, side mufflers or center muffler.
Time will tell..
DT398 said:
You are a bit miffed that your forthcoming RS isn't going to feature something that you included yourself with a big leap of logic and some wild speculation based on a couple of posts on the internet? You haven't even got it yet and you are already disappointed?
As above, nobody knows yet but if you had to put a tenner on one of the following for an exisitng model of car, many of which are already in use and on the market, would you got for:
1. Same engine with a filter and a remap to maintain the power with a slightly quieter exhaust in order to meet the regs.
or
2. Massively re-worked engine with ITBs that's so awesome Porsche is calling the Gen3 engine and has spent a tonne of money on in order to satisfy a few petrol heads on the internet and meet the regs.
Great, some common sense at last...!As above, nobody knows yet but if you had to put a tenner on one of the following for an exisitng model of car, many of which are already in use and on the market, would you got for:
1. Same engine with a filter and a remap to maintain the power with a slightly quieter exhaust in order to meet the regs.
or
2. Massively re-worked engine with ITBs that's so awesome Porsche is calling the Gen3 engine and has spent a tonne of money on in order to satisfy a few petrol heads on the internet and meet the regs.
1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
IREvans said:
Great, some common sense at last...!
1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
I was thinking the same on 3). And yet it bothers me! I think it is difficult to be rationale when it comes to ownership of these cars! I was just telling my teenage son, who was trying to make (in a pretend world!) a rationale decision between a GTR Nismo and a GT 3 RS, that it was almost a waste of time to try to be sensible when you are in the game of buying such cars! So I suppose as much as we are blessed to have a batch 2 991.2 3RS, we will feel a bit disappointed if they are less noisy and heavier! And being silly in the process!1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
Gitana991 said:
I was thinking the same on 3). And yet it bothers me! I think it is difficult to be rationale when it comes to ownership of these cars! I was just telling my teenage son, who was trying to make (in a pretend world!) a rationale decision between a GTR Nismo and a GT 3 RS, that it was almost a waste of time to try to be sensible when you are in the game of buying such cars! So I suppose as much as we are blessed to have a batch 2 991.2 3RS, we will feel a bit disappointed if they are less noisy and heavier! And being silly in the process!
True...Apologies though, I missed this one...
4. Can anyone actually tell the difference between a car that weighs 1,420Kg and one that weighs 1,430Kg (I can't)
Gitana991 said:
I was thinking the same on 3). And yet it bothers me! I think it is difficult to be rationale when it comes to ownership of these cars! I was just telling my teenage son, who was trying to make (in a pretend world!) a rationale decision between a GTR Nismo and a GT 3 RS, that it was almost a waste of time to try to be sensible when you are in the game of buying such cars! So I suppose as much as we are blessed to have a batch 2 991.2 3RS, we will feel a bit disappointed if they are less noisy and heavier! And being silly in the process!
That's very well put..! This thread as its title suggests is purely a speculative and fun way of discussing what effect the GPF will have on the RS..At the end of the day whatever the result none of the lucky ones are going to cancel their RS order.It sure beats talking about Brexit or the unpredictable weather..
I'll be selling my 991.2GT3 before taking the RS so i'll be very interested how much of an upgrade £57K buys in what are two basically very similar cars..
I also have a teenage son and since getting an RS allocation we both enjoy speccing it,even if we disagree on the Mag rims colour.
None of those things may bother you IREvans, and that's great, but they sure as hell would bother me. As with a lot of things, the finer details really matter to some people. For example, given the choice I'd take a batch 1 car over a batch 2 version (even if it had the Weissach Pack).
Neither can I. But I know. These cars address the passion and irrational thinking and feelings in us I would think. This is why they are so special to us. And I suppose Porsche wouldn’t have delayed the second batch if it wasn’t trying to address what, on the paper, is indeed totally imperceptible to many owners of GT3 RS. If the world was rationale, I suppose all GT3 RS would be ready for scrape yard cars having been tracked to the limit day and day. And most of us on this forum would drive a 992 C4S (although it doesn’t sound as good as the 991.1 C4S and is heavier...).
Twinfan said:
None of those things may bother you IREvans, and that's great, but they sure as hell would bother me. As with a lot of things, the finer details really matter to some people. For example, given the choice I'd take a batch 1 car over a batch 2 version (even if it had the Weissach Pack).
Weissach Pack saves weight and wasn’t available in batch 1Mag wheels save weight and weren’t available in batch 1
Exhaust options will be available to lighten up and make her sing.
Lastly, taxes will be introduced on higher emissions cars as the years pass so this could be a blessing in the future.
Can’t wait for batch 2
IREvans said:
Great, some common sense at last...!
1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
And yet to the ‘Sons of Attwood’ this is devastating news, how dare Stuttgart be so inconsiderate in not consulting these non-executive, acronym obsessed ‘bored’ members.1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
Your forgot the national disgrace of the lack of ITB’s too, which seems to be giving the SOA some IBS as a NCO instead.
Never fear, a current non WP owner is always close at hand to smugly declare his thinly veiled delight that the potential custodians may not be able to hear this castrated, excuse for an engine, unless they turn down Gardeners Question Time when parking as conspicuously as possible outside the local Costa.
A ‘grip’ here is called for, and not string back gloved one.
IREvans said:
Great, some common sense at last...!
1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
+11. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
Geoffrey 321 said:
IREvans said:
Great, some common sense at last...!
1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
+11. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
Robbo66 said:
IREvans said:
Great, some common sense at last...!
1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
And yet to the ‘Sons of Attwood’ this is devastating news, how dare Stuttgart be so inconsiderate in not consulting these non-executive, acronym obsessed ‘bored’ members.1. Who cares if it comes with a GPF (I don't)
2. Who can actually tell the difference in driving a 520bhp car against one with 510Bhp (I couldn't)
3. Who can actually hear the difference between a car producing 95dB at 6,000rpm against one producing 92dB (I couldn't)
Your forgot the national disgrace of the lack of ITB’s too, which seems to be giving the SOA some IBS as a NCO instead.
Never fear, a current non WP owner is always close at hand to smugly declare his thinly veiled delight that the potential custodians may not be able to hear this castrated, excuse for an engine, unless they turn down Gardeners Question Time when parking as conspicuously as possible outside the local Costa.
A ‘grip’ here is called for, and not string back gloved one.
I have watched a few vids of people driving these cars around the ring etc,in full automatic,its quite scary.
Itb are not best for road cars,let alone emmisions.
Twinfan said:
None of those things may bother you IREvans, and that's great, but they sure as hell would bother me. As with a lot of things, the finer details really matter to some people. For example, given the choice I'd take a batch 1 car over a batch 2 version (even if it had the Weissach Pack).
But, PTS, Weissach pack and Mg wheels were not available on batch 1 RS, so its not a fair comparison.....?Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff