Carrera GT 12 year engine out service (pic heavy)

[bolidemichael]

Yes, ~£40k makes more sense for the level of detail (pun unintended) that you demand.

The investment in maintaining absolute certainty of reliability would also allow me to rest easy and just enjoy it, too. After all, it's a vehicle for pleasure (double entendre intended!).

Happy motoring and enjoy the road trip!

[JPCGT]

stefan1 said:

As a few have asked, here is a rough breakdown of the service costs (parts and labour combined, inc. VAT):

Major service £7.5k

6 ignition coils £500

Replace engine mount £800

Replaced two camshafts (parts under goodwill), labour cost (net of contribution) £1.5k

Replaced front spring coils £850

Replaced 12V battery (cheaper to do when car already disassembled, I replace every 4 years) £400

4 new Michelin SuperSport tyres fitted £1,200

Four wheel alignment £1,000

Elective paintwork £2,700

Detailing (Refined Detail) £2,000

Gearbox repair £19k including prep and shipping


So the core service work remains, I think, for a car of this type very reasonable indeed. "Normal" annual services are c. £2k. Elective work was around 60% of the Porsche Reading bill.

Interesting about camshaft replacement - looks like a reasonable number of CGT's get their cams replaced, irrespective of mileage driven. Heard everything from lack of Zinc content in modern engine oil formulations to the original camshafts not being heat treated properly during the manufacturing process. Not sure which to believe, but good to see Porsche still supporting claims for their CGT brethren 14+ years on !

[Chris Stott]

£1000 for an alignment?

[Porkerr]

stefan1 said:

As a few have asked, here is a rough breakdown of the service costs (parts and labour combined, inc. VAT):

Major service £7.5k

6 ignition coils £500

Replace engine mount £800

Replaced two camshafts (parts under goodwill), labour cost (net of contribution) £1.5k

Replaced front spring coils £850

Replaced 12V battery (cheaper to do when car already disassembled, I replace every 4 years) £400

4 new Michelin SuperSport tyres fitted £1,200

Four wheel alignment £1,000

Elective paintwork £2,700

Detailing (Refined Detail) £2,000

Gearbox repair £19k including prep and shipping


So the core service work remains, I think, for a car of this type very reasonable indeed. "Normal" annual services are c. £2k. Elective work was around 60% of the Porsche Reading bill.

Is there any outlook that Michelin would develop more modern tires for the CGT again? I know they went from PS2 to PSS a few years ago, would they develop a Cup2 or a PS4S for this car as well?

[Hondafanat]

Great photos and great car, and great post.

I haven't read all the replies so I may be wrong, but am I correct to assume the car has covered 20,000 miles from new, and that service cost circa £40k?

[993rsr]

Porkerr said:

stefan1 said:

As a few have asked, here is a rough breakdown of the service costs (parts and labour combined, inc. VAT):

Major service £7.5k

6 ignition coils £500

Replace engine mount £800

Replaced two camshafts (parts under goodwill), labour cost (net of contribution) £1.5k

Replaced front spring coils £850

Replaced 12V battery (cheaper to do when car already disassembled, I replace every 4 years) £400

4 new Michelin SuperSport tyres fitted £1,200

Four wheel alignment £1,000

Elective paintwork £2,700

Detailing (Refined Detail) £2,000

Gearbox repair £19k including prep and shipping


So the core service work remains, I think, for a car of this type very reasonable indeed. "Normal" annual services are c. £2k. Elective work was around 60% of the Porsche Reading bill.

Is there any outlook that Michelin would develop more modern tires for the CGT again? I know they went from PS2 to PSS a few years ago, would they develop a Cup2 or a PS4S for this car as well?

You can run PS4S and Cup 2 on OEM wheels (slightly larger rear at 345 vs 335 wide) however you will need to get them fitted outside of PCGB as they are not willing to fit non 'N' rated tyres. They are fab on Cup 2, and Michelin slicks the chassis needs better rubber to unlock it's potential.

[Porkerr]

993rsr said:

You can run PS4S and Cup 2 on OEM wheels (slightly larger rear at 345 vs 335 wide) however you will need to get them fitted outside of PCGB as they are not willing to fit non 'N' rated tyres. They are fab on Cup 2, and Michelin slicks the chassis needs better rubber to unlock it's potential.

Indeed that's what I thought, its tires were already outdated when it was launched, especially given the incredible chassis tech. Didn't know you could fit the Cup 2's. Someone should fit them and see what ring time it achieves on modern day rubber, would be really interesting.

[epom]

Talking of all things GT servicing related, I happened across this, this evening in one of the old Evo"s still in my Mam's house.
Is Paul Bailey still active and collecting, and what has become of this GT?

[anonymous-user]

Great thread. Thanks for taking the time. It all seems reasonable enough to be honest, especially if you take off the elective cosmetic stuff. I'm surprised the gearbox needs work after 'just' 20k though and not just this example. Is it a problem?

[Theone8181]

Chris Stott said:

£1000 for an alignment?

Sounds like someone's milking it. Is the alignment much more difficult than any other Porsche (I'm assuming it didn't require suspension adjustment). Very nice car though.

[Digga]

fblm said:

Great thread. Thanks for taking the time. It all seems reasonable enough to be honest, especially if you take off the elective cosmetic stuff. I'm surprised the gearbox needs work after 'just' 20k though and not just this example. Is it a problem?

It is interesting. The contemporary Mezger engined 911s were all prone to gearbox issues, albeit at far lower power and torque distribution. My guess is that perhaps some of the faults - which some experts say were not component related, but rather due to assembly execution - may well have translated?

Sports & Classic have rebuilt no end of GT and turbo gearboxes (it's quite a specialist thing) and I know are by no means alone in this.

[lowndes]

fblm said:

Great thread. Thanks for taking the time. It all seems reasonable enough to be honest, especially if you take off the elective cosmetic stuff. I'm surprised the gearbox needs work after 'just' 20k though and not just this example. Is it a problem?

Digga said:

It is interesting. The contemporary Mezger engined 911s were all prone to gearbox issues, albeit at far lower power and torque distribution. My guess is that perhaps some of the faults - which some experts say were not component related, but rather due to assembly execution - may well have translated?

Sports & Classic have rebuilt no end of GT and turbo gearboxes (it's quite a specialist thing) and I know are by no means alone in this.

The box in my car is at 44k and seems fine with a cleaner action than the 7.2GT3 which coincidentally is also in the mid 40'k miles. Both better when warm. Not sure how much cross over there is between the Mezger engined 911 boxes and the CGT, they certainly look a little different (Clutch also in view reference the discussion earlier in the thread.)

[Digga]

lowndes said:

The box in my car is at 44k and seems fine with a cleaner action than the 7.2GT3 which coincidentally is also in the mid 40'k miles. Both better when warm.

My 7.1 GT3 just had the gearbox oil changed. Twice in the last month to be precise. First for the scheduled OPC service and then again when I finally got hold of new Cup diff parts.

It does make a difference to the shift though!

lowndes said:

Not sure how much cross over there is between the Mezger engined 911 boxes and the CGT, they certainly look a little different (Clutch also in view reference the discussion earlier in the thread.)

Both very different items, but I wonder (since it was assembly rather than the specific components that let the 911 boxes down, how and where that technique was derived and whether similar issues existed?

[MarkNC]

What a fantastic post! Thanks for sharing.

[AussieFozzy]

I feel a bit naughty looking at this while in the office.

Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I have no way to repay you but i can send you some pictures the next time i change the oil in the Fiesta if you like?

[Cheib]

This was the latest CGT thread I could find so thought I would post here. One owner Speed Yellow CGT coming up for auction....the owner has used it (27k miles) so it’s estimated at £450k to £500k. Seems to be good value to me!

https://www.coys.co.uk/cars/2006-porsche-carrera-g...

[Petrus1983]

Cheib said:

This was the latest CGT thread I could find so thought I would post here. One owner Speed Yellow CGT coming up for auction....the owner has used it (27k miles) so it’s estimated at £450k to £500k. Seems to be good value to me!

https://www.coys.co.uk/cars/2006-porsche-carrera-g...

27,000 miles

Great to see it’s been properly used.

[isaldiri]

Cheib said:

This was the latest CGT thread I could find so thought I would post here. One owner Speed Yellow CGT coming up for auction....the owner has used it (27k miles) so it’s estimated at £450k to £500k. Seems to be good value to me!

https://www.coys.co.uk/cars/2006-porsche-carrera-g...

That car came up before I think earlier in the year. Kuwait car at Octane or someone, vat to be paid per coys listing as well. Unusual to be in speed yellow though, the official yellow offered was fayence and I only recall a signal yellow US car as a non fayence car.

[993rsr]

isaldiri said:

That car came up before I think earlier in the year. Kuwait car at Octane or someone, vat to be paid per coys listing as well. Unusual to be in speed yellow though, the official yellow offered was fayence and I only recall a signal yellow US car as a non fayence car.

It's number 1092 which shows as Fayence Yellow so suspect it's an error in the Coy's blurb.

[Cheib]

isaldiri said:

Cheib said:

This was the latest CGT thread I could find so thought I would post here. One owner Speed Yellow CGT coming up for auction....the owner has used it (27k miles) so it’s estimated at £450k to £500k. Seems to be good value to me!

https://www.coys.co.uk/cars/2006-porsche-carrera-g...

That car came up before I think earlier in the year. Kuwait car at Octane or someone, vat to be paid per coys listing as well. Unusual to be in speed yellow though, the official yellow offered was fayence and I only recall a signal yellow US car as a non fayence car.

Octane as you said !

https://youtu.be/vmKu2byVx1Y