Speedster Launch in New York

[RSVP911]

IMI A said:

RSVP911 said:

I think it’s all irrelevant ; just another 911 that you can’t buy - it’s enfuriating !

Sad so few go to owners prepared to use them as Porsche intended. Is it really £250k list as I've seen mentioned on other threads? Thats a bit too much especially if thats before options. Better off with a 991.2 GT3 surely? And you can probably buy a very low mile early 991.1 turbo s cab with the change if you want open top motoring or am I being too sensible?

It’s not that, it’s just the fact that every “special” car they make is basically unobtainable unless you’ve done stupid things to get them - I know it’s been done to death and I completely understand what’s happening - but on an true enthusiasts level it’s just becoming impossible.

Either way now I’ve seen it with the hood up I don’t care - looks so much better with it’s top off !

[GT4RS]

Phooey said:

RSVP911 said:

I think it’s all irrelevant ; just another 911 that you can’t buy - it’s enfuriating !

Crazy isn't it. 8 or 9 years ago nobody would of wanted to buy it either. Remember the huge discounts OPCs offered to sell the 987 Spyder? Wasn't a huge market for a car with a tent as a roof. Now *everyone* wants one because they can make a few quid

I think you hit the nail on the head my friend. Once the profits gone the demand will drop off.

[isaldiri]

RSVP911 said:

It’s not that, it’s just the fact that every “special” car they make is basically unobtainable unless you’ve done stupid things to get them - I know it’s been done to death and I completely understand what’s happening - but on an true enthusiasts level it’s just becoming impossible.

Well....to be fair given you've gotten yourself a .1rs, gt4 and .2gt3 you aren't finding it quite as impossible to get unobtainable cars compared to quite a few others....

[RSVP911]

isaldiri said:

RSVP911 said:

It’s not that, it’s just the fact that every “special” car they make is basically unobtainable unless you’ve done stupid things to get them - I know it’s been done to death and I completely understand what’s happening - but on an true enthusiasts level it’s just becoming impossible.

Well....to be fair given you've gotten yourself a .1rs, gt4 and .2gt3 you aren't finding it quite as impossible to get unobtainable cars compared to quite a few others....

You’re absolutely right - I have had a good run and it was fun while it lasted , but buying , driving and giving back at great prices isn’t enough in today’s GT circus - I’ve been supremely outgunned.

It’s actually a relief to know I’m not in the race anymore - I hate being in “no mans land”

Either way, you are right to pick me up on my post - fair play to you

[Taffy66]

RSVP911 said:

You’re absolutely right - I have had a good run and it was fun while it lasted , but buying , driving and giving back at great prices isn’t enough in today’s GT circus - I’ve been supremely outgunned.

It’s actually a relief to know I’m not in the race anymore - I hate being in “no mans land”

Either way, you are right to pick me up on my post - fair play to you

I fully understand your frustration in getting the special ones..I completely lost my head on these forums as a result of wanting an RS WP so badly..Now i've been given an allocation i feel a huge amount of relief and count myself really fortunate.
I got my RS purely by being a very loyal long standing customer to my OPC but at no point were any secret deals offered or made by either party to secure an RS..They wanted an RS to go to a loyal easy going client but one which is a true Porsche enthusiast who fully intends to enjoy his new RS and not flip it for a quick profit.
I'd like to think that the Speedster allocations will be chosen with the same ethos by other OPCs as seeing them being flipped at independants with no miles on them is a good way of losing Porsche enthusiasts.

[footsoldier]

isaldiri said:

RSVP911 said:

It’s not that, it’s just the fact that every “special” car they make is basically unobtainable unless you’ve done stupid things to get them - I know it’s been done to death and I completely understand what’s happening - but on an true enthusiasts level it’s just becoming impossible.

Well....to be fair given you've gotten yourself a .1rs, gt4 and .2gt3 you aren't finding it quite as impossible to get unobtainable cars compared to quite a few others....

I don't agree with this idea that anyone has 'done well' to buy a car from a car manufacturer/dealer. The only people controlling the supply is Porsche, and they're not doing anyone any 'favours' by selling to them.

Not many businesses operate where you can spend £millions on their product and then get told you have to jump through new hoops to keep being a customer, for a product that can easily be supplied to you if they so choose. And be grateful!

Porsche has been so successful with their Birkin bag strategy, that they are also belatedly getting in on the overs act at source, by bumping up the prices.

Speedster is a niche 911, being sold at £250k, and is a 'limited edition' plaque car, which is being produced in similar numbers to the entire run of 997.1RS, more than the 997.2, slightly less than 964RS total production, about double total 993RS, 3x996 RS, etc.

If and when the music stops, will dealers buy back the watches?

[IMI A]

footsoldier said:

If and when the music stops, will dealers buy back the watches?

[isaldiri]

footsoldier said:

I don't agree with this idea that anyone has 'done well' to buy a car from a car manufacturer/dealer. The only people controlling the supply is Porsche, and they're not doing anyone any 'favours' by selling to them.

Not many businesses operate where you can spend £millions on their product and then get told you have to jump through new hoops to keep being a customer, for a product that can easily be supplied to you if they so choose. And be grateful!

But isn't the point that Porsche at the moment (in the rhd UK market anyway) is one of those businesses it seems. When there is a long queue of people wanting to buy any of the GT cars, if you are one of the people getting quite a few of them without having to buy multiple cars and/or jumping through all kinds of hoops then I'm not sure how one can say anything other than that person is 'doing quite well' to get said cars. And I merely observed that RSVP wasn't finding it as impossible as for a few others to get the cars rather than saying he was doing well

P.S I thought the 964RS production number was >2000 so somewhat more than the Speedster.

[MDL111]

isaldiri said:

footsoldier said:

I don't agree with this idea that anyone has 'done well' to buy a car from a car manufacturer/dealer. The only people controlling the supply is Porsche, and they're not doing anyone any 'favours' by selling to them.

Not many businesses operate where you can spend £millions on their product and then get told you have to jump through new hoops to keep being a customer, for a product that can easily be supplied to you if they so choose. And be grateful!

But isn't the point that Porsche at the moment (in the rhd UK market anyway) is one of those businesses it seems. When there is a long queue of people wanting to buy any of the GT cars, if you are one of the people getting quite a few of them without having to buy multiple cars and/or jumping through all kinds of hoops then I'm not sure how one can say anything other than that person is 'doing quite well' to get said cars. And I merely observed that RSVP wasn't finding it as impossible as for a few others to get the cars rather than saying he was doing well

P.S I thought the 964RS production number was >2000 so somewhat more than the Speedster.

He did say slightly less, I think there were 2.2 to 2.3 964 - this is from memory from somebody who has never owned one ....

[MDL111]

If it is 250k Sterling, then it is about the same or slightly less than a GT2RS (in euros in Germany) - maybe they just decided not to continue to subsidize the UK market now that they are dropping out of the EU and are therefore less important

Edit: about time you started paying the same as we do for your cars would take care of the stupid overs market too

[isaldiri]

MDL111 said:

He did say slightly less, I think there were 2.2 to 2.3 964 - this is from memory from somebody who has never owned one ....

Oops yes reading fail there just now

[Taffy66]

MDL111 said:

If it is 250k Sterling, then it is about the same or slightly less than a GT2RS (in euros in Germany) - maybe they just decided not to continue to subsidize the UK market now that they are dropping out of the EU and are therefore less important

There's wisdom in your words..The one caveat is that there's been no official announcement of Uk Speedster prices and therefore its purely speculation..There might be a nice surprise in for the lucky UK buyers in terms of the list price.

[MDL111]

Taffy66 said:

MDL111 said:

If it is 250k Sterling, then it is about the same or slightly less than a GT2RS (in euros in Germany) - maybe they just decided not to continue to subsidize the UK market now that they are dropping out of the EU and are therefore less important

There's wisdom in your words..The one caveat is that there's been no official announcement of Uk Speedster prices and therefore its purely speculation..There might be a nice surprise in for the lucky UK buyers in terms of the list price.

Might well be - the thing is though for the people who want a more normal car (eg GT3, GT3 RS) even paying the UK overs (maybe not in the first 6 months, but then you have to pay overs in Germany too, so kinda equals out) is not really worse than buying at list in other markets, so it kinda is the true market value of the car and one should not feel bad about it (ofcourse if you can get at list then that is great) - the point being that a GT Porsche is not a cheap car and a RS Porsche is not far off a Ferrari in terms of list pricing in most markets. UK just been lucky for a while. Tells you something about profit margins though that Porsche is happy to sell the cars at effectively 30-50k less in the UK than in Germany .....

[David W.]

Silver with white accents, wooo what a great looking thing.
https://youtu.be/DPtV-9alEW4

[gtsralph]

PCA video which from around 9:30 mins talks about engine revisions, throttle bodies, exhaust etc

https://www.facebook.com/porscheclubofamerica/vide...

[BrntRubber]

gtsralph said:

PCA video which from around 9:30 mins talks about engine revisions, throttle bodies, exhaust etc

https://www.facebook.com/porscheclubofamerica/vide...

Great find!

[Taffy66]

BrntRubber said:

gtsralph said:

PCA video which from around 9:30 mins talks about engine revisions, throttle bodies, exhaust etc

https://www.facebook.com/porscheclubofamerica/vide...

Great find!

As the more detail on the Speedster gets dug up the more convinced i am about it being potentially the most exciting Porsche to drive in recent times..Porsche are currently on a roll and over deliver on all recent 911s including the new basic 992..