What’s the right price for a 991.2 GT3 ?

What’s the right price for a 991.2 GT3 ?

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FocusRS3

2,899 posts

36 months

Sunday 21st April
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Geoffrey 321 said:
Not much has changed it would seem, a friend of mine couldn't get a bid on his 1-year-old car from the supplying dealer last year!!
Confirms it then and explains the depreciation issues

Jefferson Steelflex

679 posts

44 months

Sunday 21st April
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Just to pick up on the comment earlier, does this not make the 991.1 GT3 a bit of a bargain by comparison? They’re c.£105k now at OPCs.

I’ll be in the market at that price in maybe 6 months, is the .2 really worth the extra?

Juno

3,653 posts

194 months

Monday 22nd April
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Jefferson Steelflex said:
Just to pick up on the comment earlier, does this not make the 991.1 GT3 a bit of a bargain by comparison? They’re c.£105k now at OPCs.

I’ll be in the market at that price in maybe 6 months, is the .2 really worth the extra?
This was the very conversation we had amongst several owners yesterday .1 or .2 GT3 most having the .2 commenting on the engine difference and being worth the extra. I guess you wouldn’t expect a .2 owner to say otherwise! having had both I can say there is absolutely nothing wrong with the .1 but I do prefer the .2 and personally feel it was worth the change.

The engine does feel crisper and a bit more breathy and free willing, defo notice the torque from lower speeds in gear and overall it feels more compliant on the road,I like the steering wheel as well.

Edited by Juno on Monday 22 April 06:38

FocusRS3

2,899 posts

36 months

Monday 22nd April
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Juno said:
This was the very conversation we had amongst several owners yesterday .1 or .2 GT3 most having the .2 commenting on the engine difference and being worth the extra. I guess you wouldn’t expect a .2 owner to say otherwise! having had both I can say there is absolutely nothing wrong with the .1 but I do prefer the .2 and personally feel it was worth the change.

The engine does feel crisper and a bit more breathy and free willing, defo notice the torque from lower speeds in gear and overall it feels more compliant on the road,I like the steering wheel as well.

Edited by Juno on Monday 22 April 06:38
The YouTube reviews from Harris, Meaden and Jethro back this up too. Bovingtons comment was “if you paid 500k for a 911R (2nd owner) then your a f’kin idiot”.

Question is Manuel or PDK I guess...

Cheib

16,784 posts

120 months

Monday 22nd April
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I suppose if you look at 997.1 and 997.2 GT3 there’s what a £15k to £20k price difference so you could resonably expect that as a price difference in the future? Big issue is engine once that 10yr warranty runs out.

FocusRS3

2,899 posts

36 months

Monday 22nd April
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Cheib said:
I suppose if you look at 997.1 and 997.2 GT3 there’s what a £15k to £20k price difference so you could resonably expect that as a price difference in the future? Big issue is engine once that 10yr warranty runs out.
I’ve noticed there seems far more 997.1’s for sale than 997.2’s . The 2 seems to sell faster.

I’ve had 2 997.1’s but now I’d go the extra and have the .2

At the age these are getting to now I’d probably only be comfortable buying from JZM who I know go rigourously through ever car they take in.

As for the 991 I think they are more mullet proof than people give them Credit for.

FocusRS3

2,899 posts

36 months

Monday 22nd April
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Cheib said:
I suppose if you look at 997.1 and 997.2 GT3 there’s what a £15k to £20k price difference so you could resonably expect that as a price difference in the future? Big issue is engine once that 10yr warranty runs out.
I’ve noticed there seems far more 997.1’s for sale than 997.2’s . The 2 seems to sell faster.

I’ve had 2 997.1’s but now I’d go the extra and have the .2

At the age these are getting to now I’d probably only be comfortable buying from JZM who I know go rigourously through ever car they take in.

As for the 991 I think they are more mullet proof than people give them Credit for.

Cheib

16,784 posts

120 months

Monday 22nd April
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FocusRS3 said:
Cheib said:
I suppose if you look at 997.1 and 997.2 GT3 there’s what a £15k to £20k price difference so you could resonably expect that as a price difference in the future? Big issue is engine once that 10yr warranty runs out.
I’ve noticed there seems far more 997.1’s for sale than 997.2’s . The 2 seems to sell faster.

I’ve had 2 997.1’s but now I’d go the extra and have the .2

At the age these are getting to now I’d probably only be comfortable buying from JZM who I know go rigourously through ever car they take in.

As for the 991 I think they are more mullet proof than people give them Credit for.
The .2 in CS form is definitely the most desirable/sort after 997 GT3.

Perception will become reality (in terms of prices) I think for the 991.1....it’s tainted I think and obviously these things become exaggerated but you do read of people with multiple engine failures....which seem to be associated with track use from what I have read a few times? I think the older these cars get the more the owners are people that want to drive track them so I do think it’s an issue long term fo the cars in terms of price differential on that basis.

Juno

3,653 posts

194 months

Monday 22nd April
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FocusRS3 said:
Juno said:
This was the very conversation we had amongst several owners yesterday .1 or .2 GT3 most having the .2 commenting on the engine difference and being worth the extra. I guess you wouldn’t expect a .2 owner to say otherwise! having had both I can say there is absolutely nothing wrong with the .1 but I do prefer the .2 and personally feel it was worth the change.

The engine does feel crisper and a bit more breathy and free willing, defo notice the torque from lower speeds in gear and overall it feels more compliant on the road,I like the steering wheel as well.

Edited by Juno on Monday 22 April 06:38
The YouTube reviews from Harris, Meaden and Jethro back this up too. Bovingtons comment was “if you paid 500k for a 911R (2nd owner) then your a f’kin idiot”.

Question is Manuel or PDK I guess...
As much as the old school outlook pulls on the heart strings for a manual I feel that you are giving up a lot of tech and performance if you don’t have the PDK. I personally feel the PDK gives the car more character and makes it even more playful.


Edited by Juno on Monday 22 April 10:10

isaldiri

4,843 posts

113 months

Monday 22nd April
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FocusRS3 said:
The YouTube reviews from Harris, Meaden and Jethro back this up too. Bovingtons comment was “if you paid 500k for a 911R (2nd owner) then your a f’kin idiot”.

Question is Manuel or PDK I guess...
You actually take reviews that seriously where every journalist typically falls over themselves in praising the new shiny thing....?

FocusRS3

2,899 posts

36 months

Monday 22nd April
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isaldiri said:
You actually take reviews that seriously where every journalist typically falls over themselves in praising the new shiny thing....?
No i watched others but they are the journos I think know their stuff better albeit they are Porsche fans

Juno

3,653 posts

194 months

Monday 22nd April
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isaldiri said:
FocusRS3 said:
The YouTube reviews from Harris, Meaden and Jethro back this up too. Bovingtons comment was “if you paid 500k for a 911R (2nd owner) then your a f’kin idiot”.

Question is Manuel or PDK I guess...
You actually take reviews that seriously where every journalist typically falls over themselves in praising the new shiny thing....?
I get your point about journalists but having been with many .1 .2 owners yesterday it is a view that they all share, .2 is a worthwhile jump.

And my .1 did smoke it’s pants off from time to time which can’t be right!!!


Also to mention when you look at the cost difference don’t overlook the fact you are also getting a car 3 to 4 years newer probably with low miles as well so there’s more benefits to be had in changing than just the upgrades. I went 13 year to 17 year and 10k miles to 1700 miles to be factored in,same benefit even if you are a first time buyer.

Edited by Juno on Monday 22 April 10:23

isaldiri

4,843 posts

113 months

Monday 22nd April
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Juno said:
I get your point about journalists but having been with many .1 .2 owners yesterday it is a view that they all share, .2 is a worthwhile jump.
I'm sure it is a worthwhile jump but equally, that's a rather self selecting group to ask if the .2 is worth the extra don't you think? It's a rather rare owner of a car that will not in some way (even unintentionally) self justify his choice of car especially over one where a fair few might well have traded up from.

APOLO1

4,587 posts

139 months

Monday 22nd April
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isaldiri said:
I'm sure it is a worthwhile jump but equally, that's a rather self selecting group to ask if the .2 is worth the extra don't you think? It's a rather rare owner of a car that will not in some way (even unintentionally) self justify his choice of car especially over one where a fair few might well have traded up from.
Think we all have a different prospective about " if "the price over the 991.1 to the .2 is worth the jump. Bit like the R and the GT3Touring on paper they look very close, and yet when driven back to back they are completely different cars.

If i was in the Market for a 991.1GT3 i would have one in a "blink" and not look back.....

Juno

3,653 posts

194 months

Monday 22nd April
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isaldiri said:
I'm sure it is a worthwhile jump but equally, that's a rather self selecting group to ask if the .2 is worth the extra don't you think? It's a rather rare owner of a car that will not in some way (even unintentionally) self justify his choice of car especially over one where a fair few might well have traded up from.
I actually said that in my earlier post ( I guess you wouldn’t expect a .2 owner to say otherwise!) but you've got to ask someone to be able to answer the question!

If not current owners who have owned both and or journalists then who do you suggest to get an opinion?

Edited by Juno on Monday 22 April 10:56

isaldiri

4,843 posts

113 months

Monday 22nd April
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Juno said:
If not current owners who have owned both and or journalists then who do you suggest to get an opinion?
That's a fair question, the short answer is - I don't know! biggrin ideally someone without a vested interest in either but with enough experience of the cars concerned but that's a rather difficult combination I grant you.

Juno

3,653 posts

194 months

Monday 22nd April
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isaldiri said:
Juno said:
If not current owners who have owned both and or journalists then who do you suggest to get an opinion?
That's a fair question, the short answer is - I don't know! biggrin ideally someone without a vested interest in either but with enough experience of the cars concerned but that's a rather difficult combination I grant you.
Ideally a young talented racing driver who yet doesn’t have the funds to be contemplating ownership of either and also too young to have been corrupted by media requirement to back scratch!

Just a thought.

Cheib

16,784 posts

120 months

Monday 22nd April
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Juno said:
isaldiri said:
Juno said:
If not current owners who have owned both and or journalists then who do you suggest to get an opinion?
That's a fair question, the short answer is - I don't know! biggrin ideally someone without a vested interest in either but with enough experience of the cars concerned but that's a rather difficult combination I grant you.
Ideally a young talented racing driver who yet doesn’t have the funds to be contemplating ownership of either and also too young to have been corrupted by media requirement to back scratch!

Just a thought.
I’ve always found it very interesting talking to the PEC instructors about their thoughts on the various GT cars....they’re pretty honest about the differences if you get to know them. Certainly a couple queried my decision to get a manual box in my GT3! That’s based on using it on track though.

GT4RS

1,833 posts

142 months

Monday 22nd April
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The white manual club sport is still for sale privately in South Wales at £138k, it been up since the start of the year.

Looks a nice spec to and only 1000 miles on it.

FocusRS3

2,899 posts

36 months

Monday 22nd April
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isaldiri said:
You actually take reviews that seriously where every journalist typically falls over themselves in praising the new shiny thing....?
Decent enough owners review

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGT9_DzQW88#fauxfull...