What’s the right price for a 991.2 GT3 ?

[blackmamba]

av185 said:

It is interesting that it is no surprise that no-one as yet has provided proof of these imaginary cars being for sale at the imaginary bargain prices they claim, as expected.

But we have, of course, heard all these wild armchair claims before.

It’s a private forum so I can’t provide a link but here are the details. Just because you don’t want to believe something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

“2017 67 GT Silver, 918 buckets, carbon interior pack, extended leather, Bose, rear camera, front lift. Looks stunning in silver, really suits the dark air intakes and lines.

No outstanding finance, car is in perfect condition, only 3700 miles. I won't advertise it elsewhere, I'll just offer it to trade, but before I do... £135k to PGT!“

I believe there were no takers and the car was traded. You might want to review the p/x prices you have been offered as I doubt anyone in the trade will be looking to buy in stock at those prices.

[FocusRS3]

[quote=blackmamba]

It’s a private forum so I can’t provide a link but here are the details. Just because you don’t want to believe something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

“2017 67 GT Silver, 918 buckets, carbon interior pack, extended leather, Bose, rear camera, front lift. Looks stunning in silver, really suits the dark air intakes and lines.

No outstanding finance, car is in perfect condition, only 3700 miles. I won't advertise it elsewhere, I'll just offer it to trade, but before I do... £135k to PGT!“

I believe there were no takers and the car was traded. You might want to review the p/x prices you have been offered as I doubt anyone in the trade will be looking to buy in stock at those prices. [/quot

Cars are often traded in that fashion on PGT I can confirm . Most on there know each other well and are happy with a no hassle sale with someone they know especially as it's invite only

[av185]

blackmamba said:

av185 said:

It is interesting that it is no surprise that no-one as yet has provided proof of these imaginary cars being for sale at the imaginary bargain prices they claim, as expected.

But we have, of course, heard all these wild armchair claims before.

It’s a private forum so I can’t provide a link but here are the details. Just because you don’t want to believe something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

“2017 67 GT Silver, 918 buckets, carbon interior pack, extended leather, Bose, rear camera, front lift. Looks stunning in silver, really suits the dark air intakes and lines.

No outstanding finance, car is in perfect condition, only 3700 miles. I won't advertise it elsewhere, I'll just offer it to trade, but before I do... £135k to PGT!“

I believe there were no takers and the car was traded. You might want to review the p/x prices you have been offered as I doubt anyone in the trade will be looking to buy in stock at those prices.

So from the vague info you have given and the fact that as I thought and now confirmed there is no link this is an early reg fairly basic car with above average mileage (for a gen 2 GT3), no details on number of owners ( could be 5...some are), no details on transmission, no detail on brakes (probably steels which as we all know hugely affects the price), no details on otr list price (could be £115k), no details on exact condition, no details whether it is even a UK C16 car, and you have no details at what the car was traded at.

So quite meaningless until these details are substantiated.

Ref your wild assertion about not buying stock at the price I quoted without you even knowing the exact spec of mine we have seen many times the best cars sell at the best prices trade or retail which really is not rocket science.

[FocusRS3]

av185 said:

So from the vague info you have given and the fact that as I thought and now confirmed there is no link this is an early reg fairly basic car with above average mileage (for a gen 2 GT3), no details on number of owners ( could be 5...some are), no details on transmission, no detail on brakes (probably steels which as we all know hugely affects the price), no details on otr list price (could be £115k), no details on exact condition, no details whether it is even a UK C16 car, and you have no details at what the car was traded at.

So quite meaningless until these details are substantiated.

Ref your wild assertion about not buying stock at the price I quoted without you even knowing the exact spec of mine we have seen many times the best cars sell at the best prices trade or retail which really is not rocket science.

Allow me-

Since i've had people asking, the full spec is...

U2 GT Silver Metallic
78 Black leather interior package
7X9 Reversing camera
486 6-speed GT sports manual transmission
474 Front axle lift system
431 20-inch 911 GT3 wheels
P11 Full bucket seats
EKG Carbon interior package (with leather interior)
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
It has the tracker / Porsche connect etc all activated which can all be transferred plus of course the warranty which is fully transferable.
I have an indoor car cover for it included.

[blackmamba]

I think it’s a very nicely spec’d car and have no reason to believe it will be in anything other than perfect condition as described, despite its high mileage (what a joke ...)! I think you have more specific details now but perhaps you still don’t believe it is real? And I explained why there is no link but obviously difficult for you to comprehend.

How about you show us proof of the p/x offers you claim to have received for or should we assume you are making it up without a certified and witnessed offer letter?

Edited by blackmamba on Tuesday 23 April 17:24

[xbowdan]

FocusRS3 said:

Allow me-

Since i've had people asking, the full spec is...

U2 GT Silver Metallic
78 Black leather interior package
7X9 Reversing camera
486 6-speed GT sports manual transmission
474 Front axle lift system
431 20-inch 911 GT3 wheels
P11 Full bucket seats
EKG Carbon interior package (with leather interior)
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
It has the tracker / Porsche connect etc all activated which can all be transferred plus of course the warranty which is fully transferable.
I have an indoor car cover for it included.

I can confirm that it’s 100% true because it’s my car!!!!!

I’ve actually still got it. I had put an offer on a house in Italy which unfortunately fell through. I needed the cash to buy the property hence the rather reluctant sale. It may come back on the market soon once we’ve found somewhere else.

Great car, which I’ve now being using - over 5k Miles now, so entirely unsellable at such obscene usage!!!!!!

Cars with PCCB tend to go for more. I like the yellow callipers, but I actually prefer steels. Great on track, really awesome. Doesn’t seem that long ago that no one wanted ceramics!!

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

blackmamba said:

av185 said:

It is interesting that it is no surprise that no-one as yet has provided proof of these imaginary cars being for sale at the imaginary bargain prices they claim, as expected.

But we have, of course, heard all these wild armchair claims before.

It’s a private forum so I can’t provide a link but here are the details. Just because you don’t want to believe something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

“2017 67 GT Silver, 918 buckets, carbon interior pack, extended leather, Bose, rear camera, front lift. Looks stunning in silver, really suits the dark air intakes and lines.

No outstanding finance, car is in perfect condition, only 3700 miles. I won't advertise it elsewhere, I'll just offer it to trade, but before I do... £135k to PGT!“

I believe there were no takers and the car was traded. You might want to review the p/x prices you have been offered as I doubt anyone in the trade will be looking to buy in stock at those prices.

So from the vague info you have given and the fact that as I thought and now confirmed there is no link this is an early reg fairly basic car with above average mileage (for a gen 2 GT3), no details on number of owners ( could be 5...some are), no details on transmission, no detail on brakes (probably steels which as we all know hugely affects the price), no details on otr list price (could be £115k), no details on exact condition, no details whether it is even a UK C16 car, and you have no details at what the car was traded at.

So quite meaningless until these details are substantiated.

Ref your wild assertion about not buying stock at the price I quoted without you even knowing the exact spec of mine we have seen many times the best cars sell at the best prices trade or retail which really is not rocket science.

Without sounding rude but if you think a car with a total of 3700 miles from new is classed as above average mileage for a 2017 plate car you need to go and sit in the corner and have a good chat with yourself!

[GT4RS]

FocusRS3 said:

Allow me-

Since i've had people asking, the full spec is...

U2 GT Silver Metallic
78 Black leather interior package
7X9 Reversing camera
486 6-speed GT sports manual transmission
474 Front axle lift system
431 20-inch 911 GT3 wheels
P11 Full bucket seats
EKG Carbon interior package (with leather interior)
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
It has the tracker / Porsche connect etc all activated which can all be transferred plus of course the warranty which is fully transferable.
I have an indoor car cover for it included.

Sounds a lovely spec and similar to the white South Wales car which has been for sale since Christmas for 138k, this white one isn’t so leggy in the miles mind as it only got a 1000 or so last time I checked.

[GT4RS]

FocusRS3 said:

Allow me-

Since i've had people asking, the full spec is...

U2 GT Silver Metallic
78 Black leather interior package
7X9 Reversing camera
486 6-speed GT sports manual transmission
474 Front axle lift system
431 20-inch 911 GT3 wheels
P11 Full bucket seats
EKG Carbon interior package (with leather interior)
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
It has the tracker / Porsche connect etc all activated which can all be transferred plus of course the warranty which is fully transferable.
I have an indoor car cover for it included.

Sounds a lovely spec and similar to the white South Wales car which has been for sale since Christmas for 138k, this white one isn’t so leggy in the miles mind as it only got a 1000 or so last time I checked.

[av185]

GT4RS said:

av185 said:

blackmamba said:

av185 said:

It is interesting that it is no surprise that no-one as yet has provided proof of these imaginary cars being for sale at the imaginary bargain prices they claim, as expected.

But we have, of course, heard all these wild armchair claims before.

It’s a private forum so I can’t provide a link but here are the details. Just because you don’t want to believe something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

“2017 67 GT Silver, 918 buckets, carbon interior pack, extended leather, Bose, rear camera, front lift. Looks stunning in silver, really suits the dark air intakes and lines.

No outstanding finance, car is in perfect condition, only 3700 miles. I won't advertise it elsewhere, I'll just offer it to trade, but before I do... £135k to PGT!“

I believe there were no takers and the car was traded. You might want to review the p/x prices you have been offered as I doubt anyone in the trade will be looking to buy in stock at those prices.

So from the vague info you have given and the fact that as I thought and now confirmed there is no link this is an early reg fairly basic car with above average mileage (for a gen 2 GT3), no details on number of owners ( could be 5...some are), no details on transmission, no detail on brakes (probably steels which as we all know hugely affects the price), no details on otr list price (could be £115k), no details on exact condition, no details whether it is even a UK C16 car, and you have no details at what the car was traded at.

So quite meaningless until these details are substantiated.

Ref your wild assertion about not buying stock at the price I quoted without you even knowing the exact spec of mine we have seen many times the best cars sell at the best prices trade or retail which really is not rocket science.

Without sounding rude but if you think a car with a total of 3700 miles from new is classed as above average mileage for a 2017 plate car you need to go and sit in the corner and have a good chat with yourself!

Without sounding rude if you read my post properly you will see I qualified it by saying it is high mileage (for a gen 2 GT3).

[av185]

GT4RS said:

FocusRS3 said:

Allow me-

Since i've had people asking, the full spec is...

U2 GT Silver Metallic
78 Black leather interior package
7X9 Reversing camera
486 6-speed GT sports manual transmission
474 Front axle lift system
431 20-inch 911 GT3 wheels
P11 Full bucket seats
EKG Carbon interior package (with leather interior)
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
It has the tracker / Porsche connect etc all activated which can all be transferred plus of course the warranty which is fully transferable.
I have an indoor car cover for it included.

Sounds a lovely spec and similar to the white South Wales car which has been for sale since Christmas for 138k, this white one isn’t so leggy in the miles mind as it only got a 1000 or so last time I checked.

Yep we have covered this car numerous times.

£20k premium for a fairly lowly specced steel braked car.

Btw ceramic braked gen 2s sell in excess of the option cost over the steel braked cars the latter of which are a hard sell.

[isaldiri]

blackmamba said:

How about you show us proof of the p/x offers you claim to have received for or should we assume you are making it up without a certified and witnessed offer letter?

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

GT4RS said:

av185 said:

blackmamba said:

av185 said:

It is interesting that it is no surprise that no-one as yet has provided proof of these imaginary cars being for sale at the imaginary bargain prices they claim, as expected.

But we have, of course, heard all these wild armchair claims before.

It’s a private forum so I can’t provide a link but here are the details. Just because you don’t want to believe something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

“2017 67 GT Silver, 918 buckets, carbon interior pack, extended leather, Bose, rear camera, front lift. Looks stunning in silver, really suits the dark air intakes and lines.

No outstanding finance, car is in perfect condition, only 3700 miles. I won't advertise it elsewhere, I'll just offer it to trade, but before I do... £135k to PGT!“

I believe there were no takers and the car was traded. You might want to review the p/x prices you have been offered as I doubt anyone in the trade will be looking to buy in stock at those prices.

So from the vague info you have given and the fact that as I thought and now confirmed there is no link this is an early reg fairly basic car with above average mileage (for a gen 2 GT3), no details on number of owners ( could be 5...some are), no details on transmission, no detail on brakes (probably steels which as we all know hugely affects the price), no details on otr list price (could be £115k), no details on exact condition, no details whether it is even a UK C16 car, and you have no details at what the car was traded at.

So quite meaningless until these details are substantiated.

Ref your wild assertion about not buying stock at the price I quoted without you even knowing the exact spec of mine we have seen many times the best cars sell at the best prices trade or retail which really is not rocket science.

Without sounding rude but if you think a car with a total of 3700 miles from new is classed as above average mileage for a 2017 plate car you need to go and sit in the corner and have a good chat with yourself!

Without sounding rude if you read my post properly you will see I qualified it by saying it is high mileage (for a gen 2 GT3).

Without sounding rude 3800 miles is not high milage for a 2017 991.2 gt3... !

Is the world going mad? I thought these cars were bought to be driven and enjoyed, to many are worried about using and putting mileage on these sorts of cars which defeats the object IMO.

Each to their own I guess.

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

GT4RS said:

FocusRS3 said:

Allow me-

Since i've had people asking, the full spec is...

U2 GT Silver Metallic
78 Black leather interior package
7X9 Reversing camera
486 6-speed GT sports manual transmission
474 Front axle lift system
431 20-inch 911 GT3 wheels
P11 Full bucket seats
EKG Carbon interior package (with leather interior)
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
It has the tracker / Porsche connect etc all activated which can all be transferred plus of course the warranty which is fully transferable.
I have an indoor car cover for it included.

Sounds a lovely spec and similar to the white South Wales car which has been for sale since Christmas for 138k, this white one isn’t so leggy in the miles mind as it only got a 1000 or so last time I checked.

Yep we have covered this car numerous times.

£20k premium for a fairly lowly specced steel braked car.

Btw ceramic braked gen 2s sell in excess of the option cost over the steel braked cars the latter of which are a hard sell.

I wouldn’t class it as a low spec car, it would of been over £120k new and they have only been asking close to 18k over list for the best part of 5 months. Clearly OPC centres are only interested in buying if it’s a bargain at list or below or if there’s plenty of cash in the new car you are buying of them at the time.

I’m shocked it hasn’t sold.

Don’t get the ceramic / steel brake argument, I have only owned steel brakes cars and never have any of my Porsche’s felt under brakes for my standard of driving.

[imycool]

FocusRS3 said:

Allow me-

Since i've had people asking, the full spec is...

U2 GT Silver Metallic
78 Black leather interior package
7X9 Reversing camera
486 6-speed GT sports manual transmission
474 Front axle lift system
431 20-inch 911 GT3 wheels
P11 Full bucket seats
EKG Carbon interior package (with leather interior)
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System
It has the tracker / Porsche connect etc all activated which can all be transferred plus of course the warranty which is fully transferable.
I have an indoor car cover for it included.

How does this equate to a 30k loss due soleley to the mileage? Lower mileage similarly speced cars go for similar money.

Lets forget the speculation around this car..... there's plenty listed on AutoTrader. Can you show us an example of a 30k difference on .2 gt3, with similar spec but 5k more mileage ?

[av185]

GT4RS said:

I wouldn’t class it as a low spec car, it would of been over £120k new and they have only been asking close to 18k over list for the best part of 5 months. Clearly OPC centres are only interested in buying if it’s a bargain at list or below or if there’s plenty of cash in the new car you are buying of them at the time.

I’m shocked it hasn’t sold.

Don’t get the ceramic / steel brake argument, I have only owned steel brakes cars and never have any of my Porsche’s felt under brakes for my standard of driving.

The figures I quoted were from two separate OPCs I deal with who contacted me out of the blue for an outright purchase of my car and neither was on the basis of me taking another car or trinket such as a £10k Porsche watch lol.

As for the car you refer to again we have already established several times this is a £118k otr car so £20k premium. As to why it hasn't sold it could be for any number of reasons perhaps a non UK car but as it has steels this is a killer on gen 2s as the UV gen1 GT3RS at JZM which sold at around £25k less than similar ceramic braked cars at the time has already proved.

I repeat, correct spec is essential on these cars.

I agree when you say steel braked cars (even on GT Porsches ) never feel underbraked but this is not the point. The market demands pccbs on a gen 2 GT3 just like it wont generally pay more for pccbs on a GT4. Any gen 2 GT3 without pccbs must be heavily discounted and these are why these steel braked cars appear at much lower prices which is what we are seeing with the cases quoted.

[Taffy66]

I know the owner of the white one for sale in South Wales if its the same one as last year..It cost £119K new and has been well cared for and not driven hard..The problem might be that it has the folding buckets rather than the LWBS..I like the folding myself but according to my SA its much tougher to sell a GT3 with folding compared to one with LWBS..
I don't get it myself as i like both seats equally but that's the market for you.

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

GT4RS said:

I wouldn’t class it as a low spec car, it would of been over £120k new and they have only been asking close to 18k over list for the best part of 5 months. Clearly OPC centres are only interested in buying if it’s a bargain at list or below or if there’s plenty of cash in the new car you are buying of them at the time.

I’m shocked it hasn’t sold.

Don’t get the ceramic / steel brake argument, I have only owned steel brakes cars and never have any of my Porsche’s felt under brakes for my standard of driving.

The figures I quoted were from two separate OPCs I deal with who contacted me out of the blue for an outright purchase of my car and neither was on the basis of me taking another car or trinket such as a £10k Porsche watch lol.

As for the car you refer to again we have already established several times this is a £118k otr car so £20k premium. As to why it hasn't sold it could be for any number of reasons perhaps a non UK car but as it has steels this is a killer on gen 2s as the UV gen1 GT3RS at JZM which sold at around £25k less than similar ceramic braked cars at the time has already proved.

I repeat, correct spec is essential on these cars.

I agree when you say steel braked cars (even on GT Porsches ) never feel underbraked but this is not the point. The market demands pccbs on a gen 2 GT3 just like it wont generally pay more for pccbs on a GT4. Any gen 2 GT3 without pccbs must be heavily discounted and these are why these steel braked cars appear at much lower prices which is what we are seeing with the cases quoted.

We have discussed this before the cars not imported it’s a genuine Uk car supplied new by OPC Cardiff.

I’m not disagreeing correct spec is essential, but what you class as a correct spec could / would be total different to another buyer. As you say ceramic brakes on a gt4 don’t really carry much of a premium anymore IMO the same is happening on GT3 cars, there a nice to have to get the deal done as long as the cars priced right.

It’s shown over the last 6 months these cars need to be priced competitively with a reasonable spec to stand any chance of selling. Selling a car for overs is a tough game for many at the moment and traders / dealers and flippers are aware of this.

Are you thinking of selling your gt3, if so what do you fancy changing it to? Tough choice as it’s a great car for the money.

[nw942]

GT4RS said:

We have discussed this before the cars not imported it’s a genuine Uk car supplied new by OPC Cardiff.

I’m not disagreeing correct spec is essential, but what you class as a correct spec could / would be total different to another buyer. As you say ceramic brakes on a gt4 don’t really carry much of a premium anymore IMO the same is happening on GT3 cars, there a nice to have to get the deal done as long as the cars priced right.

It’s shown over the last 6 months these cars need to be priced competitively with a reasonable spec to stand any chance of selling. Selling a car for overs is a tough game for many at the moment and traders / dealers and flippers are aware of this.

Are you thinking of selling your gt3, if so what do you fancy changing it to? Tough choice as it’s a great car for the money.

Any reason he doesn't SOR it through Cardiff OPC? Clearly he'll get less, but have more chance of sellling it.

And he'll stay in the game for the next car (assuming he wants to).

[av185]

GT4RS said:

I’m not disagreeing correct spec is essential, but what you class as a correct spec could / would be total different to another buyer. As you say ceramic brakes on a gt4 don’t really carry much of a premium anymore IMO the same is happening on GT3 cars

I am talking about the correct spec for the general market for GT3s, not the individual buyer.

A prime example is the low mileage Miami blue GT3 with red stitching and steel brakes at SC OPC. Fine, spec your car how you want for what you want I have no problem with that. Buts it's not the smartest move to spec it with clashing red stitching with the the blue simply to go with the red steel brakes which are a killer anyway if you intend to flip the car. And that's why its hung around.

Another example but not quite so onerous is the older folding buckets in the gen 2 GT3 as Taffy rightly points out. Great seats and I have them heated also in my Spyder for which they are perfectly suited (no cost option too which is always a plus!). But most buyers of the gen 2 GT3 demand the newer more contemporary and lower positioned carbon faced buckets which look far cooler. And that's why a car with the older seats is generally worth less £.

As for mine it's a keeper as like I say imo this car is the sweet spot in Ps lineup and on a different level to the gen 1 and fairly irreplaceable at the money especially in 'manuel' form.