What’s the right price for a 991.2 GT3 ?
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jameshc said:
MB painted cage looks great, was this a factory option?
I collect the Romans car up next week, pretty much perfect for me and will replace my current GT4.
Can the seat inserts be replaced at a sensible cost?
Thanks
Getting the cage painted aftermarket is easy. Best call is a good indy - Parr did the cage on my UV 991.1 RS. Re seat inserts, give dave at classic FX a call. He has the OEM hounds tooth as well as multiple other choices and all under 1000 for both seats.I collect the Romans car up next week, pretty much perfect for me and will replace my current GT4.
Can the seat inserts be replaced at a sensible cost?
Thanks
detee said:
IREvans said:
av185 said:
Don't accept stupid money for your T they sell very well. Unsurprising considering only 174 UK cars very few of which are the 'correct' lightweight spec.
I put mine back into my OPC and it sold SOR within 3 days at just £5k under list £ (18 18 2k miles 'manuel' basic spec comfort seats except T pack lightweight glass pcm etc).
Give it a couple of years and these will be a future classic imo ( similar to the 997 GTS) especially bearing in mind they are the last of the narrow bodied Carreras and are very similar to the 997.1 in many respects including sound. Punters are slowly latching onto this and as a package at the money they are great value.
I loved my Carrera T, and actually preferred it over a 991.2 GTS which I had just before it...I put mine back into my OPC and it sold SOR within 3 days at just £5k under list £ (18 18 2k miles 'manuel' basic spec comfort seats except T pack lightweight glass pcm etc).
Give it a couple of years and these will be a future classic imo ( similar to the 997 GTS) especially bearing in mind they are the last of the narrow bodied Carreras and are very similar to the 997.1 in many respects including sound. Punters are slowly latching onto this and as a package at the money they are great value.
I'm reading on this thread, a fair bit about: Numbers of past owners, crucial spec, and prices etc, so here's my two pence:
Generally speaking gen 2 models of anything Porsche often improve on any less strong areas that come to light from gen 1s.
So - 5 years ago I planned ahead, patiently waiting on a LOI lodged with my OPC for a 991 GT3.2 - having bought several new Porsches from them previously. I was hopeful for an allocation. But I didn't make the cut...
So I did the maths. I concluded; ticking all the OPC’s boxes does not stack up against buying an overs car. A shame when you have a particular spec in mind, but ces't la vie.
Now, because the car market typically plateaus around September, tending to dip until the end of the year, I started hunting for an overs GT3 around September 2018. Once I had a degree of feel for the available cars on the market, by the end of October I became more serious. Like everyone here, I could reasonably see which cars were sticking and which were moving and why. This played to my personal requirements because I wanted a comfort spec and they were fetching less money. Initially my difficulty was finding a comfort spec at all ! (They don’t appear to be as common as when I owned my 997 GT3.) And in particular, finding a 'high spec version' of one, in an acceptable colour made it harder.
I need the car for the road - not the track. I also need the space behind the seats, and I need it for trips, and weekend use.
So PCCBs, and non-folding seats were not something I wanted to pay for.
Eventually, in December, I found a 2018 car with just a few hundred miles. It ticked enough boxes, and was a £127.5K spec (exc. £2K tax.)
But the car had already had 2 previous owners, the first being a known celebrity. And because of this the car was briefly in the name of a second keeper.
All these circumstances came together, allowing me (eventually) to buy the car for just 5K overs.
I know my car is not as valuable as those in the 'ideal spec.' But, what I would say; is that for those of us who want the car for a specific purpose - the ‘right spec for one’ may not be the ‘right spec for another.’ And since I will keep this car for several years, it must be right for me. Sometimes less than perfect specs can be opportunities too...
My expectation is putting miles on my car will cost me some depreciation, but you know? Life is too short, and it's nice knowing I'm having a little more fun than in a regular Carrera - which would probably be loosing me a little more money...
So guys, don't get too hooked on values, number of owners, and spec - just enjoy this truly fabulous car in whatever guise suits you.
Oh yes - and drive it !
Generally speaking gen 2 models of anything Porsche often improve on any less strong areas that come to light from gen 1s.
So - 5 years ago I planned ahead, patiently waiting on a LOI lodged with my OPC for a 991 GT3.2 - having bought several new Porsches from them previously. I was hopeful for an allocation. But I didn't make the cut...
So I did the maths. I concluded; ticking all the OPC’s boxes does not stack up against buying an overs car. A shame when you have a particular spec in mind, but ces't la vie.
Now, because the car market typically plateaus around September, tending to dip until the end of the year, I started hunting for an overs GT3 around September 2018. Once I had a degree of feel for the available cars on the market, by the end of October I became more serious. Like everyone here, I could reasonably see which cars were sticking and which were moving and why. This played to my personal requirements because I wanted a comfort spec and they were fetching less money. Initially my difficulty was finding a comfort spec at all ! (They don’t appear to be as common as when I owned my 997 GT3.) And in particular, finding a 'high spec version' of one, in an acceptable colour made it harder.
I need the car for the road - not the track. I also need the space behind the seats, and I need it for trips, and weekend use.
So PCCBs, and non-folding seats were not something I wanted to pay for.
Eventually, in December, I found a 2018 car with just a few hundred miles. It ticked enough boxes, and was a £127.5K spec (exc. £2K tax.)
But the car had already had 2 previous owners, the first being a known celebrity. And because of this the car was briefly in the name of a second keeper.
All these circumstances came together, allowing me (eventually) to buy the car for just 5K overs.
I know my car is not as valuable as those in the 'ideal spec.' But, what I would say; is that for those of us who want the car for a specific purpose - the ‘right spec for one’ may not be the ‘right spec for another.’ And since I will keep this car for several years, it must be right for me. Sometimes less than perfect specs can be opportunities too...
My expectation is putting miles on my car will cost me some depreciation, but you know? Life is too short, and it's nice knowing I'm having a little more fun than in a regular Carrera - which would probably be loosing me a little more money...
So guys, don't get too hooked on values, number of owners, and spec - just enjoy this truly fabulous car in whatever guise suits you.
Oh yes - and drive it !
Edited by notsomadmick on Sunday 1st September 16:04
notsomadmick said:
I'm reading on this thread, a fair bit about: Numbers of past owners, crucial spec, and prices etc, so here's my two pence:
Generally speaking gen 2 models of anything Porsche often improve on any less strong areas that come to light from gen 1s.
So - 5 years ago I planned ahead, patiently waiting on a LOI lodged with my OPC for a 991 GT3.2 - having bought several new Porsches from them previously. I was hopeful for an allocation. But I didn't make the cut...
So I did the maths. I concluded; ticking all the OPC’s boxes does not stack up against buying an overs car. A shame when you have a particular spec in mind, but ces't la vie.
Now, because the car market typically plateaus around September, tending to dip until the end of the year, I started hunting for an overs GT3 around September 2018. Once I had a degree of feel for the available cars on the market, by the end of October I became more serious. Like everyone here, I could reasonably see which cars were sticking and which were moving and why. This played to my personal requirements because I wanted a comfort spec and they were fetching less money. Initially my difficulty was finding a comfort spec at all ! (They don’t appear to be as common as when I owned my 997 GT3.) And in particular, finding a 'high spec version' of one, in an acceptable colour made it harder.
I need the car for the road - not the track. I also need the space behind the seats, and I need it for trips, and weekend use.
So PCCBs, and non-folding seats were not something I wanted to pay for.
Eventually, in December, I found a 2018 car with just a few hundred miles. It ticked enough boxes, and was a £127.5K spec (exc. £2K tax.)
But the car had already had 2 previous owners, the first being a known celebrity. And because of this the car was briefly in the name of a second keeper.
All these circumstances came together, allowing me (eventually) to buy the car for just 5K overs.
I know my car is not as valuable as those in the 'ideal spec.' But, what I would say; is that for those of us who want the car for a specific purpose - the ‘right spec for one’ may not be the ‘right spec for another.’ And since I will keep this car for several years, it must be right for me. Sometimes less than perfect specs can be opportunities too...
My expectation is putting miles on my car will cost me some depreciation, but you know? Life is too short, and it's nice knowing I'm having a little more fun than in a regular Carrera - which would probably be loosing me a little more money...
So guys, don't get too hooked on values, number of owners, and spec - just enjoy this truly fabulous car in whatever guise suits you.
Oh yes - and drive it !
Amen.Generally speaking gen 2 models of anything Porsche often improve on any less strong areas that come to light from gen 1s.
So - 5 years ago I planned ahead, patiently waiting on a LOI lodged with my OPC for a 991 GT3.2 - having bought several new Porsches from them previously. I was hopeful for an allocation. But I didn't make the cut...
So I did the maths. I concluded; ticking all the OPC’s boxes does not stack up against buying an overs car. A shame when you have a particular spec in mind, but ces't la vie.
Now, because the car market typically plateaus around September, tending to dip until the end of the year, I started hunting for an overs GT3 around September 2018. Once I had a degree of feel for the available cars on the market, by the end of October I became more serious. Like everyone here, I could reasonably see which cars were sticking and which were moving and why. This played to my personal requirements because I wanted a comfort spec and they were fetching less money. Initially my difficulty was finding a comfort spec at all ! (They don’t appear to be as common as when I owned my 997 GT3.) And in particular, finding a 'high spec version' of one, in an acceptable colour made it harder.
I need the car for the road - not the track. I also need the space behind the seats, and I need it for trips, and weekend use.
So PCCBs, and non-folding seats were not something I wanted to pay for.
Eventually, in December, I found a 2018 car with just a few hundred miles. It ticked enough boxes, and was a £127.5K spec (exc. £2K tax.)
But the car had already had 2 previous owners, the first being a known celebrity. And because of this the car was briefly in the name of a second keeper.
All these circumstances came together, allowing me (eventually) to buy the car for just 5K overs.
I know my car is not as valuable as those in the 'ideal spec.' But, what I would say; is that for those of us who want the car for a specific purpose - the ‘right spec for one’ may not be the ‘right spec for another.’ And since I will keep this car for several years, it must be right for me. Sometimes less than perfect specs can be opportunities too...
My expectation is putting miles on my car will cost me some depreciation, but you know? Life is too short, and it's nice knowing I'm having a little more fun than in a regular Carrera - which would probably be loosing me a little more money...
So guys, don't get too hooked on values, number of owners, and spec - just enjoy this truly fabulous car in whatever guise suits you.
Oh yes - and drive it !
Edited by notsomadmick on Sunday 1st September 16:04
[quote=notsomadmick]I'm reading on this thread, a fair bit about: Numbers of past owners, crucial spec, and prices etc, so here's my two pence:
Generally speaking gen 2 models of anything Porsche often improve on any less strong areas that come to light from gen 1s.
So - 5 years ago I planned ahead, patiently waiting on a LOI lodged with my OPC for a 991 GT3.2 - having bought several new Porsches from them previously. I was hopeful for an allocation. But I didn't make the cut...
So I did the maths. I concluded; ticking all the OPC’s boxes does not stack up against buying an overs car. A shame when you have a particular spec in mind, but ces't la vie.
Now, because the car market typically plateaus around September, tending to dip until the end of the year, I started hunting for an overs GT3 around September 2018. Once I had a degree of feel for the available cars on the market, by the end of October I became more serious. Like everyone here, I could reasonably see which cars were sticking and which were moving and why. This played to my personal requirements because I wanted a comfort spec and they were fetching less money. Initially my difficulty was finding a comfort spec at all ! (They don’t appear to be as common as when I owned my 997 GT3.) And in particular, finding a 'high spec version' of one, in an acceptable colour made it harder.
I need the car for the road - not the track. I also need the space behind the seats, and I need it for trips, and weekend use.
So PCCBs, and non-folding seats were not something I wanted to pay for.
Eventually, in December, I found a 2018 car with just a few hundred miles. It ticked enough boxes, and was a £127.5K spec (exc. £2K tax.)
But the car had already had 2 previous owners, the first being a known celebrity. And because of this the car was briefly in the name of a second keeper.
All these circumstances came together, allowing me (eventually) to buy the car for just 5K overs.
I know my car is not as valuable as those in the 'ideal spec.' But, what I would say; is that for those of us who want the car for a specific purpose - the ‘right spec for one’ may not be the ‘right spec for another.’ And since I will keep this car for several years, it must be right for me. Sometimes less than perfect specs can be opportunities too...
My expectation is putting miles on my car will cost me some depreciation, but you know? Life is too short, and it's nice knowing I'm having a little more fun than in a regular Carrera - which would probably be loosing me a little more money...
So guys, don't get too hooked on values, number of owners, and spec - just enjoy this truly fabulous car in whatever guise suits you.
Oh yes - and drive it !
This is great advice and thank you for posting. I have come round to that way of thinking, I have supported one dealer and it would have been cheaper to just pay overs. Plus as you say I would have driven the car I actually wanted. Some nervous OPC's out there that wont even buy GT3's outright at the minute.
Generally speaking gen 2 models of anything Porsche often improve on any less strong areas that come to light from gen 1s.
So - 5 years ago I planned ahead, patiently waiting on a LOI lodged with my OPC for a 991 GT3.2 - having bought several new Porsches from them previously. I was hopeful for an allocation. But I didn't make the cut...
So I did the maths. I concluded; ticking all the OPC’s boxes does not stack up against buying an overs car. A shame when you have a particular spec in mind, but ces't la vie.
Now, because the car market typically plateaus around September, tending to dip until the end of the year, I started hunting for an overs GT3 around September 2018. Once I had a degree of feel for the available cars on the market, by the end of October I became more serious. Like everyone here, I could reasonably see which cars were sticking and which were moving and why. This played to my personal requirements because I wanted a comfort spec and they were fetching less money. Initially my difficulty was finding a comfort spec at all ! (They don’t appear to be as common as when I owned my 997 GT3.) And in particular, finding a 'high spec version' of one, in an acceptable colour made it harder.
I need the car for the road - not the track. I also need the space behind the seats, and I need it for trips, and weekend use.
So PCCBs, and non-folding seats were not something I wanted to pay for.
Eventually, in December, I found a 2018 car with just a few hundred miles. It ticked enough boxes, and was a £127.5K spec (exc. £2K tax.)
But the car had already had 2 previous owners, the first being a known celebrity. And because of this the car was briefly in the name of a second keeper.
All these circumstances came together, allowing me (eventually) to buy the car for just 5K overs.
I know my car is not as valuable as those in the 'ideal spec.' But, what I would say; is that for those of us who want the car for a specific purpose - the ‘right spec for one’ may not be the ‘right spec for another.’ And since I will keep this car for several years, it must be right for me. Sometimes less than perfect specs can be opportunities too...
My expectation is putting miles on my car will cost me some depreciation, but you know? Life is too short, and it's nice knowing I'm having a little more fun than in a regular Carrera - which would probably be loosing me a little more money...
So guys, don't get too hooked on values, number of owners, and spec - just enjoy this truly fabulous car in whatever guise suits you.
Oh yes - and drive it !
This is great advice and thank you for posting. I have come round to that way of thinking, I have supported one dealer and it would have been cheaper to just pay overs. Plus as you say I would have driven the car I actually wanted. Some nervous OPC's out there that wont even buy GT3's outright at the minute.
I sold my GT3 back to my OPC when i picked up my new 992..I only let it go when i found i had a new RS allocation..I was fortunate as they gave me what i paid for the GT3 new including the £2K showroom tax..My GT3 had 2.6K miles when i sold it..If i was doing that same deal today i'd be astonished if i would still get list for it..Its a real buyers market right now especially on high end cars.
Taffy66 said:
I sold my GT3 back to my OPC when i picked up my new 992..I only let it go when i found i had a new RS allocation..I was fortunate as they gave me what i paid for the GT3 new including the £2K showroom tax..My GT3 had 2.6K miles when i sold it..If i was doing that same deal today i'd be astonished if i would still get list for it..Its a real buyers market right now especially on high end cars.
I guess it depends what you want spec wise as we have tourings, CS, PDK and manuals, if you pick a colour and spec cars are thin on the ground really.in the main cars are still £15k overs, unless you get a lucky buy like the Redline car at list, but one has to be quick then as they sell the same day.
Well prices keep dropping. A Clubsport yellow GT3 at Mid-Sussex has dropped now to 139k which must be close to list. It seems that the OPC cars are now cheaper than the independents with the exception of Redline's Miami Blue one and congrats to the new owner. Right spec and right price.
Denno B said:
It has taken 6 years for some gen 1 examples to dip below £100k, can we expect the same to apply to the gen 2? Or would they be expected to hold better with the improved engine?
Most gen 1 cars have hung around for sometime, even priced at 100k and below. Great spec gen 2 cars can be had for list already, normally car depreciation is back and there are far to many Porsche gt cars for sale to meet the used demand. Buy to enjoy not to make money imo.
GT4RS said:
Most gen 1 cars have hung around for sometime, even priced at 100k and below.
Great spec gen 2 cars can be had for list already.
As we have discussed many times before it depends on the car.Great spec gen 2 cars can be had for list already.
One Miami car doth not a market make.
Several good spec and reasonable mileage gen 1s have sold over list in the past month.
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