What’s the right price for a 991.2 GT3 ?
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GT4RS said:
franki68 said:
GT4RS said:
Av185 you are incorrect
I don’t often agree with a lot of what he says but he is right on this unless my eyes have gone funny .It’s 15% on any amount under 200k ,12.5% on any amount over 200k.
So if it was 220k you would pay 15% on 200k and 12.5% on 20k
So any car under 200k is subject to 15% as has been demonstrAted elsewhere.
franki68 said:
You’re not reading it right if you still think you Are correct.15% on the first 200k then it drops to 12% on any figure over 200k.
So any car under 200k is subject to 15% as has been demonstrAted elsewhere.
Agree. Whoever said the total cost was £118k including VAT was right.So any car under 200k is subject to 15% as has been demonstrAted elsewhere.
Desert Dragon said:
Wrong of Mcl to do that to any Mcl new or used car buyer but especially to someone who just bought one of their brand new halo super series products. Not only will your contact now more than likely not purchase a new Mclaren again but anecdotal evidence like this completely puts the rest of potential new Mcl purchasers off too hence the current Mcl market..... do this enough and the brand will not recover. Beggars belief that owners have to deal with technical issues on top of the financial issues. Just adds insult to injury.
I was chatting to a Senna owner at Spa and his car breaks. The result? He has basically suggested he works through the issues with them. He does a track day, breaks it, then McLaren takes away and plays with it, and repeat.He is basically paying to be their R&D. Ridiculous, yes he seemed perfectly happy being his suggestion.
However, financially speaking, I can't say McLarens are the only ones suffering with depreciation - I'd say my Performante has lost £100,000 and may go down further. Fortunately I don't need to sell, but I'm hoping it is more to do with the economic climate rather than the car itself.
Desert Dragon said:
GT4RS said:
Desert Dragon said:
Who cares debating re £3k? Not really material. I think its fair to say these cars are £10k-£15k behind list in trade today irrespective of spec.
If I’m being honest if it wasn’t for AV185 posting style I wouldn’t of even bothered replying. Desert Dragon I think you hit the nail on the head saying these cars are now 10k to 15k behind list trade value wise. Will a certain poster agree with your comment, I very much doubt it.
A 2015 650s Coupe with 5000 miles in Orange just gone up in classifieds at Bentley main dealer at #86k. List price circa #280k - sort of put things in perspective
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Is this the beginning?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
thelostboy said:
I was chatting to a Senna owner at Spa and his car breaks. The result? He has basically suggested he works through the issues with them. He does a track day, breaks it, then McLaren takes away and plays with it, and repeat.
He is basically paying to be their R&D. Ridiculous, yes he seemed perfectly happy being his suggestion.
Using customers to do beta testing is not only bad for the brand, but is also, actually very expensive.He is basically paying to be their R&D. Ridiculous, yes he seemed perfectly happy being his suggestion.
If the manufacturer runs tests, they do so in controlled environments and at scheduled times. Testing in the field often throws up faults that can be hard to track, because the customer is not (and cannot be expected to) in control of all the parameters of the test and is not in any way able to fully log the details of any failure.
This aside from costs relating to potential brand damage or litigation.
Digga said:
Using customers to do beta testing is not only bad for the brand, but is also, actually very expensive.
If the manufacturer runs tests, they do so in controlled environments and at scheduled times. Testing in the field often throws up faults that can be hard to track, because the customer is not (and cannot be expected to) in control of all the parameters of the test and is not in any way able to fully log the details of any failure.
This aside from costs relating to potential brand damage or litigation.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.If the manufacturer runs tests, they do so in controlled environments and at scheduled times. Testing in the field often throws up faults that can be hard to track, because the customer is not (and cannot be expected to) in control of all the parameters of the test and is not in any way able to fully log the details of any failure.
This aside from costs relating to potential brand damage or litigation.
993rsr said:
Desert Dragon said:
GT4RS said:
Desert Dragon said:
Who cares debating re £3k? Not really material. I think its fair to say these cars are £10k-£15k behind list in trade today irrespective of spec.
If I’m being honest if it wasn’t for AV185 posting style I wouldn’t of even bothered replying. Desert Dragon I think you hit the nail on the head saying these cars are now 10k to 15k behind list trade value wise. Will a certain poster agree with your comment, I very much doubt it.
A 2015 650s Coupe with 5000 miles in Orange just gone up in classifieds at Bentley main dealer at #86k. List price circa #280k - sort of put things in perspective
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Is this the beginning?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Taffy66 said:
Digga said:
Using customers to do beta testing is not only bad for the brand, but is also, actually very expensive.
If the manufacturer runs tests, they do so in controlled environments and at scheduled times. Testing in the field often throws up faults that can be hard to track, because the customer is not (and cannot be expected to) in control of all the parameters of the test and is not in any way able to fully log the details of any failure.
This aside from costs relating to potential brand damage or litigation.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.If the manufacturer runs tests, they do so in controlled environments and at scheduled times. Testing in the field often throws up faults that can be hard to track, because the customer is not (and cannot be expected to) in control of all the parameters of the test and is not in any way able to fully log the details of any failure.
This aside from costs relating to potential brand damage or litigation.
JulierPass said:
You’re right and it’s a crying shame. I silent a day in a friends 600LT at Spa and they are incredible drivers cars. It’s unbelievable that they have theses issues when the product is fundamentally very good.
The 600LT you enjoyed at Spa wasn't a Cerulean blue one by any chance with Senna seats and all the Carbon options.Taffy66 said:
JulierPass said:
You’re right and it’s a crying shame. I silent a day in a friends 600LT at Spa and they are incredible drivers cars. It’s unbelievable that they have theses issues when the product is fundamentally very good.
The 600LT you enjoyed at Spa wasn't a Cerulean blue one by any chance with Senna seats and all the Carbon options.Taffy66 said:
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.
They might well appreciate then.cayman-black said:
Taffy66 said:
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.
They might well appreciate then. MAC 720S gets very upset!Juno said:
cayman-black said:
Taffy66 said:
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.
They might well appreciate then. MAC 720S gets very upset!
Taffy66 said:
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.
But you don't have any direct experience of ownership in order 'not to be surprised at the slightest' that they fall in value either right?There's a lot of mud constantly slung at Mclaren it seems, primarily due to the well, rather steep let's just say, decline in value but fundamentally the cars do, and always have, drive very very well and the 675/600LTs are as good as any other modern sports car imo whether any form of 991 RS or 458/488. Quality control is and has been a major issue for Mclaren but that also comes from having to continually ramp up production as they aren't SUV makers with a sideline in sports car production (as Porsche effectively are).
I'm not in any way making excuses for Mclaren as they certainly do have plenty of issues that they seemingly refuse to actually want to sort out but the Mclaren owning experience isn't necessarily all bad as always seem to be made out here.
2010spy said:
Good question. Baffled me too, because it most definitely is not a Touring spec car but rather the regular GT3.
Taffy66 said:
Digga said:
Using customers to do beta testing is not only bad for the brand, but is also, actually very expensive.
If the manufacturer runs tests, they do so in controlled environments and at scheduled times. Testing in the field often throws up faults that can be hard to track, because the customer is not (and cannot be expected to) in control of all the parameters of the test and is not in any way able to fully log the details of any failure.
This aside from costs relating to potential brand damage or litigation.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.If the manufacturer runs tests, they do so in controlled environments and at scheduled times. Testing in the field often throws up faults that can be hard to track, because the customer is not (and cannot be expected to) in control of all the parameters of the test and is not in any way able to fully log the details of any failure.
This aside from costs relating to potential brand damage or litigation.
1 The wealth behind mclaren.
2 The directive from the middle east is a tough one
3 They are selling more cars than ever
4 The best road car i have driven,porsche no wear near it
5 PH is not the oracle on mclaren,ph is a very very small world and the problem with www. Can be very damaging.
6 Mclaren are a new company
7 Just imagine what s
t porsche , ferrari and lambo were making when they first started,let alone the brilliance of the mclaren road range.8 Its british,be positive.
Sadly depreciation is a problem and a real shame,Quality control has issues,so does every other Manufacturer.
I am now out of my maca at the moment,but it was a great car and reliable,with big bhp and lighter than most other cars.
The testing they do is quite exhausting,a lot of testing is far from controlled environments,i am sure they will get all things right some day.
Digga said:
2010spy said:
Good question. Baffled me too, because it most definitely is not a Touring spec car but rather the regular GT3.IMI A said:
Juno said:
cayman-black said:
Taffy66 said:
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that new McLarens collapse in value as soon as they leave the showroom..If they don't totally reappraise their business practice and bearing in mind the added political uncertainty, coupled with a global slowdown, it won't surprise me that there will be no McLaren Automotive in five years time.
They might well appreciate then. MAC 720S gets very upset!
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