991.2 GT3 RS batch '2' GPF?
Discussion
Taffy66 said:
Juno said:
I put my initial deposit in for a GT3/RS in 2015 and am still trying to secure a winning lottery ticket for allocation, please direct me to this mountain of accessible cars!
My OPC are too professional to take a deposit on a car unless they could 100% guarantee an allocation..I was only asked to place my RS deposit when i had a confirmed allocation..Porsche have never pumped so many gt cars out in there history,rare they are not,whats going to happen to all the unsold and unused cars sat around,the only way to move them will be to drop the botom out !
I had some d—k text me the other day are you still looking for a gt3 tour?never have been!380 to 400k for a gt2 is just plain silly,plenty around again unused,and flippers are already starting on the latest gt3rs.
Best value fast sports car on the market at the moment is the maca 540/570.
Yellow491 said:
Taff you have been brainwashed mate,opc and proffesional does not match.
Porsche have never pumped so many gt cars out in there history,rare they are not,whats going to happen to all the unsold and unused cars sat around,the only way to move them will be to drop the botom out !
I had some d—k text me the other day are you still looking for a gt3 tour?never have been!380 to 400k for a gt2 is just plain silly,plenty around again unused,and flippers are already starting on the latest gt3rs.
Best value fast sports car on the market at the moment is the maca 540/570.
I meant not taking a cash deposit on a GT Porsche without a confirmed allocation..Porsche have never pumped so many gt cars out in there history,rare they are not,whats going to happen to all the unsold and unused cars sat around,the only way to move them will be to drop the botom out !
I had some d—k text me the other day are you still looking for a gt3 tour?never have been!380 to 400k for a gt2 is just plain silly,plenty around again unused,and flippers are already starting on the latest gt3rs.
Best value fast sports car on the market at the moment is the maca 540/570.
I agree with you regarding the greedy flippers...i just wish OPCs wouldn't have given them a slot in the first place as it tarnishes Porsche's image..
I also agree on the Macca 540/570 being fantastic value at around £100K...You can even buy the new 600LT with Senna seats for less than £190K with no miles..
DT398 said:
Cheib said:
Let’s face it...the chances of his circumstance changing so much in probably about aa month since he got allocation are unlikely. Probably going private to minimise the chances of getting caught. And I doubt the trade are being super punchy with bids....yes the first gen cars don’t have WP but they also don’t have GPF....don’t think it’s entirely obvious which will be the most sort after....the one that sounds better or the one that’s a bit lighter. Given where first gen cars are priced and the list price of a WP I wonder how much premium a trade buyer would pay for a WP car ?
That’s the cynical old b
d in me....
Sort of agree but you don’t mean “first gen” obviously as it’s just a second batch of the same gen with some options that are newly available and (probablly) a GPF. WP is a fashion accessory imho but I get why people will spec it, If you really wanted most of the performance benefits of the WP on a first batch car, just get a set of the mag wheels. The rest is bling. That’s the cynical old b
d in me....I would imagine it would be complicated (or maybe practically impossible) to remove the filter, so maybe the gap between first batch cars and WP cars with a filter won’t be as big as might be expected. Probably not the case for the low mileage garage queens and they’ll probably attract a premium but not sure about the difference between two well used cars, one from the first batch and one from the second with WP and filter. Apart from the fact one will be a year newer. All depends on the impact of the filter (if there is one) in terms of noise and weight. All imho, of course.
992 will be here soon of course and is certain to be an improvement.
Cheib said:
Indeed meant first batch! As you say it does depend on the impact of the filter but my guess is given how much emphasis there is on the sound of any Porsche that I think over time the first batch will be the cars people want.
It all depends on what the second batch will have IMO...I now only see two scenarios.1. Porsche are given a special dispensation from the EU to allow a small number of an existing limited model, ie RS to not require a GPF..Basically identical to first batch.
2. As i interpret the new Speedster's engine spec i believe if the RS has to be fitted with GPFs then it will also have six ITBs as Porsche have categorically stated that both were developed as a pair and not individually..
Scenario 1 is increasingly unlikely IMO which leaves the second option as more likely IMO..
If neither scenarios materialise and the second batch RS has the same internal engine as the first batch with just GPFs fitted then i agree that its the latter version which will be more highly regarded..
Come to think of it this is number 3 possibility which is confusing my admittedly rather feeble brain even further..
..Taffy66 said:
It all depends on what the second batch will have IMO...I now only see two scenarios.
1. Porsche are given a special dispensation from the EU to allow a small number of an existing limited model, ie RS to not require a GPF..Basically identical to first batch.
2. As i interpret the new Speedster's engine spec i believe if the RS has to be fitted with GPFs then it will also have six ITBs as Porsche have categorically stated that both were developed as a pair and not individually..
Scenario 1 is increasingly unlikely IMO which leaves the second option as more likely IMO..
If neither scenarios materialise and the second batch RS has the same internal engine as the first batch with just GPFs fitted then i agree that its the latter version which will be more highly regarded..
Come to think of it this is number 3 possibility which is confusing my admittedly rather feeble brain even further....
3. Same as first batch but with GPF and a remap1. Porsche are given a special dispensation from the EU to allow a small number of an existing limited model, ie RS to not require a GPF..Basically identical to first batch.
2. As i interpret the new Speedster's engine spec i believe if the RS has to be fitted with GPFs then it will also have six ITBs as Porsche have categorically stated that both were developed as a pair and not individually..
Scenario 1 is increasingly unlikely IMO which leaves the second option as more likely IMO..
If neither scenarios materialise and the second batch RS has the same internal engine as the first batch with just GPFs fitted then i agree that its the latter version which will be more highly regarded..
Come to think of it this is number 3 possibility which is confusing my admittedly rather feeble brain even further..
..That's the most likely IMHO, but the effect on power/torque/sound/mpg is as-yet unknown...
haven't been keeping an eye on the Porsche forums for a while so apologies if repost but just seen this in Autocar -
The new 911 Speedster’s heavily revised 4.0-litre flat-six engine will be carried over to future GT models as Porsche’s GT division persists with naturally aspirated engines.
GT boss Andreas Preuninger said: “We’ve invested in the future with this engine. I can’t comment on future projects but we would be stupid not to re-use this engine somewhere.
“Our philosophy in GT cars is to stay naturally aspirated. We want to keep that engine for the future and that’s why we’ve made such a tremendous effort to get the engine right without taking emotion and performance away.”
Preuninger declined to reveal which models would use the updated engine, but a strong likelihood is the next-generation GT3. Recently spied prototypes at the Nürburgring Nordschleife emitted the telltale wail of a high-revving engine free from turbocharging, adding further weight to the speculation.
The Speedster, a swansong for the 991 generation of the 911 priced from £211,599, uses the same powertrain as the outgoing GT3 but receives a host of updates
Chief among the updates, and in order to extend the regulatory life of this big-capacity direct-injection flat six, Porsche has fitted two sizeable petrol particulate filters – one integrated into the exhaust tract that exits each side of the block.
And yet owing to the use of thinner steel, nickel and soldering techniques rather than welding, the exhaust system now weighs 10kg less than before, despite the additional hardware. Power has also increased, from 493bhp to 503bhp, and continues to arrive at 8400rpm.
To achieve this with an engine that is not only cleaner but also suffers from an increase in exhaust back-pressure owing to the new filters is no mean feat.
The fuel-injection system now operates at 250bar rather than 200 for improved propagation, and each of the engine’s six cylinders now gets a dedicated throttle-body. The combined effect – but particularly due to the new throttle-bodies – is even sharper throttle response, says Porsche.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-g...
The new 911 Speedster’s heavily revised 4.0-litre flat-six engine will be carried over to future GT models as Porsche’s GT division persists with naturally aspirated engines.
GT boss Andreas Preuninger said: “We’ve invested in the future with this engine. I can’t comment on future projects but we would be stupid not to re-use this engine somewhere.
“Our philosophy in GT cars is to stay naturally aspirated. We want to keep that engine for the future and that’s why we’ve made such a tremendous effort to get the engine right without taking emotion and performance away.”
Preuninger declined to reveal which models would use the updated engine, but a strong likelihood is the next-generation GT3. Recently spied prototypes at the Nürburgring Nordschleife emitted the telltale wail of a high-revving engine free from turbocharging, adding further weight to the speculation.
The Speedster, a swansong for the 991 generation of the 911 priced from £211,599, uses the same powertrain as the outgoing GT3 but receives a host of updates
Chief among the updates, and in order to extend the regulatory life of this big-capacity direct-injection flat six, Porsche has fitted two sizeable petrol particulate filters – one integrated into the exhaust tract that exits each side of the block.
And yet owing to the use of thinner steel, nickel and soldering techniques rather than welding, the exhaust system now weighs 10kg less than before, despite the additional hardware. Power has also increased, from 493bhp to 503bhp, and continues to arrive at 8400rpm.
To achieve this with an engine that is not only cleaner but also suffers from an increase in exhaust back-pressure owing to the new filters is no mean feat.
The fuel-injection system now operates at 250bar rather than 200 for improved propagation, and each of the engine’s six cylinders now gets a dedicated throttle-body. The combined effect – but particularly due to the new throttle-bodies – is even sharper throttle response, says Porsche.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-g...
Juno said:
I’m with Taffy on this,why would they have two scenarios, doesn’t make sense!
And
If it were just a re map and GPF why did it take so long?
ITBs could be a Speedster USP for pricing and marketing reasons. The 981 GT4 supposedly had the 991.1 Carrera S engine but it wasn't exactly the same so I wouldn't assume anything.And
If it were just a re map and GPF why did it take so long?
The reason it's taken so long is that the original GPFs didn't work as intended so they had to be redesigned and re-positioned within the exhaust system.
Twinfan said:
ITBs could be a Speedster USP for pricing and marketing reasons. The 981 GT4 supposedly had the 991.1 Carrera S engine but it wasn't exactly the same so I wouldn't assume anything.
The reason it's taken so long is that the original GPFs didn't work as intended so they had to be redesigned and re-positioned within the exhaust system.
This is correct in that the GPF originally didn't work on the RS...Since then in a recent Total 911 magazine article. a Porsche factory insider stated categorically that the second batch RS's engine required so much internal changes they refer to it as the Generation 3 RS engine..The reason it's taken so long is that the original GPFs didn't work as intended so they had to be redesigned and re-positioned within the exhaust system.
If they'd been able to just fit a GPF and a simple ECU tune then this second batch RS would have been released months ago IMO.
Twinfan said:
Ha ha, me too! Why do you think I'm here in this thread?!
Same goes for the 718 GT4 thread for me
This speculating does nobody any harm whatsoever...However there are a couple of individuals who pop up on this thread from time to time seem to be taking our purely innocent speculative views as personal insults..Sad people IMO..Same goes for the 718 GT4 thread for me
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