Discussion
Taffy66 said:
The bonnet vents along with the roof mounted strakes were added very late in the development on the RS when the engineers discovered the hot air exiting the rads flew over the roof and entered the engine intakes and lost power. The 992GT3 RS overall design seems to have been constrained by a limited budget which also explains the increased kerb weight and same power as the 991RS.
This total obsession with increasing aero down force has heavily compromised the design just because they want to shave a few seconds off the Nordscheife lap time.
Its a poor design IMO and very colour sensitive as a result. Guards Red does it no favours but the White non Weissach car with either Green or Red livery/wheels looks much better as others above have said. The Weissach pack makes a very fussy design even fussier and at a hefty £25.5k for an insignificant 20kg weight saving.
I'd buy a White non WP RS and go to RPM and fit a set of BBS Magnesium rims
Limited budget?This total obsession with increasing aero down force has heavily compromised the design just because they want to shave a few seconds off the Nordscheife lap time.
Its a poor design IMO and very colour sensitive as a result. Guards Red does it no favours but the White non Weissach car with either Green or Red livery/wheels looks much better as others above have said. The Weissach pack makes a very fussy design even fussier and at a hefty £25.5k for an insignificant 20kg weight saving.
I'd buy a White non WP RS and go to RPM and fit a set of BBS Magnesium rims
Bespoke carbon doors, bespoke carbon bonnet, bespoke carbon arches... no sign of limited budget there pal...
larger platform on 992 (as per AP interview) was never going to be a 991 weight.
I quote you- This total obsession with increasing aero down force has heavily compromised the design just because they want to shave a few seconds off the Nordscheife lap time. You know the time then? best get you pop corn out & put your feet up for when its 'just a few seconds'
wenters said:
Hi All,
Has anyone received an allocation and paid a deposit for an RS yet?.....or are we all still hanging on to a promise whilst Porsche sort the numbers?
Waiting for good news here!
Put a deposit down a year ago; no allocation though dealer has gotten me my previous 3 RS.This is in Canada and they just do not know but expect it may be as late as 2024.Has anyone received an allocation and paid a deposit for an RS yet?.....or are we all still hanging on to a promise whilst Porsche sort the numbers?
Waiting for good news here!
MeisterH said:
Limited budget?
Bespoke carbon doors, bespoke carbon bonnet, bespoke carbon arches... no sign of limited budget there pal...
larger platform on 992 (as per AP interview) was never going to be a 991 weight.
I quote you- This total obsession with increasing aero down force has heavily compromised the design just because they want to shave a few seconds off the Nordscheife lap time. You know the time then? best get you pop corn out & put your feet up for when its 'just a few seconds'
991..2 RS WP has , most of those , CF wings , Bonnet , Roof , Roll bars , just not the doors Bespoke carbon doors, bespoke carbon bonnet, bespoke carbon arches... no sign of limited budget there pal...
larger platform on 992 (as per AP interview) was never going to be a 991 weight.
I quote you- This total obsession with increasing aero down force has heavily compromised the design just because they want to shave a few seconds off the Nordscheife lap time. You know the time then? best get you pop corn out & put your feet up for when its 'just a few seconds'
hunter 66 said:
991..2 RS WP has , most of those , CF wings , Bonnet , Roof , Roll bars , just not the doors
Why are you even talking about the 991.2 WP ??? totally irrelevant Saying they had limited Budget for the 992 RS is just not true and completely unjustified.
Watch the AP Interview, again if you've already watched, AP states they threw the tool box at the 992 RS , and he actually does not know what they can do to the Gen2 when it comes around.
It very quite on this Thread for the 3RS, i actually thought a lot did not have the appetite for the RS... But i know for a fact come the Ring lap time and this thread will go off the Richter scale, mostly with you lot banging on about how its 'the new tyres' that make it loads faster than the 991 3 RS
MeisterH said:
Watch the AP Interview, again if you've already watched, AP states they threw the tool box at the 992 RS , and he actually does not know what they can do to the Gen2 when it comes around.
He would say that wouldn't he...........because he always does the sales spiel come every car. Not that the car won't be bloody good and bloody quick, of course it will but the importance of 'AP says this' is a little overblown.isaldiri said:
He would say that wouldn't he...........because he always does the sales spiel come every car. Not that the car won't be bloody good and bloody quick, of course it will but the importance of 'AP says this' is a little overblown.
I agree with that. We have lots of opinions but soon we will have some real reviews from a variety of people Iike - Sport Auto,Catchpole,Harris and so on. Of course they can be dismissed but collectively they have an impact for me.I do not think AP talks BS and he is very Informative but it is naturally a PR campaign by an employee.
RDMcG said:
I agree with that. We have lots of opinions but soon we will have some real reviews from a variety of people Iike - Sport Auto,Catchpole,Harris and so on. Of course they can be dismissed but collectively they have an impact for me.
I do not think AP talks BS and he is very Informative but it is naturally a PR campaign by an employee.
Likewise, the reality of mumsnet, sorry I mean pistonheads, is that people always talk down the new stuff if they’ve got the old stuff. Progress is never acknowledged. Nothing can possibly be better that the one they have, especially if there’s zero chance of them getting offered the next one. I do not think AP talks BS and he is very Informative but it is naturally a PR campaign by an employee.
It’s really quite amusing.
Mad Scientist said:
Likewise, the reality of mumsnet, sorry I mean pistonheads, is that people always talk down the new stuff if they’ve got the old stuff. Progress is never acknowledged. Nothing can possibly be better that the one they have, especially if there’s zero chance of them getting offered the next one.
It’s really quite amusing.
Have to agree 100% with this , they keep doing the same with the 991.2 GT3 , makes me laugh how it’s always the ones that own the car, mostly worried about there investment and the fact that they’ll never be able to own a 992 GT3 anytime soon. It’s really quite amusing.
shoaib said:
Have to agree 100% with this , they keep doing the same with the 991.2 GT3 , makes me laugh how it’s always the ones that own the car, mostly worried about there investment and the fact that they’ll never be able to own a 992 GT3 anytime soon.
Well, to be fair there are different types of people who buy these cars, and they are not all track rats. There are also collectors who want to keep the car in as new condition , and also people who are just treating the things are investment opportunities. I know lots of people complain about this but I think it is just different motivations. We have all seen Carrera GTs and 918s with less than 2000 miles on them, delivery mileage Ferraris and so on. I believe there is a McLaren F1 with less that 1000 miles on it.
The issue is that actually driven these almost new cars is that is does destroy value and if you are an investor then it is not going to happen. I drive my cars, but am not at the track every week or anything. My 991 RS has about 21,000km on it and my 997 has 43,000. Not astronomical but they are not DDs, just cars for fun and have been tracked often enough. As a result they are going to be worth a lot less than a delivery mileage car whic is fair enough. I will do the same thing with any future car.
I have no criticism of what others do with their cars but am quite happy with my own choices.
Mad Scientist said:
Likewise, the reality of mumsnet, sorry I mean pistonheads, is that people always talk down the new stuff if they’ve got the old stuff. Progress is never acknowledged. Nothing can possibly be better that the one they have, especially if there’s zero chance of them getting offered the next one.
It’s really quite amusing.
Finally Sense! Totally agree, its always the same 'users' that talk absolute drivel, however sometimes he pulls a bag a sense out his pocket, not often, but sometimes..It’s really quite amusing.
Did i mention... 991.2 WP is the best car on the planet, and all that's needed, no frunk on the 992RS.. oh gosh cant do an overnighter now because the helmet wont fit behind the seats! blah, blah blah..
He cant get a 992 RS, so pans the newest .. and always goes on about flippers this, flippers that..
Taffy66 said:
The bonnet vents along with the roof mounted strakes were added very late in the development on the RS when the engineers discovered the hot air exiting the rads flew over the roof and entered the engine intakes and lost power. The 992GT3 RS overall design seems to have been constrained by a limited budget which also explains the increased kerb weight and same power as the 991RS.
This total obsession with increasing aero down force has heavily compromised the design just because they want to shave a few seconds off the Nordscheife lap time.
Its a poor design IMO and very colour sensitive as a result. Guards Red does it no favours but the White non Weissach car with either Green or Red livery/wheels looks much better as others above have said. The Weissach pack makes a very fussy design even fussier and at a hefty £25.5k for an insignificant 20kg weight saving.
I'd buy a White non WP RS and go to RPM and fit a set of BBS Magnesium rims
I bet it would be the best car in the world if you get one! This total obsession with increasing aero down force has heavily compromised the design just because they want to shave a few seconds off the Nordscheife lap time.
Its a poor design IMO and very colour sensitive as a result. Guards Red does it no favours but the White non Weissach car with either Green or Red livery/wheels looks much better as others above have said. The Weissach pack makes a very fussy design even fussier and at a hefty £25.5k for an insignificant 20kg weight saving.
I'd buy a White non WP RS and go to RPM and fit a set of BBS Magnesium rims
throt said:
!.4 mill to secure one. If true that's the kind of precedent that can be set, or, well north of what we have become use to..
All theses shenanigans put me off the product tbh, too much BS about still with the flipping and all.
I buy, I keep. I drive.
Seems unlikely to me. Try getting £1.4 million worth of new cars out of dealer atm. Most people are having difficulty getting 1 car!All theses shenanigans put me off the product tbh, too much BS about still with the flipping and all.
I buy, I keep. I drive.
wenters said:
Hi All,
Has anyone received an allocation and paid a deposit for an RS yet?.....or are we all still hanging on to a promise whilst Porsche sort the numbers?
Waiting for good news here!
My understanding is that they haven't had offical allocations yet. Some dealers maybe taking desposits and specs off customers as they will know that they will be getting a couple of cars at least in first batch!Has anyone received an allocation and paid a deposit for an RS yet?.....or are we all still hanging on to a promise whilst Porsche sort the numbers?
Waiting for good news here!
13PDJ said:
I bet it would be the best car in the world if you get one!
I won't get one simply because I haven't asked for one. I need room in a boot to carry two helmets and overnight luggage to go to track days of which I've done nine so far this year. I've just crossed 9k miles in my RS WP from new and fully intend to double that in the next two years along with 10 track days every year. If it wasn't for our extended welsh lock downs I'd be up to 12K miles by now.Regarding the 992RS I find it fugly especially the front bonnet's silly plastic vents. Its heavier than its replacement by a good 40-50Kg along with the same power. The huge aero is totally irrelevant for our Uk tracks and on a 1500Kg car will just increase tyre wear.
There is nobody on here who is good enough driver to get the best out of it and based on some of the awful driving I've witnessed from 992GT3 drivers on track this year a recipe for disaster. There are a few others on this very thread which share my views on poor driving from 992GT3 drivers.
The 992RS will be great on track in the right hands but for me personally too much money at £220k for a WP car. It should be a chunk lighter than it is and will eat tyres if the aero is utilised to full effect.
Very few will keep it longer than six months just like the previous gen so the high price, zero boot space and very stiff ride etc won't bother them. It will bother the ones who intend keeping them for a longer term.
rkwm1 said:
throt said:
!.4 mill to secure one. If true that's the kind of precedent that can be set, or, well north of what we have become use to..
All theses shenanigans put me off the product tbh, too much BS about still with the flipping and all.
I buy, I keep. I drive.
Seems unlikely to me. Try getting £1.4 million worth of new cars out of dealer atm. Most people are having difficulty getting 1 car!All theses shenanigans put me off the product tbh, too much BS about still with the flipping and all.
I buy, I keep. I drive.
Taffy66 said:
13PDJ said:
I bet it would be the best car in the world if you get one!
I won't get one simply because I haven't asked for one. I need room in a boot to carry two helmets and overnight luggage to go to track days of which I've done nine so far this year. I've just crossed 9k miles in my RS WP from new and fully intend to double that in the next two years along with 10 track days every year. If it wasn't for our extended welsh lock downs I'd be up to 12K miles by now.Regarding the 992RS I find it fugly especially the front bonnet's silly plastic vents. Its heavier than its replacement by a good 40-50Kg along with the same power. The huge aero is totally irrelevant for our Uk tracks and on a 1500Kg car will just increase tyre wear.
There is nobody on here who is good enough driver to get the best out of it and based on some of the awful driving I've witnessed from 992GT3 drivers on track this year a recipe for disaster. There are a few others on this very thread which share my views on poor driving from 992GT3 drivers.
The 992RS will be great on track in the right hands but for me personally too much money at £220k for a WP car. It should be a chunk lighter than it is and will eat tyres if the aero is utilised to full effect.
Very few will keep it longer than six months just like the previous gen so the high price, zero boot space and very stiff ride etc won't bother them. It will bother the ones who intend keeping them for a longer term.
Talking about bad 992 drivers, I have seen a few my self and a very well known one on here who gets every single car couldn’t even keep up with me at Silverstone this year in my 981 GT4!
13PDJ said:
I would be happy to bet you that I will rinse you on track when mine turns up!
Talking about bad 992 drivers, I have seen a few my self and a very well known one on here who gets every single car couldn’t even keep up with me at Silverstone this year in my 981 GT4!
I've no doubt you'll rinse me on track as I've never proclaimed myself to be a driving god unlike others on here. Never driven a 992GT3 but the feedback I've had from other track guys who has owned both 991.2RS and 992GT3 is that the latter is much much easier to drive fast on track which I suspect is part of the problem. The 991RS WP is very spikey on the limit with understeer followed by snap oversteer like mine behaved until I took it to Ben at String Theory and now no more understeer and when it does let go its both progressive and neutral.Talking about bad 992 drivers, I have seen a few my self and a very well known one on here who gets every single car couldn’t even keep up with me at Silverstone this year in my 981 GT4!
No idea who you're referring to as I've only been on Silverstone twice in my life, once in June 2019 and a couple of weeks ago. There are more than a couple of 992GT3s on track this year who need to rein in their ego and get some urgent tuition. I've no idea who they are and maybe not even on here but usually in the most common colour for 992GT3s.
Taffy66 said:
13PDJ said:
I would be happy to bet you that I will rinse you on track when mine turns up!
Talking about bad 992 drivers, I have seen a few my self and a very well known one on here who gets every single car couldn’t even keep up with me at Silverstone this year in my 981 GT4!
I've no doubt you'll rinse me on track as I've never proclaimed myself to be a driving god unlike others on here. Never driven a 992GT3 but the feedback I've had from other track guys who has owned both 991.2RS and 992GT3 is that the latter is much much easier to drive fast on track which I suspect is part of the problem. The 991RS WP is very spikey on the limit with understeer followed by snap oversteer like mine behaved until I took it to Ben at String Theory and now no more understeer and when it does let go its both progressive and neutral.Talking about bad 992 drivers, I have seen a few my self and a very well known one on here who gets every single car couldn’t even keep up with me at Silverstone this year in my 981 GT4!
No idea who you're referring to as I've only been on Silverstone twice in my life, once in June 2019 and a couple of weeks ago. There are more than a couple of 992GT3s on track this year who need to rein in their ego and get some urgent tuition. I've no idea who they are and maybe not even on here but usually in the most common colour for 992GT3s.
It’s true about the 992 GT3 (pistonheads Porsche expert) at Silverstone though! Obviously it wasn’t you!
Anyway Porsche do not go backwards with comparative models, so the 992 RS will be a step above your car. So if you end up getting one in the future put your y-fronts and helmets in the back and live the dream!
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