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Dr S said:
RDMcG said:
Cheib said:
Looking at that video makes me think one thing….who pays £350k for a GT2 RS now ? No longer the ultimate modern RS. The new GT3 RS is an astonishing machine !
Until the next one.... remember how the 991.1 RS was then eclipsed by the 991.2 RS
Still, I will go for this one. It is already at a level beyond my capabilities to reach its limits and the next ( doubtless better) Gen.2 will just be further into the throretical.
Harpersax said:
What interests me is now that Porsche have a large interest in Manthey, what if anything have they left on the table to allow Manthey to tweak and improve on?
I was chatting to RPM a few months ago about Manthey….they have seen some things that Manthey do on the 991.2 cars turn up on the 992 GT cars. They thought there might be an element of Porsche using them as a test bed. As you say it is hard to know what they’ve left for Manthey to improve on
Digga said:
Taffy66 said:
Digga said:
All the UK 992 GT3 RS press drives were stuck behind a 'pace' 992GT3. Plus ca change.
A Shark Blue GT3 at that so I'm surprised the RS didn't stall in protest !
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ChrisW. said:
The insurance companies are going to love this one ... most owners are still mere mortals ...
It depends I suppose. the vast excess of grip that the car has might mean that most drivers are even further away than usual from where the car's limits are and so less likely to make a serious mistake but still are able to lap very very quickly and look like top dog on track days (well apart from not having a lot of straight line speed/power to overtake although DRS might help - just imagine press DRS to make a pass on a trackday. total winning there.... 
) compared to most other cars......Taffy66 said:
It coould end up being a frustrating car for track days especially in the hands of a good driver. Imagine a car which can corner faster than any other car on track but get overtaken by much more powerful lighter cars on any straight eg McLarens etc.
That's already true of many track focussed cars, It relies on god marshalling by the TDO and other drivers obeying the rules. Any number of road focussed supercars are capable of acting as mobile roadblocks to a decent track car. (Road going McLarens definitely spring to mind yes!)I think it's a fantastic machine ... better than I had thought from the spec ... but you only need to see the reaction of Catchpole in his passenger laps.
If it goes wrong, it will go wrong very quickly and at a very high speed. 'No room for frustration or the triumph of hope over talent ... particularly in changing conditions.
If it goes wrong, it will go wrong very quickly and at a very high speed. 'No room for frustration or the triumph of hope over talent ... particularly in changing conditions.
Taffy66 said:
It coould end up being a frustrating car for track days especially in the hands of a good driver. Imagine a car which can corner faster than any other car on track but get overtaken by much more powerful lighter cars on any straight eg McLarens etc.
McLarens should be fast on a lap of any track. I have certainly seen them going incredibly well on circuits this year.However, having driven a 650S, I can understand why they are difficult to corner. It's not the handling, but the brakes are difficult to feel and then there's the fear of prompting just too much boost through apex. It's not that they don't corner or handle, but rather they seem to need you to simply commit.
I followed a guy in a 720S last year on Silverstone GP. We had a chat and he'd only just got the car and was getting used to it. It was amazing how my 997 GT3 kept up - the guy was not doing stupid lines and was not a novice, but it seemed to take him a while to get it out of the corner and fully onto the throttle.
Digga said:
McLarens should be fast on a lap of any track. I have certainly seen them going incredibly well on circuits this year.
However, having driven a 650S, I can understand why they are difficult to corner. It's not the handling, but the brakes are difficult to feel and then there's the fear of prompting just too much boost through apex. It's not that they don't corner or handle, but rather they seem to need you to simply commit.
I followed a guy in a 720S last year on Silverstone GP. We had a chat and he'd only just got the car and was getting used to it. It was amazing how my 997 GT3 kept up - the guy was not doing stupid lines and was not a novice, but it seemed to take him a while to get it out of the corner and fully onto the throttle.
If you don't mind me saying I think you need to try a Mclaren (but in the dry) on track. They have their quirks but are actually quite uncomplicated to settle and drive 'right'. It certainly isn't a case of prompting too much boost if one knows what one is doing (ie not burying your foot to the floor too easily unlike a 911). The ceramic brake feel can be a bit of an issue for Mclaren but that's really only in comparison to Porsche ceramics. As long as it's being reasonably competently driven, a 720 on a half decent tyre (ie not the awful Pzero) should be miles ahead of any gt3 as that car is really a stunningly quick thing.However, having driven a 650S, I can understand why they are difficult to corner. It's not the handling, but the brakes are difficult to feel and then there's the fear of prompting just too much boost through apex. It's not that they don't corner or handle, but rather they seem to need you to simply commit.
I followed a guy in a 720S last year on Silverstone GP. We had a chat and he'd only just got the car and was getting used to it. It was amazing how my 997 GT3 kept up - the guy was not doing stupid lines and was not a novice, but it seemed to take him a while to get it out of the corner and fully onto the throttle.
Edited by isaldiri on Friday 7th October 11:29
Part of the charm of the modern GT products is the accessibility and ease of use for those newer to the track, whilst allowing more confident drivers to push harder and be rewarded for it.
I’ve not driven any of the Maccas, but I’ve been on track with some very well driven and pushed examples. Sounds like it lacks some of the feel and “comfort” that we average folks need to be confident. I’ve had a 600LT come past me at Oulton like i’m on a warm up lap and I’m not exactly hanging about there doing about 1.50s (textbook humble brag there, sorry!)
I’m also convinced the RS will reward the brave without too many butt clenchers. How a race driver throws one about is one thing, but it’s sure to reward the track dayers too without ending up in the gravel every third lap.
I just hope I get to sample one at some point as a passenger. An allocation seems quite unlikely.
I’ve not driven any of the Maccas, but I’ve been on track with some very well driven and pushed examples. Sounds like it lacks some of the feel and “comfort” that we average folks need to be confident. I’ve had a 600LT come past me at Oulton like i’m on a warm up lap and I’m not exactly hanging about there doing about 1.50s (textbook humble brag there, sorry!)
I’m also convinced the RS will reward the brave without too many butt clenchers. How a race driver throws one about is one thing, but it’s sure to reward the track dayers too without ending up in the gravel every third lap.
I just hope I get to sample one at some point as a passenger. An allocation seems quite unlikely.
Mad Scientist said:
I’m also convinced the RS will reward the brave without too many butt clenchers. How a race driver throws one about is one thing, but it’s sure to reward the track dayers too without ending up in the gravel every third lap.
Have to say I somewhat wonder about the above, particularly wrt to what one might understand as 'reward the brave'. When one starts to lean on aero grip, when large amounts of that can be lost quite suddenly (unlike mechanical grip), the chances of ending up in said gravel trap get a lot larger I'd think. the real difference is that the car probably has such an excess of grip most 'normal' trackdayers simply aren't getting anywhere close to trouble that limit and they still are producing exceptionally quick times.
isaldiri said:
If you don't mind me saying I think you need to try a Mclaren (but in the dry) on track. They have their quirks but are actually quite uncomplicated to settle and drive 'right'. It certainly isn't a case of prompting too much boost if one knows what one is doing (ie not burying your foot to the floor too easily unlike a 911). The ceramic brake feel can be a bit of an issue for Mclaren but that's really only in comparison to Porsche ceramics. As long as it's being reasonably competently driven, a 720 on a half decent tyre (ie not the awful Pzero) should be miles ahead of any gt3 as that car is really a stunningly quick thing.
Yes. The drive was limited in scope:Edited by isaldiri on Friday 7th October 11:29
- Not my car. (I don't like driving other people's cars, but this was a favour.)
- Possibly wrong tyres - yes, Pzeroes.
- Damp
- Heading west with low sun
- On public roads
Well whatever the practicalities, I'm sure Porsche will have no trouble selling them. I'm another person with no chance of getting one from my local OPC etc etc etc.
But it appears to be a car that polarises like no other. Not designed for the road (and rather fast). Extremely competent on the track ... but not ideal if you are learning to be faster than the slowest ... I wonder which category the speculators will fall into ?
Isaldiri, do you remember Spa when you had your McLaren and I had my blue 964RS ? Happy days
But it appears to be a car that polarises like no other. Not designed for the road (and rather fast). Extremely competent on the track ... but not ideal if you are learning to be faster than the slowest ... I wonder which category the speculators will fall into ?
Isaldiri, do you remember Spa when you had your McLaren and I had my blue 964RS ? Happy days
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