Can I afford a decent 911 for everyday use?

[swtcar]

I'd rather put that 15k deposit and high monthlies into a 997.2 or 991.1 and near enough own it after 3 years so that I could enjoy it forever more, rather than put it into that 992 that gets returned in 3 years and you have nothing.

[prismv]

DJMC said:

OP... have you also looked into a 991 Targa?

For example: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

The current best looker in my opinion. Better than the 992 "frog" look perhaps?

This one has 4 tailpipes, if you must: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 17th July 19:49

Both stunning but just not doing it for me.
I want the Frog 🐸

[prismv]

swtcar said:

I'd rather put that 15k deposit and high monthlies into a 997.2 or 991.1 and near enough own it after 3 years so that I could enjoy it forever more, rather than put it into that 992 that gets returned in 3 years and you have nothing.

Took this approach with my 6 series paid cash as I wanted to own it outright but still took a slight bath on the depreciation.
In hindsight I’d probably have been better off keeping my cash in the bank and paying monthly via a pcp and handing back

[anonymous-user]

IMI A said:

Like others have said though if its any sort of squeeze better to buy outright if possible but there is no right or wrong because it completely depends on an individuals own particular set of circumstances. There is nothing wrong with debt so long as you can service it. Most people have a mortgage and car finance is similar. Thousands wouldn't have been able to drive a Porsche for the last 25 yrs without debt and we'd be the poorer for it in terms of wonderful experiences.

There is something v.nice about the new 992. I love the wheel arches. Lots of retro touches throughout the car which are nice. Some cars have the X factor. I think the 992 has the X factor - the styling in particular is a triumph. Certainly more road presence than say a 991.2 GTS as 992 so wide at the front and back. Look at its bulbous wheel arches, bonnet scoop. Fabulous interpretation of the 911.

992 modernity makes 991.2 feel last gen but the drive is very similar other than initial turn in where 992 a bit sharper. 991.1 and 997 prehistoric. Even back in 2007 997 info tech like PCM was worse than in a Ford Ka. They're all super 911s to drive though which is the main thing.

OP if you've not had a 911 before the new 992 a hell of a motor. Blacks the colour. 991.2 very similar so you won't feel short changed - same with a 991.1 - can't go wrong with any of them - hope this helps

Good lord - that’s one mighty fine looking automobile.

I may have to get one.

[anonymous-user]

4 pages of choosing the car and how to finance it but no mention of running costs.

Would £3k a year on maintenance create an issue? These are not cheap cars to run and can throw a four figure bill very easily.

[prismv]

Is this good value

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Also can you fit a car seat for a 7 year old in the back?
If so I’m good to go on a 992

[nunpuncher]

prismv said:

Took this approach with my 6 series paid cash as I wanted to own it outright but still took a slight bath on the depreciation.
In hindsight I’d probably have been better off keeping my cash in the bank and paying monthly via a pcp and handing back

6 series depreciation is very different from 911 depreciation. Everyone takes a bath on a 6 series unless you buy at the very very bottom of the market.

I thought the frog look was a term used to describe the low sloping rear of earlier 911s. They looked like crouching frogs. The 992 is all arse up in the air.

[DJMC]

prismv said:

Is this good value

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Also can you fit a car seat for a 7 year old in the back?
If so I’m good to go on a 992

Does look good, and so it should for that money.

But black, really? It'll look a lovely and glossy for half a day, then look like st.

[jimbo761]

Black is a great colour, just takes a little work to keep solid black clean, otherwise order metallic for the day to day. Solid black looks better after a valet though.

[DJMC]

jimbo761 said:

Black is a great colour, just takes a little work to keep solid black clean, otherwise order metallic for the day to day. Solid black looks better after a valet though.

No, it's not, it's a pain in the backside... spoken from experience of metallic Panther black (Audi).

[jimbo761]

DJMC said:

jimbo761 said:

Black is a great colour, just takes a little work to keep solid black clean, otherwise order metallic for the day to day. Solid black looks better after a valet though.

No, it's not, it's a pain in the backside... spoken from experience of metallic Panther black (Audi).

Am currently living with it day to day, sure Rhodium or GT Silver would be less work, but shined up nothing beats it imo.

[prismv]

I like the Gentian blue metallic
Hopefully easy to clean

[Frrair]

Love this.

1 week ago asking about £60k Porsche as worried if it’s affordable & 1 week later buys brand new model at double the budget.

Love it, mission creap and man maths at its finest.

Sure it will be great, I sincerely hope it’s everything you want.

[prismv]

Frrair said:

Love this.

1 week ago asking about £60k Porsche as worried if it’s affordable & 1 week later buys brand new model at double the budget.

Love it, mission creap and man maths at its finest.

Sure it will be great, I sincerely hope it’s everything you want.

Yes quite, although I haven’t bought anything yet.
It was only because of some advice received on here pointing out that a new one can actually be had for the same price as the £60k if financed correctly.

As things stand I’ll most likely opt for a 992.

[RobinBanks]

prismv said:

Frrair said:

Love this.

1 week ago asking about £60k Porsche as worried if it’s affordable & 1 week later buys brand new model at double the budget.

Love it, mission creap and man maths at its finest.

Sure it will be great, I sincerely hope it’s everything you want.

Yes quite, although I haven’t bought anything yet.
It was only because of some advice received on here pointing out that a new one can actually be had for the same price as the £60k if financed correctly.

As things stand I’ll most likely opt for a 992.

There is no way in hell can even man maths make a £102k Porsche cost the same as a £60k car!
This is totally what pcp does to people and they are then left with sweet f#ck all at the end!

[anonymous-user]

I have a 30k 997.1 C4S Cab.....and 100k in a bond paying 3.1%.......the £3100 pays the running costs, and the depreciation...whats not to like.
In the 2 years i've had it.....minor service, AC recharge, Brakes bled...gearbox & diff oil done..new plugs, 3rd Rad. & LTT...coolant changed, 2 rear control arms, 2 front inner steering arms and track rod ends and 4 wheel laser alignment...and i still have £4041 in the war chest...take that off the 30k cost and its a 26k car......sounds about right
Must say i don't use it everday or in the winter

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th July 05:30

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th July 05:46

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th July 06:17

[IMI A]

prismv said:

IMI A said:

Like others have said though if its any sort of squeeze better to buy outright if possible but there is no right or wrong because it completely depends on an individuals own particular set of circumstances. There is nothing wrong with debt so long as you can service it. Most people have a mortgage and car finance is similar. Thousands wouldn't have been able to drive a Porsche for the last 25 yrs without debt and we'd be the poorer for it in terms of wonderful experiences.

There is something v.nice about the new 992. I love the wheel arches. Lots of retro touches throughout the car which are nice. Some cars have the X factor. I think the 992 has the X factor - the styling in particular is a triumph. Certainly more road presence than say a 991.2 GTS as 992 so wide at the front and back. Look at its bulbous wheel arches, bonnet scoop. Fabulous interpretation of the 911.

992 modernity makes 991.2 feel last gen but the drive is very similar other than initial turn in where 992 a bit sharper. 991.1 and 997 prehistoric. Even back in 2007 997 info tech like PCM was worse than in a Ford Ka. They're all super 911s to drive though which is the main thing.

OP if you've not had a 911 before the new 992 a hell of a motor. Blacks the colour. 991.2 very similar so you won't feel short changed - same with a 991.1 - can't go wrong with any of them - hope this helps

Love these pics, are they both yours?
I think the 4 tail pipes 992 is stunning to behold, but every one says I need the Porsche exhaust system where you loose 2 of the pipes.

Just wish you could have 4 and exhaust system together

No not mine. I prefer older 911s but also appreciate the new ones too. If I had to choose one sports GT today as a daily I'd defo pick the 992. The guys recommending 997 or 991.1 aren't wrong they're brilliant cars something like the 997 C4S cab above. Had one for a few years and loved it. They do feel old fashioned today though and the difference in build quality and interior materials is night and day. The 997 I'd describe as functional in terms of interior design. The 991 and 992 are up market prestige car interiors with build quality nearer a Bentley/Audi than a 997. You should have look around and drive a few of the different 911 generations then also go drive a 992 and decide which one you like. In fact I think you can maybe drive all the different generations of 911 at the Porsche Experience centre at Silverstone for a small fee?

The exhaust noise is fine on the standard quad 992 system IMO. Coming out of a BMW 6 series I think you'll love 992 from an emotional and dynamic perspective.

[prismv]

IMI A said:

prismv said:

IMI A said:

Like others have said though if its any sort of squeeze better to buy outright if possible but there is no right or wrong because it completely depends on an individuals own particular set of circumstances. There is nothing wrong with debt so long as you can service it. Most people have a mortgage and car finance is similar. Thousands wouldn't have been able to drive a Porsche for the last 25 yrs without debt and we'd be the poorer for it in terms of wonderful experiences.

There is something v.nice about the new 992. I love the wheel arches. Lots of retro touches throughout the car which are nice. Some cars have the X factor. I think the 992 has the X factor - the styling in particular is a triumph. Certainly more road presence than say a 991.2 GTS as 992 so wide at the front and back. Look at its bulbous wheel arches, bonnet scoop. Fabulous interpretation of the 911.

992 modernity makes 991.2 feel last gen but the drive is very similar other than initial turn in where 992 a bit sharper. 991.1 and 997 prehistoric. Even back in 2007 997 info tech like PCM was worse than in a Ford Ka. They're all super 911s to drive though which is the main thing.

OP if you've not had a 911 before the new 992 a hell of a motor. Blacks the colour. 991.2 very similar so you won't feel short changed - same with a 991.1 - can't go wrong with any of them - hope this helps

Love these pics, are they both yours?
I think the 4 tail pipes 992 is stunning to behold, but every one says I need the Porsche exhaust system where you loose 2 of the pipes.

Just wish you could have 4 and exhaust system together

No not mine. I prefer older 911s but also appreciate the new ones too. If I had to choose one sports GT today as a daily I'd defo pick the 992. The guys recommending 997 or 991.1 aren't wrong they're brilliant cars something like the 997 C4S cab above. Had one for a few years and loved it. They do feel old fashioned today though and the difference in build quality and interior materials is night and day. The 997 I'd describe as functional in terms of interior design. The 991 and 992 are up market prestige car interiors with build quality nearer a Bentley/Audi than a 997. You should have look around and drive a few of the different 911 generations then also go drive a 992 and decide which one you like. In fact I think you can maybe drive all the different generations of 911 at the Porsche Experience centre at Silverstone for a small fee?

The exhaust noise is fine on the standard quad 992 system IMO. Coming out of a BMW 6 series I think you'll love 992 from an emotional and dynamic perspective.

Thanks very much for this and good to know. I’m hoping to test drive both on Saturday.

I’ve seen a great 992 C4S for a very good price although I noticed it doesn’t have Bose, whats the standard sound system like?

[IMI A]

prismv said:

IMI A said:

prismv said:

IMI A said:

Like others have said though if its any sort of squeeze better to buy outright if possible but there is no right or wrong because it completely depends on an individuals own particular set of circumstances. There is nothing wrong with debt so long as you can service it. Most people have a mortgage and car finance is similar. Thousands wouldn't have been able to drive a Porsche for the last 25 yrs without debt and we'd be the poorer for it in terms of wonderful experiences.

There is something v.nice about the new 992. I love the wheel arches. Lots of retro touches throughout the car which are nice. Some cars have the X factor. I think the 992 has the X factor - the styling in particular is a triumph. Certainly more road presence than say a 991.2 GTS as 992 so wide at the front and back. Look at its bulbous wheel arches, bonnet scoop. Fabulous interpretation of the 911.

992 modernity makes 991.2 feel last gen but the drive is very similar other than initial turn in where 992 a bit sharper. 991.1 and 997 prehistoric. Even back in 2007 997 info tech like PCM was worse than in a Ford Ka. They're all super 911s to drive though which is the main thing.

OP if you've not had a 911 before the new 992 a hell of a motor. Blacks the colour. 991.2 very similar so you won't feel short changed - same with a 991.1 - can't go wrong with any of them - hope this helps

Love these pics, are they both yours?
I think the 4 tail pipes 992 is stunning to behold, but every one says I need the Porsche exhaust system where you loose 2 of the pipes.

Just wish you could have 4 and exhaust system together

No not mine. I prefer older 911s but also appreciate the new ones too. If I had to choose one sports GT today as a daily I'd defo pick the 992. The guys recommending 997 or 991.1 aren't wrong they're brilliant cars something like the 997 C4S cab above. Had one for a few years and loved it. They do feel old fashioned today though and the difference in build quality and interior materials is night and day. The 997 I'd describe as functional in terms of interior design. The 991 and 992 are up market prestige car interiors with build quality nearer a Bentley/Audi than a 997. You should have look around and drive a few of the different 911 generations then also go drive a 992 and decide which one you like. In fact I think you can maybe drive all the different generations of 911 at the Porsche Experience centre at Silverstone for a small fee?

The exhaust noise is fine on the standard quad 992 system IMO. Coming out of a BMW 6 series I think you'll love 992 from an emotional and dynamic perspective.

Thanks very much for this and good to know. I’m hoping to test drive both on Saturday.

I’ve seen a great 992 C4S for a very good price although I noticed it doesn’t have Bose, whats the standard sound system like?

Loaner has Bose and the sound is brill. I'm surprised thats an option thought it was standard? I'd be looking to buy a sympathetically specced 992 C2S. I'd also spec the car from new to my liking so if I want yellow or lizard green paint etc not an issue.

[nunpuncher]

RobinBanks said:

There is no way in hell can even man maths make a £102k Porsche cost the same as a £60k car!
This is totally what pcp does to people and they are then left with sweet f#ck all at the end!

100 million % this. The OP has been blinded by terrible maths, shiny objects and quad exhausts.

£60k car with £25k down and the rest on loan/finance. Sell/trade after 3 or 4 years and get roughly £45k back. So that's all your initial capital back plus half the cost of the loan back.
Total cost roughly £20,000

or

Finance a brand new one with £15k down then £850pm for 4 years. Trade in at the end and have £5k equity towards the next car if you're lucky.
Total cost roughly £45,000

So by my estimation the costs will be about double for the new car on finance. The reason it looks cheaper is because you're putting in a smaller deposit and paying less a month. The money is totally gone though. Its a false economy.