Can I afford a decent 911 for everyday use?

[nunpuncher]

prismv said:

Is this good value

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Also can you fit a car seat for a 7 year old in the back?
If so I’m good to go on a 992

Depends what you mean by car seat. My daughter (7) is perfectly comfortable in the back in a base only booster. My son (9) struggles in a base only booster, his head almost touches the roof so I had a low profile booster made just to bring him to the correct height for the seatbelt to not strangle him.

Both my kids are short arses for their ages. Neither fit in a full high back booster.

[prismv]

nunpuncher said:

prismv said:

Is this good value

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Also can you fit a car seat for a 7 year old in the back?
If so I’m good to go on a 992

Depends what you mean by car seat. My daughter (7) is perfectly comfortable in the back in a base only booster. My son (9) struggles in a base only booster, his head almost touches the roof so I had a low profile booster made just to bring him to the correct height for the seatbelt to not strangle him.

Both my kids are short arses for their ages. Neither fit in a full high back booster.

Thanks mine are 7 and 10 probably both small for their age as well.
I didn’t think it was legal for them to not be in a full car seat until they were a certain height so I may have misunderstood this
My 10 year old is too big for a booster and car seat now but my 7 year old still needs to be in a full back car seat.

We do have little booster so if these are ok, safe and legal I should be fine.
Hoping to get a loaner from OPC try. How much leg room is there?

[nunpuncher]

Leg room isn't an issue. My daughter fits fine behind the drivers seat set comfortably for me at 6ft. The short seat base actually means their legs go down into the footwell as opposed to straight out, which is often the base when the seat base is long.

I'm not sure on what's legal regarding child seats I go off what I feel is safe, seems sensible and comfortable for my kids. I know you can't legally buy a backless booster seat now but I believe it's not illegal to use one, as said, I go on whether the seatbelt is in the correct place on their body.

We use full high back boosters in my wifes car, bases in the 911 and a base for the boy and a full booster for my daughter in the mini.

The mini is the only car they ever complain in. The seats are weird proportions in that.

[IMI A]

nunpuncher said:

RobinBanks said:

There is no way in hell can even man maths make a £102k Porsche cost the same as a £60k car!
This is totally what pcp does to people and they are then left with sweet f#ck all at the end!

100 million % this. The OP has been blinded by terrible maths, shiny objects and quad exhausts.

£60k car with £25k down and the rest on loan/finance. Sell/trade after 3 or 4 years and get roughly £45k back. So that's all your initial capital back plus half the cost of the loan back.
Total cost roughly £20,000

or

Finance a brand new one with £15k down then £850pm for 4 years. Trade in at the end and have £5k equity towards the next car if you're lucky.
Total cost roughly £45,000

So by my estimation the costs will be about double for the new car on finance. The reason it looks cheaper is because you're putting in a smaller deposit and paying less a month. The money is totally gone though. Its a false economy.

You need to take a serious look at yourself in the mirror then resit your man maths exam - all I can see in those numbers is that the 992 has held 55% of its list price after three years which is amazing

[nunpuncher]

Hahaha.

It's just unfortunate you have to buy the 45% that vanishes.

Edited by nunpuncher on Thursday 18th July 22:15

[johnwilliams77]

Any progress OP?

[prismv]

johnwilliams77 said:

Any progress OP?

992 Test Drive on Monday
Will make decision on the if it’s the new car or a 991

[Quarterly]

I'm following this thread with interest, as a long time Aston owner I recently sold and am looking at the 922. Unlike Aston, Porsche have cleverly evolved the look of the car, which to my eyes looks absolutely stunning. The only issue is the exhaust sound and not being loud enough to annoy my neighboughs. Can I just ask the experts, is there really much difference between the 4 pipe and sports exhausts? They both sound quiet to me. Is it possible to fit an after market exhaust that stays within the warranty?

[IMI A]

Its a fantastic car the 992. I've not driven with sports exhaust but found the normal exhaust fine as they plumb in sound to the cabin with sound symposers. Has a lovely little growl at part throttle but no turbo 911 is ever going to sound like a V12 or V8 na Aston!

Try a 991.2 turbo s too if you like rollercoasters as hard to ignore at same price point.

[David W.]

Quarterly said:

I'm following this thread with interest, as a long time Aston owner I recently sold and am looking at the 922. Unlike Aston, Porsche have cleverly evolved the look of the car, which to my eyes looks absolutely stunning. The only issue is the exhaust sound and not being loud enough to annoy my neighboughs. Can I just ask the experts, is there really much difference between the 4 pipe and sports exhausts? They both sound quiet to me. Is it possible to fit an after market exhaust that stays within the warranty?

Having had both noise is the only compromise with Porsche.

[skinny]

IMI A said:

I've not driven with sports exhaust but found the normal exhaust fine as they plumb in sound to the cabin with sound symposers.

Without wishing to derail the thread, surely if they need sound symposers to plumb in addition noise, then by definition the normal exhaust is not fine?

[prismv]

skinny said:

IMI A said:

I've not driven with sports exhaust but found the normal exhaust fine as they plumb in sound to the cabin with sound symposers.

Without wishing to derail the thread, surely if they need sound symposers to plumb in addition noise, then by definition the normal exhaust is not fine?

How does this work?
Is it only on the non sport exhaust this is done?

[IMI A]

prismv said:

skinny said:

IMI A said:

I've not driven with sports exhaust but found the normal exhaust fine as they plumb in sound to the cabin with sound symposers.

Without wishing to derail the thread, surely if they need sound symposers to plumb in addition noise, then by definition the normal exhaust is not fine?

How does this work?
Is it only on the non sport exhaust this is done?

Think they’re basically pipes from engine bay to cabin. Both cars with PSE and without will probably have them as it is to help the cabin sound more emotional. A question perhaps for you on Monday on the test drive?

[IMI A]

skinny said:

IMI A said:

I've not driven with sports exhaust but found the normal exhaust fine as they plumb in sound to the cabin with sound symposers.

Without wishing to derail the thread, surely if they need sound symposers to plumb in addition noise, then by definition the normal exhaust is not fine?

We’ve know this on every turbo Porsche since 1975? If they have strategies which fix or at partial fix the problem who cares? Many dyed in the wool air cooled owners would get out of the 992 rolling about laughing as that aircooled NVH and general oiliness inc smell for them is very important part of the experience. I was in the UK not long ago and attended my first PCGB concours. I noticed that dyed in the wool air cooled enthusiasts ain’t getting any younger. This cars not aimed at them!!!!

[Billsnemesis]

I have arrived at this rather late and to be honest can't be bothered reading the thread but this is my experience of Porsche ownership

Bought at £46,500 four and a half years ago

Closest comparison for sale through PH now - £49,750

Current insurance £450pa fully comp, protected no claims

Had I bought a newer car or maybe a different model the depreciation would have been crippling. As it is a 997 Gen 1 turbo manual seems to have been a good choice

Just fg do it. You can do the man maths afterwards

[nunpuncher]

IMI A said:

We’ve know this on every turbo Porsche since 1975? If they have strategies which fix or at partial fix the problem who cares? Many dyed in the wool air cooled owners would get out of the 992 rolling about laughing as that aircooled NVH and general oiliness inc smell for them is very important part of the experience. I was in the UK not long ago and attended my first PCGB concours. I noticed that dyed in the wool air cooled enthusiasts ain’t getting any younger. This cars not aimed at them!!!!

Even the sports exhaust on the new cars sounds relatively crap compared to the older cars due to all the regulations they have to meet now.

As for watercooled beards not getting any younger. There are more folk in their 40s who can afford £15k deposit then £800pm on the never never than folk who can drop almost £100k cash on what will most likely be a second/weekend car. Such cars always sit in the hands of those with the time and the money to maintain and enjoy them. If I had a spare £100k to drop on a car I wouldn't be putting it into a 992.

[prismv]

nunpuncher said:

IMI A said:

We’ve know this on every turbo Porsche since 1975? If they have strategies which fix or at partial fix the problem who cares? Many dyed in the wool air cooled owners would get out of the 992 rolling about laughing as that aircooled NVH and general oiliness inc smell for them is very important part of the experience. I was in the UK not long ago and attended my first PCGB concours. I noticed that dyed in the wool air cooled enthusiasts ain’t getting any younger. This cars not aimed at them!!!!

Even the sports exhaust on the new cars sounds relatively crap compared to the older cars due to all the regulations they have to meet now.

As for watercooled beards not getting any younger. There are more folk in their 40s who can afford £15k deposit then £800pm on the never never than folk who can drop almost £100k cash on what will most likely be a second/weekend car. Such cars always sit in the hands of those with the time and the money to maintain and enjoy them. If I had a spare £100k to drop on a car I wouldn't be putting it into a 992.

What would you put it in?

[DJMC]

prismv said:

What would you put it in?

...did the test drive go badly?

[prismv]

DJMC said:

prismv said:

What would you put it in?

...did the test drive go badly?

Just back at OPC

It was an experience for sure
Will write more detailed thoughts later

[jakesmith]

prismv said:

What would you put it in?

Sorry not aimed at me but for £100k I'd want something a bit more exciting than a 3.0 992

650
V12V / DBS
R8 V10
599 / Cali/ 430
Even a nice GranTurismo

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