992 - essential options vs depreciation?
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Interesting comments from Harry Metcalfe in his 992 vid....I’d be checking the different suspension options on the back of that. Most OPC’s will have cars with a variety of configurations.
https://youtu.be/Jyy5h6bVndg
https://youtu.be/Jyy5h6bVndg
Timbuktu said:
I've just ordered my 992 CS, my first ever new car order and also my first Porsche so quite excited. Only a 10 week wait too which is nice.
I'm planning on keeping the car for at least 3 years so I have specced it pretty highly, probably overkill in fact but I like gadgets and personalisation.
At the moment I've ticked the PDCC and PASM boxes although I'm not sure if I need them or not, will have to drive a few at the Porsche Experience Centre and see what the instructors think too. I haven't gone for PCCB as this will be a daily drive and never be used on a track.
What are people's thoughts on the Aerokit? I have specced it as quite like it as I'm not a fan of the rear 3rd brake light but I've got a whole month before I have to lock in my spec. There are no second hand ones for sale with the Aerokit that I can see.
This is how it currently looks!
I’d drop the PDCC as it makes the car too competent and a little dull to drive unless you’re 100% on it. I'm planning on keeping the car for at least 3 years so I have specced it pretty highly, probably overkill in fact but I like gadgets and personalisation.
At the moment I've ticked the PDCC and PASM boxes although I'm not sure if I need them or not, will have to drive a few at the Porsche Experience Centre and see what the instructors think too. I haven't gone for PCCB as this will be a daily drive and never be used on a track.
What are people's thoughts on the Aerokit? I have specced it as quite like it as I'm not a fan of the rear 3rd brake light but I've got a whole month before I have to lock in my spec. There are no second hand ones for sale with the Aerokit that I can see.
This is how it currently looks!
5050 said:
I’d drop the PDCC as it makes the car too competent and a little dull to drive unless you’re 100% on it.
I’ve had a 2S for 5 months now, just had Chrono and PASM, kept it simple and its sublime. Mine is all road, no track, a motorway cruiser and a sunday blast kind of thing. No ceramics or RWS, just didnt think I needed them. I would have definitely needed the aerokit if it had been available though!!!!Adam B said:
Timbuktu said:
I haven't gone for PCCB as this will be a daily drive and never be used on a track.
What are people's thoughts on the Aerokit? I have specced it as quite like it as I'm not a fan of the rear 3rd brake light but I've got a whole month before I have to lock in my spec. There are no second hand ones for sale with the Aerokit that I can see.
Please do a bit more research on PCCB, all road no track is precisely when you should consider speccing themWhat are people's thoughts on the Aerokit? I have specced it as quite like it as I'm not a fan of the rear 3rd brake light but I've got a whole month before I have to lock in my spec. There are no second hand ones for sale with the Aerokit that I can see.
Aerokit - not a fan, ruins the lines and a bit try hard but no wrong answer
Well in my case, it's because I know absolutely nothing about carbon ceramic brakes but presumably I'm not the only one that (fairly?) assumes an upgraded brake package would be more suited to those wanting to track the car!
I'm now going to read "The great PCCB debate"
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I'm now going to read "The great PCCB debate"
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Edited by Timbuktu on Thursday 6th February 19:25
Timbuktu said:
Well in my case, it's because I know absolutely nothing about carbon ceramic brakes but presumably I'm not the only one that assumes an upgraded brake package would be more suited to those wanting to track the car!
You are correct that the ceramics are brilliant on track. However, for extensive track use some people judge them to be too expensive, as a consumable, and spec steel or swap to aftermarket.But, for a number of reasons, they actually make a lot of sense on a road car.
Well I'm now slightly less ignorant on CC brakes thanks to the thread on the subject but still in two minds.
After reading some posts from knowledgable people, for road use I don't think there would a huge benefit as any unsprung weight saving is probably negated by the actual size increase of the PCCBs. It would be interesting to have the total weight of the calipers and discs for each setup.
Granted they look much better but yet another £6,900 to add to my already very expensive options list!
No rust would also be an advantage as the car will be kept outside.
To be honest I've pretty much talked myself into getting them just because they fill the gap inside the wheels better. Bargain
After reading some posts from knowledgable people, for road use I don't think there would a huge benefit as any unsprung weight saving is probably negated by the actual size increase of the PCCBs. It would be interesting to have the total weight of the calipers and discs for each setup.
Granted they look much better but yet another £6,900 to add to my already very expensive options list!
No rust would also be an advantage as the car will be kept outside.
To be honest I've pretty much talked myself into getting them just because they fill the gap inside the wheels better. Bargain
Taffy66 said:
I've just sold my 992S Coupe and i have a 992S Cabriolet finally arriving in November(4 months delay)..On my Coupe i had a strict limit of keeping extra cost options to less than 10% of the basic list price..This was to minimise depreciation as it was only meant to be a short term keeper..On my Coupe i chose Aventurine Green(Great colour) with Sport plus seats in Black/Mojave leather..Must haves for resale IMO were BOSE,Folding mirrors,Auto dip mirrors and Cruise control.I also chose -10mm sport suspension,Black sport exhaust and SC but no PDCC or RAS.
Based on my Coupe i made the following changes to my Cabriolet..I switched to Sport tex seats with Crayon stitch to contrast with Gentian blue exterior..I saw no value in the Sports exhaust and dropped it in favour of the RAS which makes a big difference to the car's dynamics. Inside i picked Brushed aluminium trim as i though the free plastic looked cheap in a £100K car,This all adds less than 10% to the basic list price which is important to limit depreciation IMO..
On a basic non S 992 Coupe i'd still keep options to less than 10% of list price..I'd go with either of the standard colours like Guards which is a personal choice..I'd have Sport plus seats so i could get Sport tex trim with Crayon stitching..Add some other value options but keep the whole options to less than 10% as i've done..
Taffy66Based on my Coupe i made the following changes to my Cabriolet..I switched to Sport tex seats with Crayon stitch to contrast with Gentian blue exterior..I saw no value in the Sports exhaust and dropped it in favour of the RAS which makes a big difference to the car's dynamics. Inside i picked Brushed aluminium trim as i though the free plastic looked cheap in a £100K car,This all adds less than 10% to the basic list price which is important to limit depreciation IMO..
On a basic non S 992 Coupe i'd still keep options to less than 10% of list price..I'd go with either of the standard colours like Guards which is a personal choice..I'd have Sport plus seats so i could get Sport tex trim with Crayon stitching..Add some other value options but keep the whole options to less than 10% as i've done..
Good advice, would you consider the S worth the extra £ on a road only car? I’m thinking not.......but...
Budweiser said:
Taffy66
Good advice, would you consider the S worth the extra £ on a road only car? I’m thinking not.......but...
As a road only car probably not..Watched Harry Metcalfe's 992S review recently and he criticised the ride although it was on the lower -20mm suspension..On a standard 992 i'd avoid the bigger wheels personally and enjoy the better ride of the 19''/20'' rims..I much prefer the sporttex seats on the 992 as they look very classy yet sportier than full leather with the benefits of not getting too hot in summer or too cold in winter..Good advice, would you consider the S worth the extra £ on a road only car? I’m thinking not.......but...
Guards red 992 Coupe, standard wheels ,Sporttex seats, BOSE and a few other bits and bobs would make a great 911 IMO..
Taffy66 said:
As a road only car probably not..Watched Harry Metcalfe's 992S review recently and he criticised the ride although it was on the lower -20mm suspension..On a standard 992 i'd avoid the bigger wheels personally and enjoy the better ride of the 19''/20'' rims..I much prefer the sporttex seats on the 992 as they look very classy yet sportier than full leather with the benefits of not getting too hot in summer or too cold in winter..
Guards red 992 Coupe, standard wheels ,Sporttex seats, BOSE and a few other bits and bobs would make a great 911 IMO..
Thank you....Guards red 992 Coupe, standard wheels ,Sporttex seats, BOSE and a few other bits and bobs would make a great 911 IMO..
It's the OP here -- time to give you all some feedback. Picked the car up in late November, did about 2,000 miles so far. Mainly London unfortunately as been busy with work and the weather wasn't great. Just one short trip to the Cotswolds so far. Planning a European trip in the summer.
Having rented a 992S for 24 hours before buying the base model I'm pleased to say the base is the more engaging choice on the road for me for the following reasons:
1. Easier to feel the rear end sliding a little in a turn even at low speeds (20-30mph) due to narrower tyres, always makes me smile
2. Engine seems a bit more rev-hungry, maybe slightly less lag. It's not as much of an immediate kick of torque up the backside at 2,000 RPM. You have to get on the gas to get the most out of it and can lift a bit later
3. Less road noise & softer ride due to smaller wheels which can't even be optioned on the S
Haven't been on track and not my thing so can't compare. Also, feels like it's still good value at £83k vs. £93k. Still don't like the look of the rear end that much but it's growing on me and the front is stunning.
Here's my spec:
- C2
- guards red
- standard wheels
- sports seats plus 4 way
- black/beige interior
- auto dimming mirrors
- BOSE
- adaptive cruise
- ventilated seats
- sunroof (metal not glass)
- ioniser
- gt steering wheel
There are four must have options in my view: sports seats plus, BOSE (not great, that's what the standard system should be like but no point specing the Burmester as it's a noisy car, the standard system is just a joke), auto dimming mirrors, and adaptive cruise control (works amazingly well, far better than my previous Audi S3).
The gt steering wheel is nicer to hold as it's thicker but that might be an individual preference, the gauges are obstructed by both steering wheels anyway. The ioniser seems to make a difference on polluted London roads, air feels cleaner than in my previous car.
The verdict is still outstanding on ventilated seats and sunroof as it's been too cold lately to use either. Probably can do without the sunroof, it doesn't open that much anyway.
As strange as it sounds what I miss the most are a few little details to make it look a bit more special: coloured wheel centres (just to make the wheels look a bit more interesting) & the headrest crests. Never thought I'd miss these bits, thought they're a complete waste of money when I ordered the car. They probably are a complete waste of money!
Far more importantly here is what I don't miss: Sports chrono (the sports button is enough & the clock makes an annoying reflection on the windscreen at night), Sports exhaust (it's loud enough as is and I found the exhaust made hardly any difference on the S), reversing camera or surround view (there's great visibility over the rear wheel arches, better than any other car), larger wheels (see comments above), auto folding mirrors (a guy on a bike recently clipped mine and it just rotated without damage, would have been damaged if it was auto folding), upgraded interior trim (standard is fine and matches the texture of the switches), rear wiper, upgraded lights
The only question I keep asking myself is whether my choice of beige leather which certainly lifts the interior & makes it look more fancy was right or if I should have gone for black leather or sports tex with red belts, both of which perhaps look a bit more classic. The beige leather also gets stained from dark blue denim, needs to be wiped regularly which can't be good in the long run even if done gently. Will post my verdict on the seat ventilation & sun roof after the summer.
Thank you everyone who contributed when I was placing my order!
Having rented a 992S for 24 hours before buying the base model I'm pleased to say the base is the more engaging choice on the road for me for the following reasons:
1. Easier to feel the rear end sliding a little in a turn even at low speeds (20-30mph) due to narrower tyres, always makes me smile
2. Engine seems a bit more rev-hungry, maybe slightly less lag. It's not as much of an immediate kick of torque up the backside at 2,000 RPM. You have to get on the gas to get the most out of it and can lift a bit later
3. Less road noise & softer ride due to smaller wheels which can't even be optioned on the S
Haven't been on track and not my thing so can't compare. Also, feels like it's still good value at £83k vs. £93k. Still don't like the look of the rear end that much but it's growing on me and the front is stunning.
Here's my spec:
- C2
- guards red
- standard wheels
- sports seats plus 4 way
- black/beige interior
- auto dimming mirrors
- BOSE
- adaptive cruise
- ventilated seats
- sunroof (metal not glass)
- ioniser
- gt steering wheel
There are four must have options in my view: sports seats plus, BOSE (not great, that's what the standard system should be like but no point specing the Burmester as it's a noisy car, the standard system is just a joke), auto dimming mirrors, and adaptive cruise control (works amazingly well, far better than my previous Audi S3).
The gt steering wheel is nicer to hold as it's thicker but that might be an individual preference, the gauges are obstructed by both steering wheels anyway. The ioniser seems to make a difference on polluted London roads, air feels cleaner than in my previous car.
The verdict is still outstanding on ventilated seats and sunroof as it's been too cold lately to use either. Probably can do without the sunroof, it doesn't open that much anyway.
As strange as it sounds what I miss the most are a few little details to make it look a bit more special: coloured wheel centres (just to make the wheels look a bit more interesting) & the headrest crests. Never thought I'd miss these bits, thought they're a complete waste of money when I ordered the car. They probably are a complete waste of money!
Far more importantly here is what I don't miss: Sports chrono (the sports button is enough & the clock makes an annoying reflection on the windscreen at night), Sports exhaust (it's loud enough as is and I found the exhaust made hardly any difference on the S), reversing camera or surround view (there's great visibility over the rear wheel arches, better than any other car), larger wheels (see comments above), auto folding mirrors (a guy on a bike recently clipped mine and it just rotated without damage, would have been damaged if it was auto folding), upgraded interior trim (standard is fine and matches the texture of the switches), rear wiper, upgraded lights
The only question I keep asking myself is whether my choice of beige leather which certainly lifts the interior & makes it look more fancy was right or if I should have gone for black leather or sports tex with red belts, both of which perhaps look a bit more classic. The beige leather also gets stained from dark blue denim, needs to be wiped regularly which can't be good in the long run even if done gently. Will post my verdict on the seat ventilation & sun roof after the summer.
Thank you everyone who contributed when I was placing my order!
mw300 said:
It's the OP here -- time to give you all some feedback. Picked the car up in late November, did about 2,000 miles so far. Mainly London unfortunately as been busy with work and the weather wasn't great. Just one short trip to the Cotswolds so far. Planning a European trip in the summer.
Having rented a 992S for 24 hours before buying the base model I'm pleased to say the base is the more engaging choice on the road for me for the following reasons:
1. Easier to feel the rear end sliding a little in a turn even at low speeds (20-30mph) due to narrower tyres, always makes me smile
2. Engine seems a bit more rev-hungry, maybe slightly less lag. It's not as much of an immediate kick of torque up the backside at 2,000 RPM. You have to get on the gas to get the most out of it and can lift a bit later
3. Less road noise & softer ride due to smaller wheels which can't even be optioned on the S
Haven't been on track and not my thing so can't compare. Also, feels like it's still good value at £83k vs. £93k. Still don't like the look of the rear end that much but it's growing on me and the front is stunning.
Here's my spec:
- C2
- guards red
- standard wheels
- sports seats plus 4 way
- black/beige interior
- auto dimming mirrors
- BOSE
- adaptive cruise
- ventilated seats
- sunroof (metal not glass)
- ioniser
- gt steering wheel
There are four must have options in my view: sports seats plus, BOSE (not great, that's what the standard system should be like but no point specing the Burmester as it's a noisy car, the standard system is just a joke), auto dimming mirrors, and adaptive cruise control (works amazingly well, far better than my previous Audi S3).
The gt steering wheel is nicer to hold as it's thicker but that might be an individual preference, the gauges are obstructed by both steering wheels anyway. The ioniser seems to make a difference on polluted London roads, air feels cleaner than in my previous car.
The verdict is still outstanding on ventilated seats and sunroof as it's been too cold lately to use either. Probably can do without the sunroof, it doesn't open that much anyway.
As strange as it sounds what I miss the most are a few little details to make it look a bit more special: coloured wheel centres (just to make the wheels look a bit more interesting) & the headrest crests. Never thought I'd miss these bits, thought they're a complete waste of money when I ordered the car. They probably are a complete waste of money!
Far more importantly here is what I don't miss: Sports chrono (the sports button is enough & the clock makes an annoying reflection on the windscreen at night), Sports exhaust (it's loud enough as is and I found the exhaust made hardly any difference on the S), reversing camera or surround view (there's great visibility over the rear wheel arches, better than any other car), larger wheels (see comments above), auto folding mirrors (a guy on a bike recently clipped mine and it just rotated without damage, would have been damaged if it was auto folding), upgraded interior trim (standard is fine and matches the texture of the switches), rear wiper, upgraded lights
The only question I keep asking myself is whether my choice of beige leather which certainly lifts the interior & makes it look more fancy was right or if I should have gone for black leather or sports tex with red belts, both of which perhaps look a bit more classic. The beige leather also gets stained from dark blue denim, needs to be wiped regularly which can't be good in the long run even if done gently. Will post my verdict on the seat ventilation & sun roof after the summer.
Thank you everyone who contributed when I was placing my order!
I think you got it more or less spot on, I over specified my 4S and it definitely wasn't better for it and also the reason I sold it. Having rented a 992S for 24 hours before buying the base model I'm pleased to say the base is the more engaging choice on the road for me for the following reasons:
1. Easier to feel the rear end sliding a little in a turn even at low speeds (20-30mph) due to narrower tyres, always makes me smile
2. Engine seems a bit more rev-hungry, maybe slightly less lag. It's not as much of an immediate kick of torque up the backside at 2,000 RPM. You have to get on the gas to get the most out of it and can lift a bit later
3. Less road noise & softer ride due to smaller wheels which can't even be optioned on the S
Haven't been on track and not my thing so can't compare. Also, feels like it's still good value at £83k vs. £93k. Still don't like the look of the rear end that much but it's growing on me and the front is stunning.
Here's my spec:
- C2
- guards red
- standard wheels
- sports seats plus 4 way
- black/beige interior
- auto dimming mirrors
- BOSE
- adaptive cruise
- ventilated seats
- sunroof (metal not glass)
- ioniser
- gt steering wheel
There are four must have options in my view: sports seats plus, BOSE (not great, that's what the standard system should be like but no point specing the Burmester as it's a noisy car, the standard system is just a joke), auto dimming mirrors, and adaptive cruise control (works amazingly well, far better than my previous Audi S3).
The gt steering wheel is nicer to hold as it's thicker but that might be an individual preference, the gauges are obstructed by both steering wheels anyway. The ioniser seems to make a difference on polluted London roads, air feels cleaner than in my previous car.
The verdict is still outstanding on ventilated seats and sunroof as it's been too cold lately to use either. Probably can do without the sunroof, it doesn't open that much anyway.
As strange as it sounds what I miss the most are a few little details to make it look a bit more special: coloured wheel centres (just to make the wheels look a bit more interesting) & the headrest crests. Never thought I'd miss these bits, thought they're a complete waste of money when I ordered the car. They probably are a complete waste of money!
Far more importantly here is what I don't miss: Sports chrono (the sports button is enough & the clock makes an annoying reflection on the windscreen at night), Sports exhaust (it's loud enough as is and I found the exhaust made hardly any difference on the S), reversing camera or surround view (there's great visibility over the rear wheel arches, better than any other car), larger wheels (see comments above), auto folding mirrors (a guy on a bike recently clipped mine and it just rotated without damage, would have been damaged if it was auto folding), upgraded interior trim (standard is fine and matches the texture of the switches), rear wiper, upgraded lights
The only question I keep asking myself is whether my choice of beige leather which certainly lifts the interior & makes it look more fancy was right or if I should have gone for black leather or sports tex with red belts, both of which perhaps look a bit more classic. The beige leather also gets stained from dark blue denim, needs to be wiped regularly which can't be good in the long run even if done gently. Will post my verdict on the seat ventilation & sun roof after the summer.
Thank you everyone who contributed when I was placing my order!
The Burmester was really poor (way worse than my previous 991.2 TTS), PDCC made it too competent, sports exhaust wasn't worth it (I struggled to tell if it was on or not), I could have lived without the sunroof and adaptive/vented seats.
I also rate the adaptive cruise (although not as good as current Mercedes system) and the GT heated wheel is good, sports chrono is only worth it for the mode selector on the steering wheel, surround view was good but not worth the extra over sensors and rear camera.
Less is more people.. Plus you will lose less at resale time!
Love the red! Not sure about red + beige on a Porsche, but still, I wouldn't kick it out of bed 
The major options I didn't spec on my 4S, apart from things like aerokits - no thanks, were ceramics + PDCC (didn't see the point of either) + lower suspension (no need!).
Going down the list I also skipped on the full surround cameras, blind spot monitoring and keyless entry.
The first because I didn't like the blobs on the door mirrors and visibility is great anyway, the second because false positives drive me mad, and the third to make insurance (and my mind) easier after my buddy had his car done at a service station. Course because you can't prove you locked the thing, his insurers didn't pay out.
I specced folding mirrors because I know for sure the darn thing is locked!
Rear wheel steer is great for the Waitrose car park. Heaven knows if I can really tell when it's doing it's thing, but there we go. It certainly goes where it's pointed anyway.
I may have turned mine into a big heavy beast weighted down with excess leather, seat motors and hifi bits, but it doesn't half shift still and never gets unsettled in wet conditions.
The major options I didn't spec on my 4S, apart from things like aerokits - no thanks, were ceramics + PDCC (didn't see the point of either) + lower suspension (no need!).
Going down the list I also skipped on the full surround cameras, blind spot monitoring and keyless entry.
The first because I didn't like the blobs on the door mirrors and visibility is great anyway, the second because false positives drive me mad, and the third to make insurance (and my mind) easier after my buddy had his car done at a service station. Course because you can't prove you locked the thing, his insurers didn't pay out.
I specced folding mirrors because I know for sure the darn thing is locked!
Rear wheel steer is great for the Waitrose car park. Heaven knows if I can really tell when it's doing it's thing, but there we go. It certainly goes where it's pointed anyway.
I may have turned mine into a big heavy beast weighted down with excess leather, seat motors and hifi bits, but it doesn't half shift still and never gets unsettled in wet conditions.
cayman-black said:
Yeap it amazes me the amount of folk that think the pccb,s are track use brakes.
Including journos! https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...JohnBRG said:
OP - I've spent hours on the 992 configurator. when I spec one the same as my old 997, I'm at almost 100K.
Then I realise that if I bought one then the year one depreciation would exceed the value of my 997 - which is no longer depreciating, has required only routine maintenance and which sails through its MOT every year.
I’m in a similar position with a 991.1; think I want a 992 4S or GTS but lightly used ones from OPC don’t seem to reflect enough depreciation!
My advice - buy a cherished 997.1 and content yourself in the knowledge that your 'new' 911 has cost you less than a year's depreciation on a 992. And you get to keep it forever.
Then I realise that if I bought one then the year one depreciation would exceed the value of my 997 - which is no longer depreciating, has required only routine maintenance and which sails through its MOT every year.
I’m in a similar position with a 991.1; think I want a 992 4S or GTS but lightly used ones from OPC don’t seem to reflect enough depreciation!
My advice - buy a cherished 997.1 and content yourself in the knowledge that your 'new' 911 has cost you less than a year's depreciation on a 992. And you get to keep it forever.
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