Latest 992 GT3 pictures reveal diffuser and foil

[Macca993]

Here is the latest video of the touring 992 GT3 Touring testing at the Nurburgring a few days ago. Have to say the car to my ears sounds very good given the GPF etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPo1S8pSFPo&fe...

[Macca993]

Check out the sound around 1.20 of the video. Sounds like the manual...

[Dr S]

Macca993 said:

Check out the sound around 1.20 of the video. Sounds like the manual...

Touring should be default manual - if the 1.2 GT3 is anything to go by.

When I saw a vanilla 992 testing a while back I thought it looked great - at first almost mistook it for a Turbo. Not yet sure the 2GT3 does it for me - even in Touring spec which would be my choice. Not sold on the rear end which does look like a GT division car at all to me

[Porsche911R]

Macca993 said:

I find Porsches evolution of the GT3 exciting. I use the car mostly on the track not to look at. Ive had most GT3 from 993RS but excluding 997 generation. Every evolution is better than the last for the most part but of course there are always a few things I wish they could have kept (aircooled engine sounded nicer and you could see it in the engine bay, I like the lighter weight of the 996 GT3 and the 997 GT3 had a nice meaty clutch.

Im willing to wager if we come back to this thread in 3 years time more than 50% of those claiming their current 991.2 GT3 is a "keeper" will have passed it on for a 992 GT3/RS. I love my .2 GT3 manual clubsport PCCB lift car but Im not blinkered. Untill I read, hear or learn something fundamentally worse about the 992 GT3 than the car I own Ill continue to look forward to its release and getting my allocation delivered.

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I don't find them exciting, the newer cars get worse due to regs and tech, yes faster, but they are fast enough.

I avoided the 991.1 as it had PDk, I hate the box, it dull as ! and to big a driver aid to enjoy the car.

the GT4 was a revelation so I did buy a new car then , but the engine did not match the gear box very well,

to bring back the 991.2 gt3 in manual was a good move for punters who enjoy more involvement, and the 992 will reduce that imo.
I don't see me buying any new car to be honest.

nothing about being blinkered or sticking up for a car I own, I slag off most of my cars but I sell them quite fast if I do and people forget that bit ! , not many are great, the 991.2 manual is.

and I do think the 991.1 engine issues had a BIG part to play in how good the 991.2 engine is so thank goodness for the 991.1 crappy engine which forced Porsche to make something very special.

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 20th August 08:54

[Porsche911R]

Macca993 said:

Here is the latest video of the touring 992 GT3 Touring testing at the Nurburgring a few days ago. Have to say the car to my ears sounds very good given the GPF etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPo1S8pSFPo&fe...

the 992 will not be muted like the GT4 as Porsche have removed the 2 side muffler, so you do get a nice sound, where the 718 GT4 sounds rubbish imo.

it won't be a raw as the 991.2 flaps open, but nor will any new car ever again.

But not sure why people are jumping on the muted 718 GT4 bandwagon, maybe they are not taking an interest in what Porsche are doing in the GT3 to keep the sound !

the looks are fine also imo for the 992, 996 back end, 993 front end and a motorsport wing, which will appeal to a lot of people.

I just don't like the dash, the dials, the switchgear and don't get me started about cup holders !!!

also weight will be interesting as removing the side mufflers saves 20kg's, but we will see what is needed and what they add over all, if it has stop start etc it's the death of the GT car if the weight goes up too much.

911 GT cars are pretty cheap super cars, but a trip to Manthey fixes the cheapness lol I mean fixes the suspension.

Monoball the whole thing, and you have a RS manual with trick shocks and a RSR sound. does not get any better imo.

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 20th August 09:09

[browngt3]

Porsche911R said:

and I do think the 991.1 engine issues had a BIG part to play in how good the 991.2 engine is so thank goodness for the 991.1 crappy engine which forced Porsche to make something very special.

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 20th August 08:54

Very good point

[Porsche911R]

browngt3 said:

Very good point

yes as Porsche would not have fitted that engine to the 991.2 GT3 at the cost it is !!

I see at the last PCGB track day another 991.1 engine let go !! the 3rd I hear in that car.

if the 991.1 are tracked they will fail, it seems a given, 2 engine went at the 2018 RS day when I was there !

So good things come from bad things some times, but boy I don't get why people buy 991.1's at todays prices. with that engine !!

[browngt3]

The reason for the still very strong residuals for the 991.1 is that it has a much broader appeal as a usable everyday supercar than earlier iterations. The PDK obviously helps in this regard. Plus the hype and therefore demand for the GT product in general is still very high and at times underestimated on here.

Still, as Macca observed, we don't want this thread veering off into yet another values discussion!

If the 991.2 engine is as expensive to produce as you say, what compromises might they make for the 992? Is this another reason to make the 992 a much more expensive GT3?

[Porsche911R]

browngt3 said:

The reason for the still very strong residuals for the 991.1 is that it has a much broader appeal as a usable everyday supercar than earlier iterations. The PDK obviously helps in this regard. Plus the hype and therefore demand for the GT product in general is still very high and at times underestimated on here.

Still, as Macca observed, we don't want this thread veering off into yet another values discussion!

If the 991.2 engine is as expensive to produce as you say, what compromises might they make for the 992? Is this another reason to make the 992 a much more expensive GT3?

I don't think 60% 991 GT3 buyers even know about the engines to be fair and as these sorts of buyers won't track either then the engine should stay together.

992 will have the 991.2 engine but as you say maybe now more £££

I cannot be the only one who hates the inside of a 992, no one else has said much, and it's all wing talk which is the bit I like :-)

992 seems all a bit meh to me, the next exciting car should be the 450BHP GT4 PDK RS.

[isaldiri]

browngt3 said:

If the 991.2 engine is as expensive to produce as you say, what compromises might they make for the 992? Is this another reason to make the 992 a much more expensive GT3?

This mega expensive .2 engine thing is nonsense and does my head in when it gets quoted as an article of faith.

The 9A1 gt3 engine (which the .2 still is an iteration of) has always been expensive. Just try buying a 991.1 rs engine or even the 991.1 gt3 engine. It won't be very far off the current 'supposedly best ever most expensive' engine of the .2 gt3.

[av185]

£45k I heard some time back.

Unsure how accurate that is.

[browngt3]

isaldiri said:

browngt3 said:

If the 991.2 engine is as expensive to produce as you say, what compromises might they make for the 992? Is this another reason to make the 992 a much more expensive GT3?

This mega expensive .2 engine thing is nonsense and does my head in when it gets quoted as an article of faith.

The 9A1 gt3 engine (which the .2 still is an iteration of) has always been expensive. Just try buying a 991.1 rs engine or even the 991.1 gt3 engine. It won't be very far off the current 'supposedly best ever most expensive' engine of the .2 gt3.

I'm sure you're right. However, given the issues with the gen 1, Porsche made a considerable investment in correcting those issues for the gen 2. They absolutely couldn't risk their reputation with repeated on-track failures again so if anything the new engine is over-engineered.

I'm not technically qualified to make this statement just using some logic based on what I have heard/read these last couple of years.

I would like a 964RS but the single biggest thing stopping me is that. 2 engine. I know I would miss it!

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

browngt3 said:

If the 991.2 engine is as expensive to produce as you say, what compromises might they make for the 992? Is this another reason to make the 992 a much more expensive GT3?

This mega expensive .2 engine thing is nonsense and does my head in when it gets quoted as an article of faith.

The 9A1 gt3 engine (which the .2 still is an iteration of) has always been expensive. Just try buying a 991.1 rs engine or even the 991.1 gt3 engine. It won't be very far off the current 'supposedly best ever most expensive' engine of the .2 gt3.

bring it up with AP, it was his words about how expensive it was to fit this engine to a production car.

when you say "supposedly best ever most expensive"

It really is the most expensive and best ever engine fitted to a GT3 to date ! so not sure why it does your head in.

[red997]

av185 said:

£45k I heard some time back.

Unsure how accurate that is.

its accurate.
I have the invoice

[MDL111]

Porsche911R said:

isaldiri said:

browngt3 said:

If the 991.2 engine is as expensive to produce as you say, what compromises might they make for the 992? Is this another reason to make the 992 a much more expensive GT3?

This mega expensive .2 engine thing is nonsense and does my head in when it gets quoted as an article of faith.

The 9A1 gt3 engine (which the .2 still is an iteration of) has always been expensive. Just try buying a 991.1 rs engine or even the 991.1 gt3 engine. It won't be very far off the current 'supposedly best ever most expensive' engine of the .2 gt3.

bring it up with AP, it was his words about how expensive it was to fit this engine to a production car.

when you say "supposedly best ever most expensive"

It really is the most expensive and best ever engine fitted to a GT3 to date ! so not sure why it does your head in.

out of curiosity - anybody know what a McLaren engine or a Ferrari V8/V12 costs - how does it compare to a GT3 engine?

I think the car will look good and will be popular, anything else would be a surprise imo

[isaldiri]

browngt3 said:

I'm sure you're right. However, given the issues with the gen 1, Porsche made a considerable investment in correcting those issues for the gen 2. They absolutely couldn't risk their reputation with repeated on-track failures again so if anything the new engine is over-engineered.

I'm not technically qualified to make this statement just using some logic based on what I have heard/read these last couple of years.

The .1 rs already had pretty much all the issues resolved from the gt3 though. The rs engine has held up incredibly well despite the very large numbers of them being used on track in Europe. It's not only from the gen2 cars that have corrected the original .1gt3 engine issues.

The gen2 engine is an improvement over the .1rs I agree but the proverbial kitchen sink was being thrown by PAG at making sure of reliability on the early 9A1 engine already for the .1 rs and not just the .2 gt3. A 500PS 4litre engine with peak power at 8200 rpm really isn't that different from one iteration to another.....

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

The .1 rs already had pretty much all the issues resolved from the gt3 though. The rs engine has held up incredibly well despite the very large numbers of them being used on track in Europe. It's not only from the gen2 cars that have corrected the original .1gt3 engine issues.

The gen2 engine is an improvement over the .1rs I agree but the proverbial kitchen sink was being thrown by PAG at making sure of reliability on the early 9A1 engine already for the .1 rs and not just the .2 gt3. A 500PS 4litre engine with peak power at 8200 rpm really isn't that different from one iteration to another.....

the RS had to have the rev limit from the 991.1 reduced !, it's the same layout and not really any closer to the 991.2 engine.

[av185]

isaldiri said:

The .1 rs already had pretty much all the issues resolved from the gt3 though. The rs engine has held up incredibly well despite the very large numbers of them being used on track in Europe. It's not only from the gen2 cars that have corrected the original .1gt3 engine issues.

The gen2 engine is an improvement over the .1rs I agree but the proverbial kitchen sink was being thrown by PAG at making sure of reliability on the early 9A1 engine already for the .1 rs and not just the .2 gt3. A 500PS 4litre engine with peak power at 8200 rpm really isn't that different from one iteration to another.....

Presumably not all of the proverbial kitchen sink was thrown at the .1 rs engine judging reports of new engines required and valve train issues.

[isaldiri]

av185 said:

Presumably not all of the proverbial kitchen sink was thrown at the .1 rs engine judging reports of new engines required and valve train issues.

That's the .1 gt3 issue not the rs. As I said, the .1 rs has been very heavily used on track in europe and has not shown any systemic fragility, unlike the gt3 which had issues almost immediately post engine recall.

afaik, the rs has had the odd replacement engine for excessive oil usage but the number of cars that I know which have had that is pretty much the same as the number of .2 gt3s that had new engines too and I know of a lot more people with the rs than the gt3.

[hunter 66]

Things happen when you go up the rev range that is natural , hit the limiter a fair few times in my RS and after over 6 k miles , few track days , Hill climb event and blast here and there , still added no oil to the engine ....
The race RS needs to be topped up every 2 hours or so running ....
New engine seems solid enough ....