Do you get much jealously ?
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Desert Dragon said:
The Surveyor said:
av185 said:
I take the view that the world has changed in general terms over the last few years and there is alot more jealousy and envy together with a lot less respect for material possessions.
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100% correct, it's also being fed by politics too. 'For the many not the few' and other anti-capitalist mantra's being promoted to the point where the growing 'have nots' believe anybody who has been successful has only achieved their success by tax dodging or robbing from the poor, or both!…..
Still, taking a GT3 to Lidl is asking for it
The Surveyor said:
Desert Dragon said:
The Surveyor said:
av185 said:
I take the view that the world has changed in general terms over the last few years and there is alot more jealousy and envy together with a lot less respect for material possessions.
…..
100% correct, it's also being fed by politics too. 'For the many not the few' and other anti-capitalist mantra's being promoted to the point where the growing 'have nots' believe anybody who has been successful has only achieved their success by tax dodging or robbing from the poor, or both!…..
Still, taking a GT3 to Lidl is asking for it
About 10 years ago, a friend of mine was waiting at traffic lights in his R8. A van pulls up next to him and driver starts shouting. The van driver shouts "oi t
t, don't you know there's a bloody recession going on".
My friend replies "yes, but I've decided not to participate" just as the lights go green and he disappears.
Made me giggle.
t, don't you know there's a bloody recession going on". My friend replies "yes, but I've decided not to participate" just as the lights go green and he disappears.
Made me giggle.
Desert Dragon said:
I think there's terrible jealousy even on these forums. Look at the roasters on the Supercar forum asking AV to put pics of his car collection up. Some complete see you next weds did this to me a few years back. They judge by their own ordinary humdrum lives and seem to glee in other people being made to feel uncomfortable on these boards. Same happened to Brnt Rubber not long ago. Priceless when you actually indulge them but no humble pie on their part even when you do lol. Just green eyed envy. Why would anyone post a pic up for people like that?!
its tues not weds.;)Desert Dragon said:
I think there's terrible jealousy even on these forums. Look at the roasters on the Supercar forum asking AV to put pics of his car collection up. Some complete see you next weds did this to me a few years back. They judge by their own ordinary humdrum lives and seem to glee in other people being made to feel uncomfortable on these boards. Same happened to Brnt Rubber not long ago. Priceless when you actually indulge them but no humble pie on their part even when you do lol. Just green eyed envy. Why would anyone post a pic up for people like that?!
The poster you mention has a confrontational posting style & disparages all manor of cars including several entire brands & anything that has not been bought for cash. This inevitably sparks conflict nothing to do with jealousy but to do with getting people's backs up.Anyone claiming to have a fantastic collection of dream cars on a car forum could expect to be asked for pictures, people would love to see such a collection, again hardly fueled by jealousy.
I can't see the point of owning all these fantastic cars and then joining a forum seemingly mainly to belittle other people who aren't as wealthy but if that makes me a 'roaster' so be it whatever the f
k that meansjakesmith said:
I can't see the point of owning all these fantastic cars and then joining a forum seemingly mainly to belittle other people who aren't as wealthy but if that makes me a 'roaster' so be it whatever the f
k that meansJust because he doesn't agree with you (and me re GT2 RS) does not mean he's belittling you. Re owning all these fantastic cars why does anyone own anything? You probably have more cars than you need! He owns all the cars in his profile by the way. Was offered a very special car of his not long ago.
RDMcG said:
To be fair I think something has changed.
I am 70 now and as a very poor kid on Ireland I would sometimes see an expensive car and wonder at it. Yet, what was different was that there was a chance to progress for me and many others. Like many of my generation I could get summer work in factories, scholarships and so on to school and have a variety of job opportunities when I graduated. Looking at a rare E Type was magic, but there was just a remote chance that one day, some day I might get a nice car. I did not resent the people who had one, just dreamed about one day.....
So many did well because the job market was expanding.
Now, it is much tougher for younger people. Housing has become unaffordable, long term careers difficult, pensions a joke outside public service.
There is little job security relatively.
We have greater income inequality combined with endless media coverage of the idle rich. You can hardly turn to a newsfeed without seeing some picture of Kim Kardashian, some oligarch's yacht, Middle East cars zooming through Knightsbridge.
As a result, many people see no way forward -you need to constantly adapt. Thus ,seeing some perfectly inoffensive person in a Porsche or the like does not create hope but rage when you know there is no realistic way upwards.
Good post and I broadly agree with what you say R but I am not totally convinced regarding your assertion it is much tougher for young people these days.I am 70 now and as a very poor kid on Ireland I would sometimes see an expensive car and wonder at it. Yet, what was different was that there was a chance to progress for me and many others. Like many of my generation I could get summer work in factories, scholarships and so on to school and have a variety of job opportunities when I graduated. Looking at a rare E Type was magic, but there was just a remote chance that one day, some day I might get a nice car. I did not resent the people who had one, just dreamed about one day.....
So many did well because the job market was expanding.
Now, it is much tougher for younger people. Housing has become unaffordable, long term careers difficult, pensions a joke outside public service.
There is little job security relatively.
We have greater income inequality combined with endless media coverage of the idle rich. You can hardly turn to a newsfeed without seeing some picture of Kim Kardashian, some oligarch's yacht, Middle East cars zooming through Knightsbridge.
As a result, many people see no way forward -you need to constantly adapt. Thus ,seeing some perfectly inoffensive person in a Porsche or the like does not create hope but rage when you know there is no realistic way upwards.
As we all know the powers of the internet are incredible and this has provided many of the younger instagrammer generation and older with huge opportunities which never existed before. I know a number of these who have done seriously well in a very short time.
To counter this, and at the other extreme perhaps, the sense of self entitlement of many particularly the Millenial generation often beggars belief and there are a disproportionate number in this age category who seriously think the world owes them a living.
IMI A said:
Just because he doesn't agree with you (and me re GT2 RS) does not mean he's belittling you.
I'm not bored enough to go back through old threads and start quoting but it is disingenuous to reference one part of that one recent thread. He has in recent months denigrated all recent Audis and BMWs, the Evoque, calls the R8 a tarted up TT, has particular loathing for the C63, and is disparaging towards anyone who has bought their car using finance. There are other valid automotive choices for those who haven't the means to spend £2m on a load of rare Porsches & Ferarris. Rather than extolling the virtue of these wonderful vehicles he seems to me to use his ownership of them as a platform to ridicule most other vehicles. If that's not belittling then I don't know what is & I am far from the only one to observe or comment this. I don't want to get into a spat with anyone but don't see it as appropriate to use this poster as an example of someone who is victimised by hoards of jealous Pistonheads posters that's all. Sorry.
Edited by jakesmith on Thursday 5th September 20:59
av185 said:
Good post and I broadly agree with what you say R but I am not totally convinced regarding your assertion it is much tougher for young people these days.
As we all know the powers of the internet are incredible and this has provided many of the younger instagrammer generation and older with huge opportunities which never existed before. I know a number of these who have done seriously well in a very short time.
To counter this, and at the other extreme perhaps, the sense of self entitlement of many particularly the Millenial generation often beggars belief and there are a disproportionate number in this age category who seriously think the world owes them a living.
Of course there are many who have done well in the current connected world - some are immensely successful . These are not the people who are ranting against flash cars. I do not think that they are in the majority- just an opinion. However, even for the successful there is a blindingly fast rate of change due to the rate of technological innovation. You need to constantly re skill or be left behind.As we all know the powers of the internet are incredible and this has provided many of the younger instagrammer generation and older with huge opportunities which never existed before. I know a number of these who have done seriously well in a very short time.
To counter this, and at the other extreme perhaps, the sense of self entitlement of many particularly the Millenial generation often beggars belief and there are a disproportionate number in this age category who seriously think the world owes them a living.
The next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
RDMcG said:
av185 said:
Good post and I broadly agree with what you say R but I am not totally convinced regarding your assertion it is much tougher for young people these days.
As we all know the powers of the internet are incredible and this has provided many of the younger instagrammer generation and older with huge opportunities which never existed before. I know a number of these who have done seriously well in a very short time.
To counter this, and at the other extreme perhaps, the sense of self entitlement of many particularly the Millenial generation often beggars belief and there are a disproportionate number in this age category who seriously think the world owes them a living.
Of course there are many who have done well in the current connected world - some are immensely successful . These are not the people who are ranting against flash cars. I do not think that they are in the majority- just an opinion. However, even for the successful there is a blindingly fast rate of change due to the rate of technological innovation. You need to constantly re skill or be left behind.As we all know the powers of the internet are incredible and this has provided many of the younger instagrammer generation and older with huge opportunities which never existed before. I know a number of these who have done seriously well in a very short time.
To counter this, and at the other extreme perhaps, the sense of self entitlement of many particularly the Millenial generation often beggars belief and there are a disproportionate number in this age category who seriously think the world owes them a living.
The next few years with AI, 5G, quantum computing and so on will once again be transformative. Very tough to keep current. It was much slower when I was young, and I was lucky enough to grab a little piece the technological change as personal computing, networks, the web and mobility changed the world.
I have no sympathy for those who believe that the world owes them a living ,but I think that there are many places where life is becoming almost feral, with no peer group of people on the move to success, lots of substance abuse, poor parenting and so on. I certainly see it in parts of the US and Canada and I understand that there are some very depressed parts of the UK too. It's tough to move out of these places.
Just an impression. Now, back to Porsches
I honestly think the world (or at least the small part of North East England I live in) offers as many opportunities as it ever has. I see no sign of any oppression against the young other than the poor snowflake parenting mentioned above. The world still needs plumbers, tilers, accountants, solicitors, financial advisers, etc. Get trained up, get experience and then set up your own business. It can’t be that difficult as I have plenty clients in their 20’s and 30’s who are doing extraordinarily well basically doing this. Some are academically gifted, some are not - but still seem to do as well due to their work ethic.
jakesmith said:
Desert Dragon said:
I think there's terrible jealousy even on these forums. Look at the roasters on the Supercar forum asking AV to put pics of his car collection up. Some complete see you next weds did this to me a few years back. They judge by their own ordinary humdrum lives and seem to glee in other people being made to feel uncomfortable on these boards. Same happened to Brnt Rubber not long ago. Priceless when you actually indulge them but no humble pie on their part even when you do lol. Just green eyed envy. Why would anyone post a pic up for people like that?!
The poster you mention has a confrontational posting style & disparages all manor of cars including several entire brands & anything that has not been bought for cash. This inevitably sparks conflict nothing to do with jealousy but to do with getting people's backs up.Anyone claiming to have a fantastic collection of dream cars on a car forum could expect to be asked for pictures, people would love to see such a collection, again hardly fueled by jealousy.
I can't see the point of owning all these fantastic cars and then joining a forum seemingly mainly to belittle other people who aren't as wealthy but if that makes me a 'roaster' so be it whatever the f
k that meansYour post speaks for itself though.
I’ve given three very good examples of what in my opinion amounts to green eyed envy sprinkled with a tinge of insecurity on these forums. Each and everytime the plants calling custard blown out the water but not even a simple apology. These are car forums where everyone has opinions good and bad depending on perspective.
Why not toughen up a little rather than taking everything so personally?
It is after all just an online car forum not be taken too seriously. Half the time posters are just yanking your chain. Of course an R8 isn’t a melted Audi TT RS or whatever (of course not
) but it’s amusing hearing it described that way. Just my opinion 
nebpor said:
The Surveyor said:
That's all fine, but why Porsche more than other marques?
What data do you have to back up such a wide-ranging statement?I've never had a single incident in my two cars.
My comment is purely based upon the anecdotal comments on this thread. I've personally never had any negative comments after years of driving TVRs, Aston Martin, Maserati, and now McLaren, yet we have a couple of posts on here where negative reactions have been received by Porsche drivers. Maybe it is the old 'yuppy' image of Porsche drivers rubbing their wealth in everybody's noses in the 80's, or maybe its a product of the greater number of Porsche on the road which increases the potential, or maybe it's due to Porsche drivers using their cars on a daily basis which leads them into areas where such resentment is more likely, I don't know hence the question.
jakesmith said:
notsomadmick said:
Today I went shopping at Lidl.
As I loaded my car afterward, (991.2 GT3) an unknown white male in a VW van drives by my car with his window down. I did not know him. He then leans out the window and shouts: "You f...ing w..ker - that's what a right f...ing w....ker looks like."
Since the was no pre-road rage issue, I assumed the man was probably jealous.
I have the odd family member who more politely frowns on my excess spending on cars - just wondered if anyone else experiences this sort of rubbish ?
It happens. You can avoid it by going to Waitrose, honestly.As I loaded my car afterward, (991.2 GT3) an unknown white male in a VW van drives by my car with his window down. I did not know him. He then leans out the window and shouts: "You f...ing w..ker - that's what a right f...ing w....ker looks like."
Since the was no pre-road rage issue, I assumed the man was probably jealous.
I have the odd family member who more politely frowns on my excess spending on cars - just wondered if anyone else experiences this sort of rubbish ?
I would rather drive the Porsche than the van.
Once a load of cyclists came half way out of a junction and I chose not to stop to let them all come out and be stuck behind them as they ride 3 abreast and shouting at eachother. One of them said "All Maserati drivers are w
kers" as I drove past. For simply continuing along a road that I have right of way on. I am not a violent person and have never been in a fight but for a split second I was tempted to get out the car. But I didn't.Occasionally get a negative comment in one car park or another - but pretty rarely - far more common positive comment.
Never happens in waitrose car park - smiles, hellos, and plenty of nice cars around also - never any bother. (there was a 250 GTO there in race livery 6 months back, and nothing but admiring friendly comments - lovely sound too).
So I guess it's just where you are, rather than what you're in.
jakesmith said:
I think you raise some very good points but of most interest are your usage of ‘plants’ and ‘roasters’ as pejorative terms, please explain the etymology of these terms as I am now in a state of medium intrigue?
I shouldn't but I'll indulge your addiction and insecurities just a little if I may?You see you're looking for an adversarial fencing match again. You can't help yourself.
I've had well over 1000 people work for me. Mostly oxbridge and most of them have little or no emotional intelligence whatsoever. Us thick people just hire all the clever people in this world. 2 a penny. Jog on
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