991.2 GT3 sell now or keep dilemma

[franki68]

ZeroH said:

You must have had an issue with the slave cylinder or accumulator as the 996 clutch is exceptionally light to press by design

Nothing like a 997gt3 as mentioned a few posts up - you can't compare a hydraulically assisted clutch to one without that assistance.

Didn't have enough tome to find out as the car blew up.

[nebpor]

franki68 said:

The 996 turbo clutch was a bit heavy,I had quite a few back issues when I had that car,loved it though.

The 996 clutch is power assisted!! It's far too light - the main thing I hate about the car. I wonder if yours had the slave cylinder removed?

I'd install the 996GT2 mod (not power assisted) but it would cost £££ that would be better spent elsewhere

[Melvynr]

Porsche911R said:

just different diving style that's all. I would rather drive mid engine stuff, it's more my style when leaning to drive fast in my Lotus days, the 991.2 drives a bit more mid engine I feel, don't make it any easier to drive fast, just different. Front tracks not that wide vs the 992 cars it's still a 911 on quite thin front 245 tyres and still understeers vs other cars I have unless you drive it right, the DNA is still there and the sus is the same parts and layout as a 996 GT3 from 1999. if you want turn in, the RS 265's front tyres even wider track and E-diff offer that in spaces over a manual GT3.
RWS brings nothing to the party imo.

I see very few on track driven fast, so not sure how easy you think it is, the only cars setting alight times is either Jonny C or Tim harvey and both of those are PDK anyway.

pop a 1.13 in your .2 manual at donny nest summer I might sit up and take note as you do race it would in interesting what sort of time you could post in a manual .2 there.
I know I cannot put in such a time so for me it's not that easy to pilot and the cars a lot better than I am so a total challenge.

Its really quite cringy when you say the GT3 is to fast for the road, but then start on about fooken times around a track. Bet the miles on your GT3 are minimal and never been tracked.Fook knows how you get on in your DTM sliding about, thought it was quite funny when you said it scares you, 500hp, Jesus.
RWS doesn't bring anything to the party, how about it just about cuts out understeer and makes the car very evenly balanced. Then I've got to listen to you harp on about manual boxes which simply is not in the same league as PDK on a track, and as tiresome as fook in the city.Plenty of vids on the Tube to see the manual is missing a gear.

[JulierPass]

Porsche911R said:

JulierPass said:

As an owner of one from new I don't get how you can call it "special". I can objectively say, given the 8 GT cars I have in my garage that the least special is the 991.2. I'll admit its the easiest to live with and to drive quickly, but it simply doesn't require the same level of ability to get the best out of it that all of the previous cars did. RWS and a wider front track have made it so. IMO half the fun in 911's has been learning how to get the best out of them. The 991 robs you of the majority of this skill set as is so much easier to rotate the car and doesn't require you to treat it in a certain way to get the best out of it.

just different diving style that's all. I would rather drive mid engine stuff, it's more my style when leaning to drive fast in my Lotus days, the 991.2 drives a bit more mid engine I feel, don't make it any easier to drive fast, just different. Front tracks not that wide vs the 992 cars it's still a 911 on quite thin front 245 tyres and still understeers vs other cars I have unless you drive it right, the DNA is still there and the sus is the same parts and layout as a 996 GT3 from 1999. if you want turn in, the RS 265's front tyres even wider track and E-diff offer that in spaces over a manual GT3.
RWS brings nothing to the party imo.

I see very few on track driven fast, so not sure how easy you think it is, the only cars setting alight times is either Jonny C or Tim harvey and both of those are PDK anyway.

pop a 1.13 in your .2 manual at donny nest summer I might sit up and take note as you do race it would in interesting what sort of time you could post in a manual .2 there.
I know I cannot put in such a time so for me it's not that easy to pilot and the cars a lot better than I am so a total challenge.

Quite a few contradictions in there R. That should be in your top 5.

[ZeroH]

franki68 said:

Didn't have enough tome to find out as the car blew up.

Ha yes.... i recall your story !!

[jcosh]

Porsche911R said:

I would like to get to a point I can run the 2 side by side and pick the keeper as the only downside on the 991.2 Manual is it's too much car for the road.
but get one on track and it runs rings round a 997.

How many track days have you done in your 991.2 GT3 now David? How does it compare to your experience of driving a 997 GT3 on track?

[Porsche911R]

JulierPass said:

Porsche911R said:

JulierPass said:

As an owner of one from new I don't get how you can call it "special". I can objectively say, given the 8 GT cars I have in my garage that the least special is the 991.2. I'll admit its the easiest to live with and to drive quickly, but it simply doesn't require the same level of ability to get the best out of it that all of the previous cars did. RWS and a wider front track have made it so. IMO half the fun in 911's has been learning how to get the best out of them. The 991 robs you of the majority of this skill set as is so much easier to rotate the car and doesn't require you to treat it in a certain way to get the best out of it.

just different diving style that's all. I would rather drive mid engine stuff, it's more my style when leaning to drive fast in my Lotus days, the 991.2 drives a bit more mid engine I feel, don't make it any easier to drive fast, just different. Front tracks not that wide vs the 992 cars it's still a 911 on quite thin front 245 tyres and still understeers vs other cars I have unless you drive it right, the DNA is still there and the sus is the same parts and layout as a 996 GT3 from 1999. if you want turn in, the RS 265's front tyres even wider track and E-diff offer that in spaces over a manual GT3.
RWS brings nothing to the party imo.

I see very few on track driven fast, so not sure how easy you think it is, the only cars setting alight times is either Jonny C or Tim harvey and both of those are PDK anyway.

pop a 1.13 in your .2 manual at donny nest summer I might sit up and take note as you do race it would in interesting what sort of time you could post in a manual .2 there.
I know I cannot put in such a time so for me it's not that easy to pilot and the cars a lot better than I am so a total challenge.

Quite a few contradictions in there R. That should be in your top 5.

care to expand on this ?

[Porsche911R]

Melvynr said:

Its really quite cringy when you say the GT3 is to fast for the road, but then start on about fooken times around a track. Bet the miles on your GT3 are minimal and never been tracked.Fook knows how you get on in your DTM sliding about, thought it was quite funny when you said it scares you, 500hp, Jesus.
RWS doesn't bring anything to the party, how about it just about cuts out understeer and makes the car very evenly balanced. Then I've got to listen to you harp on about manual boxes which simply is not in the same league as PDK on a track, and as tiresome as fook in the city.Plenty of vids on the Tube to see the manual is missing a gear.

the GT3 is too fast for the road and many cannot put in the times you see on track by pro's (inc me) not even close in fact.

And yes the DTM does scare me it's quite hand full 600NM on 285 rears ! , but then you have never driven one or ever will. (and you still need to drink your piss live on here , you promised !! )

As for the manual missing a gear on you tube you have lost me.

I look forward to you doing a few track days in 2021 and you can show me how fast the PDK is vs mine, lets get Anglesey booked with PCGB as soon as they start to show the dates. I have already said I am no Pro and the cars too much for me as is and the manuals loads slower I guess, so I look forward to having a laugh with you on track in both cars see if I can keep up with your better skills and faster car.

[Melvynr]

Porsche911R said:

the GT3 is too fast for the road and many cannot put in the times you see on track by pro's (inc me) not even close in fact.

And yes the DTM does scare me it's quite hand full 600NM on 285 rears ! , but then you have never driven one or ever will. (and you still need to drink your piss live on here , you promised !! )

As for the manual missing a gear on you tube you have lost me.

I look forward to you doing a few track days in 2021 and you can show me how fast the PDK is vs mine, lets get Anglesey booked with PCGB as soon as they start to show the dates. I have already said I am no Pro and the cars too much for me as is and the manuals loads slower I guess, so I look forward to having a laugh with you on track in both cars see if I can keep up with your better skills and faster car.

You don't have to have a DTM or GTS to know what an M4 or M3 feels like with 500hp,BM3 will sort that out.M6 CP would leave any of them in its wake.

As far as driving like a Pro on track, I doubt anyone could.GT3 is a road car which you can take to the track to have some fun like any other car.

Haven't said that I am a Pro driver or highly skilled but I do enjoy my cars and am a redline chaser and like to see what the car is capable of.

You called KW suspension ste on another thread and yet your DTM rides on the harder version KW3, you hate PDK and yet you buy DCT.


Manual is too long geared in my opinion, you see too many people hanging on to the gear, or just been lazy not to change up for a second before changing back down. Plenty of vids out there to verify it.

[Desert Dragon]

Melvynr said:

Porsche911R said:

the GT3 is too fast for the road and many cannot put in the times you see on track by pro's (inc me) not even close in fact.

And yes the DTM does scare me it's quite hand full 600NM on 285 rears ! , but then you have never driven one or ever will. (and you still need to drink your piss live on here , you promised !! )

As for the manual missing a gear on you tube you have lost me.

I look forward to you doing a few track days in 2021 and you can show me how fast the PDK is vs mine, lets get Anglesey booked with PCGB as soon as they start to show the dates. I have already said I am no Pro and the cars too much for me as is and the manuals loads slower I guess, so I look forward to having a laugh with you on track in both cars see if I can keep up with your better skills and faster car.

You don't have to have a DTM or GTS to know what an M4 or M3 feels like with 500hp,BM3 will sort that out.M6 CP would leave any of them in its wake.

As far as driving like a Pro on track, I doubt anyone could.GT3 is a road car which you can take to the track to have some fun like any other car.

Haven't said that I am a Pro driver or highly skilled but I do enjoy my cars and am a redline chaser and like to see what the car is capable of.

You called KW suspension ste on another thread and yet your DTM rides on the harder version KW3, you hate PDK and yet you buy DCT.


Manual is too long geared in my opinion, you see too many people hanging on to the gear, or just been lazy not to change up for a second before changing back down. Plenty of vids out there to verify it.

Leave him alone it’s comedy gold chum. Not so long ago manual was quicker than PDK according to our PH Porsche sage. I find it fun watching his posts do like a bit of pain myself

[Melvynr]

Porsche911R said:

the GT3 is too fast for the road and many cannot put in the times you see on track by pro's (inc me) not even close in fact.

And yes the DTM does scare me it's quite hand full 600NM on 285 rears ! , but then you have never driven one or ever will. (and you still need to drink your piss live on here , you promised !! )

As for the manual missing a gear on you tube you have lost me.

I look forward to you doing a few track days in 2021 and you can show me how fast the PDK is vs mine, lets get Anglesey booked with PCGB as soon as they start to show the dates. I have already said I am no Pro and the cars too much for me as is and the manuals loads slower I guess, so I look forward to having a laugh with you on track in both cars see if I can keep up with your better skills and faster car.

Beat that 0-60 in ya DTM

[TDT]

Those little modules are so cool - very clean install.

[Porsche911R]

Melvynr said:

Manual is too long geared in my opinion, you see too many people hanging on to the gear, or just been lazy not to change up for a second before changing back down. Plenty of vids out there to verify it.

ratios are about the same in the 991.2 manual vs PDK you just have a 7th cruising gear.

You really don't have a clue and already owe me a drink of piss in pubic , how many bets do you want to loose ?

[Taffy66]

Porsche911R said:

ratios are about the same in the 991.2 manual vs PDK you just have a 7th cruising gear.

You really don't have a clue and already owe me a drink of piss in pubic , how many bets do you want to loose ?

The final drive ratio is 4.5% lower in the PDK compared to the Manual. The first four gears are otherwise the same ratios so just 4.5% lower than Manual. Fifth and six on the PDK is lower ratios on top of the lower final drive.

[Melvynr]

So they should do the same speed in 1st-4th at 9k revs?

[isaldiri]

Melvynr said:

So they should do the same speed in 1st-4th at 9k revs?

No the dual clutch car has lower speeds still. Final drive is higher so gearing is shorter than the manual.

[Melvynr]

isaldiri said:

No the dual clutch car has lower speeds still. Final drive is higher so gearing is shorter than the manual.

I should have said PDK has shorter gears and how dare me to suggest the manual had longer gears. Maybe the Oracle will agree , Lololol.

[Melvynr]

TDT said:

Those little modules are so cool - very clean install.

Very OEM, great info on them besides a lot of fun.

[lemmingjames]

Melvynr said:

Beat that 0-60 in ya DTM

I dont think doing 24mph in 11.5 seconds is worth bragging about tbh, maybe its a beemer thing in making owners feel secure 🤔 ;-)

[robj4]

Porsche911R said:

ratios are about the same in the 991.2 manual vs PDK you just have a 7th cruising gear.

I know I'm a broken record, but what rpm are you at in 6th at say 75mph, becuase 7th doesn't feel like a crusing gear to me, I'm not trying to argue I'd genuinely like to know. (And if anyone has a new 718 CGTS4.0 PDK same question, but 7th, or are they not delivered yet?)