PCCB out braked the steels last night on 5th gear.
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FWIW, I acquired my GT3 from a well known F1 driver. A 128K spec car - but on steels. Duly steels v ceramics became a discussion & bartering point. I was persuaded by the gentleman ...with hugely more experience than I - that both brake types were equally good albeit in slightly different ways.
Thus, if it was good for him, I decided it was good enough for me.
Thus, if it was good for him, I decided it was good enough for me.
Yellow491 said:
Howmuch is a reasonable sim set up,like to keep my reaction time up through the winter.,less injures than 5 aside touch rugby.
Whats recomended.
about £7kWhats recomended.
a good PC is £1500
sims stuff £1500
screens £1440
shakers etc £250
softwear £400
speakers £200
seats £700
here is my 911 cup at Spa
this is on 1ms 144hz 27" curved triples.
it not fully lined up as I have just bought these new screens at £1440 for 3 !!! and they need a bit more adjustment.
but they are mega screens.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 21st November 22:08
is there a sim setup that mirrors historic racing. Good old fashioned cars with no down force, relatively little mechanical grip on crossply tyres, crap steel brakes and a manual gearbox. Genuinely asking as I would be interested if there were.
As for ceramic brakes I have very little experience of them so I cannot add much at all. I have one car that runs them but its relatively old. Initial bite from decent speeds is not at all reassuring. I am sure newer ceramics would be much better.
The brake setup on the Hellcat on steels is very good. North of 150 mph on a runway I could trigger the abs. It handled multiple runs braking from well over 180 mph without any fade. It weighs 2000 kg. Tyre grip was the limiting braking factor.
Dario Franchitti many years ago said that the one thing that DTM taught him was how to still be very quick without being on the racing line. The optimum racing line through any given corner will be dependent upon the type of car that you are racing and the tyres you have to use.
As for ceramic brakes I have very little experience of them so I cannot add much at all. I have one car that runs them but its relatively old. Initial bite from decent speeds is not at all reassuring. I am sure newer ceramics would be much better.
The brake setup on the Hellcat on steels is very good. North of 150 mph on a runway I could trigger the abs. It handled multiple runs braking from well over 180 mph without any fade. It weighs 2000 kg. Tyre grip was the limiting braking factor.
Dario Franchitti many years ago said that the one thing that DTM taught him was how to still be very quick without being on the racing line. The optimum racing line through any given corner will be dependent upon the type of car that you are racing and the tyres you have to use.
SRT Hellcat said:
is there a sim setup that mirrors historic racing. Good old fashioned cars with no down force, relatively little mechanical grip on crossply tyres, crap steel brakes and a manual gearbox. Genuinely asking as I would be interested if there were.
Yep you an try just about any car, the classic race Lotus are hard core.I like the caterham 620r, that’s a hoot for a quick blast .
The manuals are far harder of course, over a PDK and abs car where you can left foot brake.
F1 is also fun, the hardest are the can-am era in the rain !
notsomadmick said:
FWIW, I acquired my GT3 from a well known F1 driver. A 128K spec car - but on steels. Duly steels v ceramics became a discussion & bartering point. I was persuaded by the gentleman ...with hugely more experience than I - that both brake types were equally good albeit in slightly different ways.
Thus, if it was good for him, I decided it was good enough for me.
Far be it from me to divert the thread from argument into agreement, but I'd tend to believe this. Thus, if it was good for him, I decided it was good enough for me.
I have tried a few sims and the answer is no, there is nothing that is genuinely authentic on the sims to replicate the historic stuff.
The reason is simple; supply and demand. There are loads of youngsters with rich fathers looking for fractions of a second in modern stuff, and a very small percentage of 50+ year olds who race classics who would even consider sims. Someone with the time and patience would have to share a lot of data to get the handling accuracy sorted. At the moment the models are just a bit more sideways, with the laptimes just way too fast. The trickier (and interesting) bit would also be building in the fatigue that older cars suffer over race distance.
Sims in general don't do much for me; they are useful for learning new track layouts and tips from instructors who have raced there a lot, but I can do the familiarisation on a Playstation. I enjoy a video game or two, and grew up on Gran Turismo, but I can't imagine locking myself in a dark room for hours away from my family and justifying that as a 'hobby'.
Back on topic, ceramics are great. Regardless of braking ability, on a road car, they look better, produce virtually no brake dust and last forever. I wouldn't spec them on a car I would do trackdays in as they would be an expensive hassle, but I personally don't do trackdays - I'm spoilt by racing, which sadly makes any Porsche GT model feel out of its depth.
The comparison with race cars using them or not is moot, given race cars are the way they are due to the regulations they compete to. Regulations aren't there to maximise performance, but to maximise competition.
The reason is simple; supply and demand. There are loads of youngsters with rich fathers looking for fractions of a second in modern stuff, and a very small percentage of 50+ year olds who race classics who would even consider sims. Someone with the time and patience would have to share a lot of data to get the handling accuracy sorted. At the moment the models are just a bit more sideways, with the laptimes just way too fast. The trickier (and interesting) bit would also be building in the fatigue that older cars suffer over race distance.
Sims in general don't do much for me; they are useful for learning new track layouts and tips from instructors who have raced there a lot, but I can do the familiarisation on a Playstation. I enjoy a video game or two, and grew up on Gran Turismo, but I can't imagine locking myself in a dark room for hours away from my family and justifying that as a 'hobby'.
Back on topic, ceramics are great. Regardless of braking ability, on a road car, they look better, produce virtually no brake dust and last forever. I wouldn't spec them on a car I would do trackdays in as they would be an expensive hassle, but I personally don't do trackdays - I'm spoilt by racing, which sadly makes any Porsche GT model feel out of its depth.
The comparison with race cars using them or not is moot, given race cars are the way they are due to the regulations they compete to. Regulations aren't there to maximise performance, but to maximise competition.
thelostboy said:
I have tried a few sims and the answer is no, there is nothing that is genuinely authentic on the sims to replicate the historic stuff.
The reason is simple; supply and demand. There are loads of youngsters with rich fathers looking for fractions of a second in modern stuff, and a very small percentage of 50+ year olds who race classics who would even consider sims. Someone with the time and patience would have to share a lot of data to get the handling accuracy sorted. At the moment the models are just a bit more sideways, with the laptimes just way too fast. The trickier (and interesting) bit would also be building in the fatigue that older cars suffer over race distance.
Sims in general don't do much for me; they are useful for learning new track layouts and tips from instructors who have raced there a lot, but I can do the familiarisation on a Playstation. I enjoy a video game or two, and grew up on Gran Turismo, but I can't imagine locking myself in a dark room for hours away from my family and justifying that as a 'hobby'.
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all top drivers use sims, it makes you a better driver as it focus's on different sense which you then use in the real car.The reason is simple; supply and demand. There are loads of youngsters with rich fathers looking for fractions of a second in modern stuff, and a very small percentage of 50+ year olds who race classics who would even consider sims. Someone with the time and patience would have to share a lot of data to get the handling accuracy sorted. At the moment the models are just a bit more sideways, with the laptimes just way too fast. The trickier (and interesting) bit would also be building in the fatigue that older cars suffer over race distance.
Sims in general don't do much for me; they are useful for learning new track layouts and tips from instructors who have raced there a lot, but I can do the familiarisation on a Playstation. I enjoy a video game or two, and grew up on Gran Turismo, but I can't imagine locking myself in a dark room for hours away from my family and justifying that as a 'hobby'.
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most tracks are laser mapped so very accurate.
all top drivers are fast on sims and ave drivers seem to poo poo them but are slow on them so no suprize there.
Gran Turismo and a ps4 is a long way off a £10k driving sim rig.
Also above 30 years old it keeps your reactions in trim form.
I guess it depends if you want to race real people and have an interest in driving over watching the bake off with the misses.
https://youtu.be/a9hF8ZGxvow
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 22 November 13:32
Yellow491 said:
F thats boring,is he really wearing gloves.Think i wont bother,5 a side touch rugby is way more fun
It's really about self improvement and makes you a more rounded driver in real life.
Is what it is another tool if you want to improve.
http://www.izoneperformance.com
Porsche911R said:
Yellow491 said:
F thats boring,is he really wearing gloves.Think i wont bother,5 a side touch rugby is way more fun
It's really about self improvement and makes you a more rounded driver in real life.
Is what it is another tool if you want to improve.
http://www.izoneperformance.com
A sim is not going to get any where near the physical,especially with gloves on!
So a good sim setup is going to set you back what £7k. If I was sure I could get a buzz from it I would seriously consider it.
Once you have experienced something along the lines of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO-TG7Y9a5c&t=...
very little else can give you that adrenaline rush. That said I would imagine that Michael is paying probably £20,000, maybe £25,000 for each event plus damage for his buzz.
Once you have experienced something along the lines of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO-TG7Y9a5c&t=...
very little else can give you that adrenaline rush. That said I would imagine that Michael is paying probably £20,000, maybe £25,000 for each event plus damage for his buzz.
SRT Hellcat said:
So a good sim setup is going to set you back what £7k. If I was sure I could get a buzz from it I would seriously consider it.
Once you have experienced something along the lines of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO-TG7Y9a5c&t=...
very little else can give you that adrenaline rush. That said I would imagine that Michael is paying probably £20,000, maybe £25,000 for each event plus damage for his buzz.
fOnce you have experienced something along the lines of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO-TG7Y9a5c&t=...
very little else can give you that adrenaline rush. That said I would imagine that Michael is paying probably £20,000, maybe £25,000 for each event plus damage for his buzz.
k spendng 7K on a sim. For that you can buy an mx5 and make some mods. You'll never look at wet roundabouts in the same way again Yellow491 said:
Porsche911R said:
Yellow491 said:
F thats boring,is he really wearing gloves.Think i wont bother,5 a side touch rugby is way more fun
It's really about self improvement and makes you a more rounded driver in real life.
Is what it is another tool if you want to improve.
http://www.izoneperformance.com
A sim is not going to get any where near the physical,especially with gloves on!
My is very cheap compared to R's rig, 2K but i run the same sims. I did it for racing as didn't have the financial budget for real racing until now.
I'll still use it but its been less this year, back on it over the winter when i get back from 28degs of sunshine, luckily i have no kids...yet
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