GT3 Touring at OPC Silverstone
Discussion
Yellow491 said:
Juno said:
This one looks a better spec:
Been up since the summer and a private sale so should be a able to do a good deal
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
That looks stunning,makes the rs look like a halfords special,simple,quick,classy and not cheapo plastic ducts etc,and Manuel! Whats not to like.Been up since the summer and a private sale so should be a able to do a good deal
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Edited by Juno on Monday 9th December 00:03
I really like the ‘Touring’ and the the ‘R’ - the clean lines do look very desirable.
But, I would want Pccbs to elevate the car’s status, and for road use, and I really couldn’t live with Black - a lovely ‘showroom’ colour though.
I guess Tourings will always command a bit of a premium.
But, I would want Pccbs to elevate the car’s status, and for road use, and I really couldn’t live with Black - a lovely ‘showroom’ colour though.
I guess Tourings will always command a bit of a premium.
Koln-RS said:
I really like the ‘Touring’ and the the ‘R’ - the clean lines do look very desirable.
But, I would want Pccbs to elevate the car’s status, and for road use, and I really couldn’t live with Black - a lovely ‘showroom’ colour though.
I guess Tourings will always command a bit of a premium.
I'm a bit of a Halfords man myself which why I prefer the GT3 and RS models,I also prefer the PDK's nowadays as I feel they add so much to the driving pleasure!But, I would want Pccbs to elevate the car’s status, and for road use, and I really couldn’t live with Black - a lovely ‘showroom’ colour though.
I guess Tourings will always command a bit of a premium.
A good friend of mine thought he was a manual addict until he drove my PDK,he said its like having a manual car with extra tricks up its sleeve
2010spy said:
If you cast aside the ramblings of a mad man, the only ‘issue’ with this car is the lack of PCCBs. These seem to be important for resale, as opposed to actual braking. There was a lot of horse-trading on the early cars so number if owners is not an issue.
I drove mine at Goodwood last week (sadly for the first time in 18m) and all I can say is ‘wow’. They are very special and there’s something very unique about these cars. I’d offer £160k to get the ball rolling.
Do it.
The issue is , it's a lesser car for more money, so needs a dedicated buyer to pay £170k. At list as all thing are it was just a choice, Loose a few BHP and downforce, add more drag but loose that wing and pay the same (would have been a real choice if it had rear seats mind you)I drove mine at Goodwood last week (sadly for the first time in 18m) and all I can say is ‘wow’. They are very special and there’s something very unique about these cars. I’d offer £160k to get the ball rolling.
Do it.
But at over's it a lot more than a choice to pick a lesser car and pay more ! Who cares about numbers ! The cold hard facts are it's not as good a car but costs more now due to less numbers !
It's not quite an R as most of those had a LWF and weighed 50kg less with carbon wings bonnet etc,. It's a GT3 without a wing and is a lesser car sans wing which imo does not even warrant a GT3 badge. And the lack of rear seats dose not warrant a Touring badge either, It was a marketing car due to the VERY bad feedback on the low R numbers and overs with that car, any one can now buy one was the launch press release, . which of course was another lie but it shut the press up.
At list I get why 40 odd people wanted it as they hate the GT3 look but wanted the engine, but without the rear seats very few took up the option and it was there for the last 400 odd orders to pick if you wanted. It was just not a popular car to start with, that's clear to see by the sales.
I know many a owner who said "if only it had rear seats" !!!
And looking at miles on these cars the 40 of the 47 people don't drive them either !
The one at Silverstone is a tough sale due to the 3 reasons I said it's that simple but PCCB's will be the Big item on that car at that price.
Looks wise that stops 99% buyers as it looks like a base C2 and lets face it most buyers want a "look at me" thrill when spending £170k.
Its to expensive at that price, I've been looking at them for a while, they don't move.
You can get a lot of other cars for that money, McLaren 720.
Manual 911 GTS probably a better car and just as rare.
New GT3 coming out soon.
GT3 manual can be had for list.
Buy now at 160K you know in six months it is only going to be worth 130K
You can get a lot of other cars for that money, McLaren 720.
Manual 911 GTS probably a better car and just as rare.
New GT3 coming out soon.
GT3 manual can be had for list.
Buy now at 160K you know in six months it is only going to be worth 130K
Touring attracts a premium
supply and demand / clever marketing if you like .
get over it R , its just like our excellent winged cars but a bit different. and worth a bit more!
sure there are loads off models that don't deserve the financial kudos they get
997.1 RS is not worth 30k/40K more than a 7.1GT3 for example- in engineering terms.
Its an RS however... marketing and supply and demand!..
supply and demand / clever marketing if you like .
get over it R , its just like our excellent winged cars but a bit different. and worth a bit more!
sure there are loads off models that don't deserve the financial kudos they get
997.1 RS is not worth 30k/40K more than a 7.1GT3 for example- in engineering terms.
Its an RS however... marketing and supply and demand!..
Porsche911R said:
The issue is , it's a lesser car for more money, so needs a dedicated buyer to pay £170k. At list as all thing are it was just a choice, Loose a few BHP and downforce, add more drag but loose that wing and pay the same (would have been a real choice if it had rear seats mind you)
But at over's it a lot more than a choice to pick a lesser car and pay more ! Who cares about numbers ! The cold hard facts are it's not as good a car but costs more now due to less numbers !
It's not quite an R as most of those had a LWF and weighed 50kg less with carbon wings bonnet etc,. It's a GT3 without a wing and is a lesser car sans wing which imo does not even warrant a GT3 badge. And the lack of rear seats dose not warrant a Touring badge either, It was a marketing car due to the VERY bad feedback on the low R numbers and overs with that car, any one can now buy one was the launch press release, . which of course was another lie but it shut the press up.
At list I get why 40 odd people wanted it as they hate the GT3 look but wanted the engine, but without the rear seats very few took up the option and it was there for the last 400 odd orders to pick if you wanted. It was just not a popular car to start with, that's clear to see by the sales.
I know many a owner who said "if only it had rear seats" !!!
And looking at miles on these cars the 40 of the 47 people don't drive them either !
The one at Silverstone is a tough sale due to the 3 reasons I said it's that simple but PCCB's will be the Big item on that car at that price.
Looks wise that stops 99% buyers as it looks like a base C2 and lets face it most buyers want a "look at me" thrill when spending £170k.
Lesser car? Ha ha! But at over's it a lot more than a choice to pick a lesser car and pay more ! Who cares about numbers ! The cold hard facts are it's not as good a car but costs more now due to less numbers !
It's not quite an R as most of those had a LWF and weighed 50kg less with carbon wings bonnet etc,. It's a GT3 without a wing and is a lesser car sans wing which imo does not even warrant a GT3 badge. And the lack of rear seats dose not warrant a Touring badge either, It was a marketing car due to the VERY bad feedback on the low R numbers and overs with that car, any one can now buy one was the launch press release, . which of course was another lie but it shut the press up.
At list I get why 40 odd people wanted it as they hate the GT3 look but wanted the engine, but without the rear seats very few took up the option and it was there for the last 400 odd orders to pick if you wanted. It was just not a popular car to start with, that's clear to see by the sales.
I know many a owner who said "if only it had rear seats" !!!
And looking at miles on these cars the 40 of the 47 people don't drive them either !
The one at Silverstone is a tough sale due to the 3 reasons I said it's that simple but PCCB's will be the Big item on that car at that price.
Looks wise that stops 99% buyers as it looks like a base C2 and lets face it most buyers want a "look at me" thrill when spending £170k.
You really should stop ranting about Tourings as you're starting to come across as someone who regrets not ordering the correct spec for resale 
It's all about choice, and for those that love the "wolf in sheep's clothing" look there's nothing else like a Touring.
Having previously been Touring lover - I also agree that these are not worth the premium - other than that fact that they are rare.
Its the same car as a 991.2 GT3 Manual - and yes - the wolf in sheep's clothing is a real thing... but actually - not worth £30-50K more to me, on the used market. The car should have had rear seats as a differentiator.
For the same £160-180K - there are a lot of other cool things to experience.
Its the same car as a 991.2 GT3 Manual - and yes - the wolf in sheep's clothing is a real thing... but actually - not worth £30-50K more to me, on the used market. The car should have had rear seats as a differentiator.
For the same £160-180K - there are a lot of other cool things to experience.
A GT3 without a rear wing and leather rather than alcantara interior - to me that makes it more, not less appealing, but it was just a option code not a different car. Also I would disagree with the argument there wasn't a strong uptake on the option, it was only available for the final production run (from jan 2018 build) and with a manual gearbox. I do agree that it would have been nice to have rear seats, but sadly for homologation reasons that wasn't possible (without considerable expense at least).
As far as why cars with this option code are priced higher and if it's justifiable, well if it was a £30k option new of course not, but the second hand market is a funny place. Put it this way, there isn't any other £160-170k car that I would swap mine for, but again that's entirely subjective.
As far as why cars with this option code are priced higher and if it's justifiable, well if it was a £30k option new of course not, but the second hand market is a funny place. Put it this way, there isn't any other £160-170k car that I would swap mine for, but again that's entirely subjective.
TDT said:
Having previously been Touring lover - I also agree that these are not worth the premium - other than that fact that they are rare.
Its the same car as a 991.2 GT3 Manual - and yes - the wolf in sheep's clothing is a real thing... but actually - not worth £30-50K more to me, on the used market. The car should have had rear seats as a differentiator.
For the same £160-180K - there are a lot of other cool things to experience.
https://img.pistonheads.com/LargeSize/mclaren/600-lt-spider/v8-2dr/mclaren-600-lt-spider-v8-2dr-436580251-1.jpgIts the same car as a 991.2 GT3 Manual - and yes - the wolf in sheep's clothing is a real thing... but actually - not worth £30-50K more to me, on the used market. The car should have had rear seats as a differentiator.
For the same £160-180K - there are a lot of other cool things to experience.
This what i'd buy at that money..Much better value and much more exotic for the same money..All IMHO.
Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 9th December 13:47
Yellow491 said:
Carbon wraps look ok,but its still plastic underneath !
Yes but that's not the point. I'd have more respect for your opinions if you actually had some experience driving 911's !. Look, let me explain...when I picked up my brand new 2019 Porsche 911 991.2 R/S WP, I noticed the plastic louvers and was worried about the effect they would have compared to carbon, both on weight and obviously flex.
They are there to drive the rain away from the windscreen as everyone knows, and work in tandem with the louvers on the bonnet. Carbon flexes less and will drive less rain 'consistently' away, so an absolute no brainer to completely remove them as the effect on weight saving alone is simply life-changing.
I have written to own personal OPC and have insisted they retrofit the carbon on my brand new 2019 Porsche 911 991.2 R/S WP without delay, as impossible to fully exploit the performance of the car (or indeed any other of my brand new cars) on any village high street without them.
A nice man I found on the World Wide Web said he'd do a deal, direct from Nigeria, so if you want to bring yourself into the 21st century I suggest you electronic mail me by return !.
For me the Touring would have been an interesting proposition with 4 seats and PDK and then I would have ordered one...my car was March 18 production so I could have. PDK and 4 seats would have been the ultimate daily driver. As it is I’ve got the wing and the manual box which I love.
I reckon it’ll be massively popular on 992....and I wonder if as it’s been developed from the start whether it’ll have 4 seats. Either way I am not sure the 991.2 Touring will hold the significant premium once 992’s start getting delivered.
I reckon it’ll be massively popular on 992....and I wonder if as it’s been developed from the start whether it’ll have 4 seats. Either way I am not sure the 991.2 Touring will hold the significant premium once 992’s start getting delivered.
Cheib said:
For me the Touring would have been an interesting proposition with 4 seats and PDK and then I would have ordered one...my car was March 18 production so I could have. PDK and 4 seats would have been the ultimate daily driver. As it is I’ve got the wing and the manual box which I love.
I reckon it’ll be massively popular on 992....and I wonder if as it’s been developed from the start whether it’ll have 4 seats. Either way I am not sure the 991.2 Touring will hold the significant premium once 992’s start getting delivered.
The manual only option was puzzling to say the least .I reckon it’ll be massively popular on 992....and I wonder if as it’s been developed from the start whether it’ll have 4 seats. Either way I am not sure the 991.2 Touring will hold the significant premium once 992’s start getting delivered.
Agree about the 992,it will be like the 991.2 where few had bought clubsport so clubsport got a premium and then loads bought clubsport on the gen2.
Speculators will buy the touring in droves .
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