Speedster

[IMI A]

APOLO1 said:

IMI A said:

Very interested to see list price for next turbo s cab which looks like some car. Would not be surprised at £200k list!

Hope it comes out before any if at all import duty comes it, I never had a cab in the 991s Turbos what were they around 160kish? Had so much fun at V-max in the Trubos.

It was something like that then you add options. They came very well specced as standard but amazing things like Apple Car Play an option on a 160k car. We've been to VMAX a few times too in them. 991.2 turbo s running same top speed as 650s and 600t when we were there and faster up the run way too. 580bhp under quoting its power imo - can't wait to see next one

[daro911]

RSVP911 said:

Be interesting to know which is the better drivers car for road use ?

According to Henry Catchpole who tested both in 2019 his pick of Car of The Year went to the 718 Spyder! (19.30 mins into video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahBGU4gBNs&fe...

[APOLO1]

IMI A said:

It was something like that then you add options. They came very well specced as standard but amazing things like Apple Car Play an option on a 160k car. We've been to VMAX a few times too in them. 991.2 turbo s running same top speed as 650s and 600t when we were there and faster up the run way too. 580bhp under quoting its power imo - can't wait to see next one

Yes had some great runs in the 991.1 and 2s at V-Max, I hear the new one is a bit more GT, ie sports Exhaust , lower 20mm and a few more bits.

[RSVP911]

daro911 said:

According to Henry Catchpole who tested both in 2019 his pick of Car of The Year went to the 718 Spyder! (19.30 mins into video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahBGU4gBNs&fe...

Yes I saw this - he was very complimentary. I haven’t driven a Speedster, but as you say it looks massive - I find it hard to believe that it would be more fun on an A / B road than a 718 Spyder with it’s similar GT suspension. In terms of the engine - thats another story, sound aside the engine in the Spyder is very strong - but the 991.2 GT3 engine is on another level.

[daro911]

RSVP911 said:

Yes I saw this - he was very complimentary. I haven’t driven a Speedster, but as you say it looks massive - I find it hard to believe that it would be more fun on an A / B road than a 718 Spyder with it’s similar GT suspension. In terms of the engine - thats another story, sound aside the engine in the Spyder is very strong - but the 991.2 GT3 engine is on another level.

Agreed but when will you ever get to use either engine on our roads today and as HC rightly says one is almost 3 times more expensive than the other

[Cheib]

RSVP911 said:

daro911 said:

According to Henry Catchpole who tested both in 2019 his pick of Car of The Year went to the 718 Spyder! (19.30 mins into video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahBGU4gBNs&fe...

Yes I saw this - he was very complimentary. I haven’t driven a Speedster, but as you say it looks massive - I find it hard to believe that it would be more fun on an A / B road than a 718 Spyder with it’s similar GT suspension. In terms of the engine - thats another story, sound aside the engine in the Spyder is very strong - but the 991.2 GT3 engine is on another level.

Speedster according to PEC instructors is very tricky in the wet....it’s massively stiff apparently and harder to drive than the coupe in low grip situations.

I am sure someone will tell me that’s bks but I am just repeating what I was told by two PEC instructors....one of whom spun it in the wet at quite low speed.

[APOLO1]

Cheib said:

Speedster according to PEC instructors is very tricky in the wet....it’s massively stiff apparently and harder to drive than the coupe in low grip situations.

I am sure someone will tell me that’s bks but I am just repeating what I was told by two PEC instructors....one of whom spun it in the wet at quite low speed.

To be fair when he spun it was very wet low temps and on Cups to much steering angle and a bit of throttle back end came out at low speeds, and it was on the slowest part of the PEC, just when you take the right hander to come back in.The Speedster Chassis is very stiff feels like a Macca Tub car roof up or down, but it also rides very well very planted and turns in well. Not hard at all even on a 200 miles straight run. Boxster 718 Spider feels a lot harsher, but its the seating position that I did not like on the 718 Spider, in 18 ways or Buckets for some reason you sit way to high. But the real kicker for me was just how long geared the car was 87 in 2nd and 117 in 3rd, seemed to go on for ever, could have just left it in 3rd and drove it like an Auto......Lol

[RSVP911]

APOLO1 said:

Cheib said:

Speedster according to PEC instructors is very tricky in the wet....it’s massively stiff apparently and harder to drive than the coupe in low grip situations.

I am sure someone will tell me that’s bks but I am just repeating what I was told by two PEC instructors....one of whom spun it in the wet at quite low speed.

To be fair when he spun it was very wet low temps and on Cups to much steering angle and a bit of throttle back end came out at low speeds, and it was on the slowest part of the PEC, just when you take the right hander to come back in.The Speedster Chassis is very stiff feels like a Macca Tub car roof up or down, but it also rides very well very planted and turns in well. Not hard at all even on a 200 miles straight run. Boxster 718 Spider feels a lot harsher, but its the seating position that I did not like on the 718 Spider, in 18 ways or Buckets for some reason you sit way to high. But the real kicker for me was just how long geared the car was 87 in 2nd and 117 in 3rd, seemed to go on for ever, could have just left it in 3rd and drove it like an Auto......Lol

Interesting stuff.

Is the gearing in the Speedster shorter then, as I’m sure the gearing in my 991.2 GT3 manual is super long too ? Also, I think the ride quality in mine is excellent - deffo no harder than the 991.2 GT3

[APOLO1]

RSVP911 said:

Interesting stuff.

Is the gearing in the Speedster shorter then, as I’m sure the gearing in my 991.2 GT3 manual is super long too ? Also, I think the ride quality in mine is excellent - deffo no harder than the 991.2 GT3

I have never owned a GT3 MT, so would not know. The thing is with the speedster and the 718 Spider, and I agree the 718 is very good looking car. Notwithstanding the price point difference is the engine they are both light years apart in my opinion in they way they drive, the speedster may well have the same gearing I have not checked still short shifting a bit as going through the run in period, but the speedster revs a lot harder and faster it just races round the revs, the Spider just sits there in comparison. Also for road set up I found the Suspension very hard, not alone in this view either there is a returned one sitting at local OPC for this very reason. No doubt it will be fine on track but way to hard for long trip road use in my opinion. Last month there were quite a few physical car cancelled orders being offered round in both GT4 and Spider. Looking forward to have a go in the 10k cheaper GTS Spider at some point now that it has the GT4 4.0 NA in it with same Torque and lower 20mm set up. In my opinion they should have put a bit softer set up on the 718 Spider, just like they did on the last one. The last gen yellow Spider at PEC is a peach to drive set up wise.

Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 1st February 17:33

[RSVP911]

APOLO1 said:

RSVP911 said:

Interesting stuff.

Is the gearing in the Speedster shorter then, as I’m sure the gearing in my 991.2 GT3 manual is super long too ? Also, I think the ride quality in mine is excellent - deffo no harder than the 991.2 GT3

I have never owned a GT3 MT, so would not know. The thing is with the speedster and the 718 Spider, and I agree the 718 is very good looking car. Notwithstanding the price point difference is the engine they are both light years apart in my opinion in they way they drive, the speedster may well have the same gearing I have not checked still short shifting a bit as going through the run in period, but the speedster revs a lot harder and faster it just races round the revs, the Spider just sits there in comparison. Also for road set up I found the Suspension very hard, not alone in this view either there is a returned one sitting at local OPC for this very reason. No doubt it will be fine on track but way to hard for long trip road use in my opinion. Last month there were quite a few physical car cancelled orders being offered round in both GT4 and Spider. Looking forward to have a go in the 10k cheaper GTS Spider at some point now that it has the GT4 4.0 NA in it with same Torque and lower 20mm set up. In my opinion they should have put a bit softer set up on the 718 Spider, just like they did on the last one. The last gen yellow Spider at PEC is a peach to drive set up wise.

Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 1st February 17:33

Interesting stuff re canx. orders on GT4/Spyder - hopefully we should get back to “normal” soon enough.

Re engine; if the Speedster engine is anything like the one on my 991.2 GT3 than I agree - it’s a proper engine that one - really special.

Have to disagree on ride quality though - I really like mine

[Cheib]

APOLO1 said:

Cheib said:

Speedster according to PEC instructors is very tricky in the wet....it’s massively stiff apparently and harder to drive than the coupe in low grip situations.

I am sure someone will tell me that’s bks but I am just repeating what I was told by two PEC instructors....one of whom spun it in the wet at quite low speed.

To be fair when he spun it was very wet low temps and on Cups to much steering angle and a bit of throttle back end came out at low speeds, and it was on the slowest part of the PEC, just when you take the right hander to come back in.The Speedster Chassis is very stiff feels like a Macca Tub car roof up or down, but it also rides very well very planted and turns in well. Not hard at all even on a 200 miles straight run. Boxster 718 Spider feels a lot harsher, but its the seating position that I did not like on the 718 Spider, in 18 ways or Buckets for some reason you sit way to high. But the real kicker for me was just how long geared the car was 87 in 2nd and 117 in 3rd, seemed to go on for ever, could have just left it in 3rd and drove it like an Auto......Lol

I was there the week after so I know ambient temps were cold etc. But we’re talking about a professional driver who has driven that circuit probably thousands of times and also knows how a GT car on Cup 2’s will behave better than most so I think it’s interesting that he got caught out....it’s a slow corner but that circuit is deliberately quite a high grip surface,

[gt3rswp]

APOLO1 said:

I have never owned a GT3 MT, so would not know. The thing is with the speedster and the 718 Spider, and I agree the 718 is very good looking car. Notwithstanding the price point difference is the engine they are both light years apart in my opinion in they way they drive, the speedster may well have the same gearing I have not checked still short shifting a bit as going through the run in period, but the speedster revs a lot harder and faster it just races round the revs, the Spider just sits there in comparison. Also for road set up I found the Suspension very hard, not alone in this view either there is a returned one sitting at local OPC for this very reason. No doubt it will be fine on track but way to hard for long trip road use in my opinion. Last month there were quite a few physical car cancelled orders being offered round in both GT4 and Spider. Looking forward to have a go in the 10k cheaper GTS Spider at some point now that it has the GT4 4.0 NA in it with same Torque and lower 20mm set up. In my opinion they should have put a bit softer set up on the 718 Spider, just like they did on the last one. The last gen yellow Spider at PEC is a peach to drive set up wise.

Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 1st February 17:33

Any pics?

[Taffy66]

Cheib said:

I was there the week after so I know ambient temps were cold etc. But we’re talking about a professional driver who has driven that circuit probably thousands of times and also knows how a GT car on Cup 2’s will behave better than most so I think it’s interesting that he got caught out....it’s a slow corner but that circuit is deliberately quite a high grip surface,

If its the newer PEC circuit with the corkscrew at the far end then the surface is very dicey when its both cold and wet..Its a different surface material to the old one and for whatever reason not as suitable when very cold, especially on Cup 2s..It was freezing on the day i drove the RS there and no GT Porsches with Cup 2s were allowed on this circuit for the aforementioned reasons..It might be a change of policy due to the instructor spinning the Speedster on the slow corner near the exit..

[TDT]

When I was at the PEC for my 718 GT4/Spyder day, there was a Speedster circulating and my PEC instructor also commented that they are a tricky drive and it really not a play thing.
I was surprised to hear that.

Gearing and gearbox in the Speedster is different to the 718 cars, if that is a question.

Suspension setup on the Speedster is different that the 718 Spyder, it’s a 911 so damper and spring rates are different. Also rear is multi-link. So not comparable.

Edited by TDT on Saturday 1st February 21:51

[Porsche911R]

TDT said:

When I was at the PEC for my 718 GT4/Spyder day, there was a Speedster circulating and my PEC instructor also commented that they are a tricky drive and it really not a play thing.
I was surprised to hear that.

What happen's when you take a wing off a gt car :-) lol

Joking aside , makes you wonder what the die hard cup 2 winter uses have to say, when Pro's cannot control the cars in the cold with them on.

[Taffy66]

Porsche911R said:

What happen's when you take a wing off a gt car :-) lol

Joking aside , makes you wonder what the die hard cup 2 winter uses have to say, when Pro's cannot control the cars in the cold with them on.

Seriously its all to do with the slippery high grip surface with zero friction when damp and freezing..The more i read this thread the more i like the sound of the Speedster as it sounds more and more like a true driver's car and less of a poseur's car..
I still wouldn't swap my GT3 Rs WP for one though..!

[Cheib]

Same price as a 911 R....never driven either and unlikely to unless I buy one but I reckon I’d have a Speedster. None of the other’s have done anything for me but this one with a GT engine is a different proposition.

[Porsche911R]

I like downforce.

Only reason cars are getting faster is wind tunnel testing where they can add downforce and not drag.

Now cars are very fast having downforce down Craner is worth while other wise you have to slow right down.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

Now cars are very fast having downforce down Craner is worth while other wise you have to slow right down.

Sigh. The difference a 100kg of downforce (which a gt3 will not produce at Cramer speeds) makes on a 1500+kg car like a gt3 is less than 5mph on cornering speeds. It is nowhere even close to 'slow right down'. The amount of bs spouted off about downforce on road cars is ridiculous.

[APOLO1]

Taffy66 said:

If its the newer PEC circuit with the corkscrew at the far end then the surface is very dicey when its both cold and wet..Its a different surface material to the old one and for whatever reason not as suitable when very cold, especially on Cup 2s..It was freezing on the day i drove the RS there and no GT Porsches with Cup 2s were allowed on this circuit for the aforementioned reasons...

I was there same day in the Red Speedster. The Instructor got the back end to step out and that's all it was at about 15 Mph, on the new part of the surface just as you are about to come in, the place were you have to come to a complete stop, then come back on your self to get back in. The Speedster is no more difficult to drive than any other GT car on Cup 2s in very damp and low temp conditions.