Tuthill 911 - Anyone tried or own one?
Discussion
Twinfan said:
Oh the irony 
not really, I don't mine what people buy, I have a view and voice it, that's forums , and Also buy what I like.I am very carefull not to get personal on my posts, but talking about lumps of metal if you don't like it does upset some people.
I am not going to say I like some thing to suck up on forums, but like wise I don't go around being aggressive to people, I stick to car talk.
far far too many people here are nasty to each other, that's not uncommon it's a massive SM issue today on every platform.
I don't like Bitsa's cars when Porsche make a great back catalogue to fit every price point.
I think moderising org looking cars is great, ie better shocks,disks pads etc , but backdates to me is not something I would want to own personally.
Porsche911R said:
IMI A said:
Lovely ^^^. Comparing those cars above which are lovely for a Sunday drive is a bit of an insult to say Tuthill - embarrassing actually but hey thats your posting style so it is what it is. You don't get them we get that you do not have to continually reinforce your views it gets tedious after a decade - repeating them doesn't make them any more valid! Just so you understand. Many guys out there that can buy a 72 RS tomorrow if they want. They choose their hot rods for a very good reason - its different world you won't understand and to a certain extent glad we're all different 
Chill out, I have not said a bad word about Tutill or Compare the cars.I said, I would buy a real car not a fake one with £80k that's my personal view and needs to be respected because it's just what I would do.
guys buying £80k hotrods cannot afford a £500k 2.7 RS lol come on get real.
I get the super rich guys making a £300k custom one, that's their choice, the joys in the build most of the time hence they seem to get sold !!!!, the Olive green was amazing, it's a big step up from the tat you see at shows and all the cars for £60 to £100k for sale.
Porsche911R said:
I am very carefull not to get personal on my posts
Rubbish - you've made personal comments about me - what you think I like, what I buy etc. You have very little self awareness and make sweeping generalisations. Hence me pointing out the irony in you asking for your views to be respected when you have virtually no respect for anyone else's.Anyhow, have a good day
Twinfan said:
Rubbish - you've made personal comments about me - what you think I like, what I buy etc. You have very little self awareness and make sweeping generalisations. Hence me pointing out the irony in you asking for your views to be respected when you have virtually no respect for anyone else's.
Anyhow, have a good day
you have very strong opinions on your GTS and how great it is and why you did not want a GT4, I just asked questions that's all.Anyhow, have a good day
I don't think I was ever aggressive, but I might have pushed your buttons on the GT4 thing :-p , but we have had 4 YEARS OF WHY YOU DID NOT WANT ONE. :-)
I like a bit of debate and banter, I don't like personal abuse on forums. As for what people buy who cares.
Porsche911R said:
I would have rather had a real car all the same, a 89 Carrera 3.2 Super sport or some thing at less money but at least real.
lass of the cars with no bulls
t and ABS, but the cars are being robbed to make fakes, a real 3.2 will rocket in value.
the Clubsport has already gone from £40k in 2011 to £200k today, that's drags up the Supersport.
if you want old school and like as new whats not to like here ?
or If you like the wide arch look the Supersport at RPM looks mega imo and still under £80k !
I think only someone who hasn't driven a well maintained early car or early hot rod would compare them to a 911 3.2 Carrera or Supersport and think they are comparable at a price point. Yes, the factory has a great back catalogue but if you like the look and feel of early cars then to buy a factory hot rod (2.7 RS, 911R, 911ST) is a very different price point to the cars being discussed here. The grey Tuthill car has been very well built and is excellent to drive - light, responsive and agile in a way the 3.2 Supersport could only dream of. They are different cars for different people who are looking for different things.lass of the cars with no bulls
t and ABS, but the cars are being robbed to make fakes, a real 3.2 will rocket in value.the Clubsport has already gone from £40k in 2011 to £200k today, that's drags up the Supersport.
if you want old school and like as new whats not to like here ?
or If you like the wide arch look the Supersport at RPM looks mega imo and still under £80k !
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 21st January 09:16
Your opinions on cars that you have owned are sometime controversial but fair enough as you are entitled to your opinion. Your opinions on cars you know very little about just make you come across as a keyboard warrior with a bad attitude and closed mind,
IMI A said:
Did someone say Le Mans? Trantorman's clubbie and the Black Snake. Both saville row builds on a 993 C2 and 993 RS twin turbo prepared for the Ring 1998 record. Trantorman built our yellow car with 9m for engine and Greg Cranmer who used to be Singers UK agent. Not sure if he still is Singers agent think he may have lost it to Tuthill?
I want a 993 nowEdited by IMI A on Tuesday 21st January 08:42
Porsche911R said:
the Clubsporthas already gone from £40k in 2011 to £200k today, that's drags up the Supersport.
Club Sport is a car that interests me. Last one I saw for sale (that sold) was the Hairpin car that Harry Metcalfe drove which was £150k https://youtu.be/iKsj5r-FnYg
International Collectibles just seem to have sold one that never made their website and Sports Purpose have had that red one for sale for months which I am guessing is the £200k car you reference ?
Never driven out even seen one but every time I read anything about ownership experience people love them. There’s a guy on social media who has one who takes his away what seems like every year with a group of four or five owners which must be an amazing site. Quite a cool garage
https://twitter.com/rsdriver00/status/112036773435...
Has anyone on hear got one ?
Cheib said:
Porsche911R said:
the Clubsporthas already gone from £40k in 2011 to £200k today, that's drags up the Supersport.
Club Sport is a car that interests me. Last one I saw for sale (that sold) was the Hairpin car that Harry Metcalfe drove which was £150k https://youtu.be/iKsj5r-FnYg
International Collectibles just seem to have sold one that never made their website and Sports Purpose have had that red one for sale for months which I am guessing is the £200k car you reference ?
Never driven out even seen one but every time I read anything about ownership experience people love them. There’s a guy on social media who has one who takes his away what seems like every year with a group of four or five owners which must be an amazing site. Quite a cool garage
https://twitter.com/rsdriver00/status/112036773435...
Has anyone on hear got one ?
Nice car at £50k for a time warp one but at £150k its quite frankly ridiculous if just based on the drive.
Have a look at this DP Motorsport Sleeper build and its amazing what you can do with a 3.2 Carrera - love that car they built - 270bhp/ 905kgs with fluids = 300bhp/ton. Same power to weight as 997 turbo
Sold for 60k Euros when I was looking for a 3.2 Carrera back in 2012/13! You can buy an rust free old 3.2 Carrera send to an indy like DP and you'll have a very special car for what £75k-£85k today? Deviated stitching a bit wonky so may not be for everyone!https://www.dp-motorsport.de/en/911-sleeper-3-2/
Clubsport a great car,but not a patch on a f series lwt with reasonable bhp.
Robbo,my comment re ride heights etc,most slam a car down expecting it to be better,but its all wrong unless you do it properly to all the chassis ,to get the roll centre correct,bump steer etc etc.
rsr set up is perfect with a lower ride height,but the front dampers have a 18mm extension to keep the steering in the working parameters,modified rear chassis pick ups and shorter arms,etc etc
My st racer i built looked normal height because i raised the arches,but slammed the car as much as i could to get away with the scrutts and there 100mm block of wood;)But under the skin much work and development had gone on,especially on the front end where most early 911 loose out on front end grip,not rear grip which is generaly a easy fix.
My comment about how a car handles or needs a set up that r came up with from a photo on not level ground and weighted etc,is just a guessing game,not every one puts arches on in the right place either,depends what the customer wanted!
And of course tutts know nothing;) i have enjoyed times of beating there cars and them going back to the shop to get a car better
very satisfying for a one man band!They are dam good set up,expensive may be,in the longrun possibly not,there cars are far from a bitsa.
Robbo,my comment re ride heights etc,most slam a car down expecting it to be better,but its all wrong unless you do it properly to all the chassis ,to get the roll centre correct,bump steer etc etc.
rsr set up is perfect with a lower ride height,but the front dampers have a 18mm extension to keep the steering in the working parameters,modified rear chassis pick ups and shorter arms,etc etc
My st racer i built looked normal height because i raised the arches,but slammed the car as much as i could to get away with the scrutts and there 100mm block of wood;)But under the skin much work and development had gone on,especially on the front end where most early 911 loose out on front end grip,not rear grip which is generaly a easy fix.
My comment about how a car handles or needs a set up that r came up with from a photo on not level ground and weighted etc,is just a guessing game,not every one puts arches on in the right place either,depends what the customer wanted!
And of course tutts know nothing;) i have enjoyed times of beating there cars and them going back to the shop to get a car better
very satisfying for a one man band!They are dam good set up,expensive may be,in the longrun possibly not,there cars are far from a bitsa.Yellow491 said:
Clubsport a great car,but not a patch on a f series lwt with reasonable bhp.
Robbo,my comment re ride heights etc,most slam a car down expecting it to be better,but its all wrong unless you do it properly to all the chassis ,to get the roll centre correct,bump steer etc etc.
rsr set up is perfect with a lower ride height,but the front dampers have a 18mm extension to keep the steering in the working parameters,modified rear chassis pick ups and shorter arms,etc etc
My st racer i built looked normal height because i raised the arches,but slammed the car as much as i could to get away with the scrutts and there 100mm block of wood;)But under the skin much work and development had gone on,especially on the front end where most early 911 loose out on front end grip,not rear grip which is generaly a easy fix.
My comment about how a car handles or needs a set up that r came up with from a photo on not level ground and weighted etc,is just a guessing game,not every one puts arches on in the right place either,depends what the customer wanted!
And of course tutts know nothing;) i have enjoyed times of beating there cars and them going back to the shop to get a car better very satisfying for a one man band!They are dam good set up,expensive may be,in the longrun possibly not,there cars are far from a bitsa.
Mine went from this....Robbo,my comment re ride heights etc,most slam a car down expecting it to be better,but its all wrong unless you do it properly to all the chassis ,to get the roll centre correct,bump steer etc etc.
rsr set up is perfect with a lower ride height,but the front dampers have a 18mm extension to keep the steering in the working parameters,modified rear chassis pick ups and shorter arms,etc etc
My st racer i built looked normal height because i raised the arches,but slammed the car as much as i could to get away with the scrutts and there 100mm block of wood;)But under the skin much work and development had gone on,especially on the front end where most early 911 loose out on front end grip,not rear grip which is generaly a easy fix.
My comment about how a car handles or needs a set up that r came up with from a photo on not level ground and weighted etc,is just a guessing game,not every one puts arches on in the right place either,depends what the customer wanted!
And of course tutts know nothing;) i have enjoyed times of beating there cars and them going back to the shop to get a car better
very satisfying for a one man band!They are dam good set up,expensive may be,in the longrun possibly not,there cars are far from a bitsa.
to this !
Transformd the car, actually back to original factory settings. Sublime drive.
JulierPass said:
Back on topic... AndrewD has one in build and it sounds amazing. He'd be the best one to ask to canvass opinion from re pricing and the Tuthill experience.
That’s a lovely little car and a bargain for somebody. These are mega cars and I laugh a bit when people mention them in the same breath as Singer though I can see why.
There’s the same special journey to create something bespoke. But for me personally I love that Richard actually starts with an old 911 shell and engine and not a 964. Probably means you can’t reliably get to 4 litres but the 3.8 going in my car built from a 3.2 will be plenty in something well below 1000kg. We are also staying with a 915 but playing with synchros and Tuthill also know how to build them properly. A joy and all part of the proper old air cooled feeling for me.
And RT really knows how to put a suspension on these cars and set them up. It’s also all the development you benefit from, they have their own brake callipers. And the loom has been on rally cars and developed over the years. You just don’t get all this with Singer.
What I do like about Singer though are the interiors. In my case, I’m solving that by working with Ian Callum and his mega talented team. So I will have something totally bespoke with loads of details and exquisite. The whole thing is a journey, not just the end result which I intend to drive the crap out of, of course. You simply can’t justify these things financially. But there is just nothing like it, so exciting I just wish it would be a faster process
AndrewD said:
JulierPass said:
Back on topic... AndrewD has one in build and it sounds amazing. He'd be the best one to ask to canvass opinion from re pricing and the Tuthill experience.
That’s a lovely little car and a bargain for somebody. These are mega cars and I laugh a bit when people mention them in the same breath as Singer though I can see why.
There’s the same special journey to create something bespoke. But for me personally I love that Richard actually starts with an old 911 shell and engine and not a 964. Probably means you can’t reliably get to 4 litres but the 3.8 going in my car built from a 3.2 will be plenty in something well below 1000kg. We are also staying with a 915 but playing with synchros and Tuthill also know how to build them properly. A joy and all part of the proper old air cooled feeling for me.
And RT really knows how to put a suspension on these cars and set them up. It’s also all the development you benefit from, they have their own brake callipers. And the loom has been on rally cars and developed over the years. You just don’t get all this with Singer.
What I do like about Singer though are the interiors. In my case, I’m solving that by working with Ian Callum and his mega talented team. So I will have something totally bespoke with loads of details and exquisite. The whole thing is a journey, not just the end result which I intend to drive the crap out of, of course. You simply can’t justify these things financially. But there is just nothing like it, so exciting I just wish it would be a faster process
Desert Dragon said:
Please do not let Ian Callum do what he did to that poor demo vanquish’s reimagined interior!
Beauty in eye of beholder and all that. But the interior of my car is very much bespoke to me. But I could not hope to turn my bunch of thoughts and scribbles into real stuff without mega talented designers and engineers. And what happens is they come up with loads of ideas and you realise how dumb you are and how much better it is when you work with people who know what they are doing! So if people don’t like it, I expect it will be down to me. But I will like it
Discombobulate said:
Robbo66 said:
Did the same with my 911s at CofG. Older 911s ride and handle better when the right (often higher) ride height. The rake is important though...Correct Rake is absolutely crucial on a f series,as is toe settings,not a lot of people know how much the toe changes under braking at the front,which is one place you need the car stable with good turn in.
Hot rods/r gruppe etc are great cars,although i am a traditionalist at heart with my cars,and porsche know best etc,hence i have zero interest in a singer,its great that these cars are out and about and great fun to drive,fake has nothing to do with it.
AndrewD said:
Desert Dragon said:
Please do not let Ian Callum do what he did to that poor demo vanquish’s reimagined interior!
Beauty in eye of beholder and all that. But the interior of my car is very much bespoke to me. But I could not hope to turn my bunch of thoughts and scribbles into real stuff without mega talented designers and engineers. And what happens is they come up with loads of ideas and you realise how dumb you are and how much better it is when you work with people who know what they are doing! So if people don’t like it, I expect it will be down to me. But I will like it
We want a British boutique auto car designer to be super successful.
Mind I hope he has nothing to do with those channel and fendi hand bag interiors currently in AM top 2020 DB11 SL models!
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