Tuthill 911 - Anyone tried or own one?
Discussion
Desert Dragon said:
Haha can’t wait to see it. Bet it’s brilliant and I’m sure they’ll want to put Singer to shame for a friendly bit of competition. These old 911s could represent a decent level of inflow of work for them if they do something amazing with your interior 
We want a British boutique auto car designer to be super successful.
Mind I hope he has nothing to do with those channel and fendi hand bag interiors currently in AM top 2020 DB11 SL models!
Haha! Nothing like those things. We want a British boutique auto car designer to be super successful.
Mind I hope he has nothing to do with those channel and fendi hand bag interiors currently in AM top 2020 DB11 SL models!
Taking inspiration from 67R, CGT, plus lots of modern ideas - idea is to save weight using clever design. But also feel very special and not just horribly basic and stripped out.
AndrewD said:
That’s a lovely little car and a bargain for somebody.
These are mega cars and I laugh a bit when people mention them in the same breath as Singer though I can see why.
There’s the same special journey to create something bespoke. But for me personally I love that Richard actually starts with an old 911 shell and engine and not a 964. Probably means you can’t reliably get to 4 litres but the 3.8 going in my car built from a 3.2 will be plenty in something well below 1000kg. We are also staying with a 915 but playing with synchros and Tuthill also know how to build them properly. A joy and all part of the proper old air cooled feeling for me.
And RT really knows how to put a suspension on these cars and set them up. It’s also all the development you benefit from, they have their own brake callipers. And the loom has been on rally cars and developed over the years. You just don’t get all this with Singer.
What I do like about Singer though are the interiors. In my case, I’m solving that by working with Ian Callum and his mega talented team. So I will have something totally bespoke with loads of details and exquisite. The whole thing is a journey, not just the end result which I intend to drive the crap out of, of course. You simply can’t justify these things financially. But there is just nothing like it, so exciting I just wish it would be a faster process
Andrew, your car sounds amazing. Interested in how long the build is going to take? Also, did Tuthill source the donor car or did you do that yourself? Getting a bespoke car is as you say all part of the experience. For me, The appeal would lie in the mechanicals/suspension/brakes and getting really good reliability - interior wise more stripped out and caged would be my bag - no idea what such a beast would cost, but suspect it would be North of £100K and around GT3 gen 2 money? These are mega cars and I laugh a bit when people mention them in the same breath as Singer though I can see why.
There’s the same special journey to create something bespoke. But for me personally I love that Richard actually starts with an old 911 shell and engine and not a 964. Probably means you can’t reliably get to 4 litres but the 3.8 going in my car built from a 3.2 will be plenty in something well below 1000kg. We are also staying with a 915 but playing with synchros and Tuthill also know how to build them properly. A joy and all part of the proper old air cooled feeling for me.
And RT really knows how to put a suspension on these cars and set them up. It’s also all the development you benefit from, they have their own brake callipers. And the loom has been on rally cars and developed over the years. You just don’t get all this with Singer.
What I do like about Singer though are the interiors. In my case, I’m solving that by working with Ian Callum and his mega talented team. So I will have something totally bespoke with loads of details and exquisite. The whole thing is a journey, not just the end result which I intend to drive the crap out of, of course. You simply can’t justify these things financially. But there is just nothing like it, so exciting I just wish it would be a faster process
Porsche911R said:
I would have rather had a real car all the same, a 89 Carrera 3.2 Super sport or some thing at less money but at least real.
lass of the cars with no bulls
t and ABS, but the cars are being robbed to make fakes, a real 3.2 will rocket in value.
the Clubsport has already gone from £40k in 2011 to £200k today, that's drags up the Supersport.
if you want old school and like as new whats not to like here ?
or If you like the wide arch look the Supersport at RPM looks mega imo and still under £80k !
Glad you like a real 911 lass of the cars with no bulls
t and ABS, but the cars are being robbed to make fakes, a real 3.2 will rocket in value.the Clubsport has already gone from £40k in 2011 to £200k today, that's drags up the Supersport.
if you want old school and like as new whats not to like here ?
or If you like the wide arch look the Supersport at RPM looks mega imo and still under £80k !
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 21st January 09:16
, here's mine
I find the restomods interesting but I do agree there's so many in Porsches back catalogue to choose from first. Part of the joy of ownership for me is the continuous improvements to make it as close as possible to the day it left the factory. I'm only the second owner and its a completely original low mileage example. In some ways I enjoy driving it more than the GT3 as you really have to drive it, lovely steering and you don't need to do embarrassing speeds to feel involved.
finmac said:
Andrew, your car sounds amazing. Interested in how long the build is going to take? Also, did Tuthill source the donor car or did you do that yourself? Getting a bespoke car is as you say all part of the experience. For me, The appeal would lie in the mechanicals/suspension/brakes and getting really good reliability - interior wise more stripped out and caged would be my bag - no idea what such a beast would cost, but suspect it would be North of £100K and around GT3 gen 2 money?
Give Richard Tuthill a call, very nice chap and thrives on finding solutions to the “problem” of what car is good for you. He is engineering and handling and car-led rather than marketing led. They have a barn full of shells - mine was a 72 oelklappe - in both LHD and RHD. Cost (and timescales) really depends what you want - engine, carbs, MFI, throttle bodies, 1 way or 5 way ex-tc, etc. I think my car won’t be ready for a little while but that’s also because we need to build tooling for some of the interior stuff. I’m sort of hoping by May or June.
Edited by AndrewD on Tuesday 21st January 20:43
AndrewD said:
Give Richard Tuthill a call, very nice chap and thrives on finding solutions to the “problem” of what car is good for you. He is engineering and handling and car-led rather than marketing led.
They have a barn full of shells - mine was a 72 oelklappe - in both LHD and RHD. Cost (and timescales) really depends what you want - engine, carbs, MFI, throttle bodies, 1 way or 5 way ex-tc, etc. I think my car won’t be ready for a little while but that’s also because we need to build tooling for some of the interior stuff. I’m sort of hoping by May or June.
Thanks Andrew. Is that June 2021?!They have a barn full of shells - mine was a 72 oelklappe - in both LHD and RHD. Cost (and timescales) really depends what you want - engine, carbs, MFI, throttle bodies, 1 way or 5 way ex-tc, etc. I think my car won’t be ready for a little while but that’s also because we need to build tooling for some of the interior stuff. I’m sort of hoping by May or June.
Edited by AndrewD on Tuesday 21st January 20:43
blackmamba said:
. The grey Tuthill car has been very well built and is excellent to drive - light, responsive and agile in a way the 3.2 Supersport could only dream of. They are different cars for different people who are looking for different things.
have you seen and driven that one ?Porsche911R said:
blackmamba said:
. The grey Tuthill car has been very well built and is excellent to drive - light, responsive and agile in a way the 3.2 Supersport could only dream of. They are different cars for different people who are looking for different things.
have you seen and driven that one ?Yellow491 said:
R give up and concede
OK :-)people just say odd things.
For a Tutill car it did seem cheap, I just wondered why.
the PH forum has been slagging off car's at this price and even upto £130k for the last12 months.
A car comes up for below the normal value and every one goes metal for it.
I thought the other poster by what he wrote has seen and driven it. So a fair question imo.
to requote "have you seen and driven that one ?"
pretty basic question. :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 22 January 08:53
It depends what you are after.
From the G-model 1974 and up, I have to disagree with the notion that "porsche has a back catalogue catering to every preference"
First of all the oil crisis and new bumper and pedestrian regulations means the design got ruined. Im speaking as a owner of maybe 10 G-models,
and I still own 2 930s and a 89 3.2. The impact bumper design ruins the lines, and adds weight. I used to like G-model design, but I dont really anymore.
Second of all, the engines: Out with the responsive and racing-derived MFI , in with horrible pancake intake K-Jetronic with lorry response.
For me, the F model is the purest and best design - use an early car for proper light weight too and you have a lovely setup.
I went with Street Restoration 2 complete suspension from Elephant racing. About 5K so not cheap but lovely. I didnt want coilovers or a modern design on my 67 912, i wanted the classic experience!
265 BHP at the rear wheels and 980 KG with half a tank of fuel on 185/70 skinny tyres, four wheel drifts are readily available
From the G-model 1974 and up, I have to disagree with the notion that "porsche has a back catalogue catering to every preference"
First of all the oil crisis and new bumper and pedestrian regulations means the design got ruined. Im speaking as a owner of maybe 10 G-models,
and I still own 2 930s and a 89 3.2. The impact bumper design ruins the lines, and adds weight. I used to like G-model design, but I dont really anymore.
Second of all, the engines: Out with the responsive and racing-derived MFI , in with horrible pancake intake K-Jetronic with lorry response.
For me, the F model is the purest and best design - use an early car for proper light weight too and you have a lovely setup.
I went with Street Restoration 2 complete suspension from Elephant racing. About 5K so not cheap but lovely. I didnt want coilovers or a modern design on my 67 912, i wanted the classic experience!
265 BHP at the rear wheels and 980 KG with half a tank of fuel on 185/70 skinny tyres, four wheel drifts are readily available
Edited by Mintbird on Wednesday 22 January 09:20
Edited by Mintbird on Wednesday 22 January 09:23
finmac said:
AndrewD said:
Give Richard Tuthill a call, very nice chap and thrives on finding solutions to the “problem” of what car is good for you. He is engineering and handling and car-led rather than marketing led.
They have a barn full of shells - mine was a 72 oelklappe - in both LHD and RHD. Cost (and timescales) really depends what you want - engine, carbs, MFI, throttle bodies, 1 way or 5 way ex-tc, etc. I think my car won’t be ready for a little while but that’s also because we need to build tooling for some of the interior stuff. I’m sort of hoping by May or June.
Thanks Andrew. Is that June 2021?!They have a barn full of shells - mine was a 72 oelklappe - in both LHD and RHD. Cost (and timescales) really depends what you want - engine, carbs, MFI, throttle bodies, 1 way or 5 way ex-tc, etc. I think my car won’t be ready for a little while but that’s also because we need to build tooling for some of the interior stuff. I’m sort of hoping by May or June.
Edited by AndrewD on Tuesday 21st January 20:43
Porsche911R said:
blackmamba said:
. The grey Tuthill car has been very well built and is excellent to drive - light, responsive and agile in a way the 3.2 Supersport could only dream of. They are different cars for different people and who are looking for different things.
have you seen and driven that one ?Porsche911R said:
Yellow491 said:
R give up and concede
OK :-)people just say odd things.
For a Tutill car it did seem cheap, I just wondered why.
the PH forum has been slagging off car's at this price and even upto £130k for the last12 months.
A car comes up for below the normal value and every one goes metal for it.
I thought the other poster by what he wrote has seen and driven it. So a fair question imo.
to requote "have you seen and driven that one ?"
pretty basic question. :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 22 January 08:53
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