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Juno said:
You definitely get what you pay for..Robbo66 said:
That’s another issue with Singer. Those that can afford, want to spec their own. Market for second hand way below that.
This.The Singer will not be your only car so you can wait. A large part of wanting a Singer is that you can spec your own to exactly that specification that you desire. That for me is worth the difference over any other car. If you take that away, its just a another car - exquisitely build “yes” but not customised to your liking.
Secondly, the asking price is driven by the cost of building one from scratch + the wait. Most people will not put a value on the “wait” so the alternative will always be to go to Singer and spec their own as the supply is unlimited unlike a limited edition car such as the 4.0 or R etc.
Cheib said:
RSVP911 said:
Cheib said:
Understand they typically sell for about 10% less than they cost to build...despite the 5 yr wait. I suppose if you want one you’ve probably got so many cars you can wait and have all the fun of speccing it yourself. Singer are apparently quite aggressive in trying to protect the market/keep prices for “lightly used”.
Personally I definitely wouldn’t want 4wd and would also be in the “I’d rather spec one myself” camp
Hi chap - not sure how they can protect market - only way would be to buy back and re sell I guess. For £k600 ish , I’d go CGT every time Personally I definitely wouldn’t want 4wd and would also be in the “I’d rather spec one myself” camp
t at doing so. But yes...I’d go CGT every time too!
Robbo66 said:
That’s another issue with Singer. Those that can afford, want to spec their own. Market for second hand way below that.
Completely get that, I just imagined that the cache of the badge and the waiting list would have seen a slightly higher price.Oh, and yes, I’d much rather a CGT. I noticed my favourite one has recently been sold by DK. That being the Cobalt Blue one that I drooled over as it sat front and centre in JCT Ferrari in Leeds, I believe it was awaiting collection, if memory serves me right they hadn’t finished building the Porsche dealership over the road at that point.
166 MM Barchetta said:
Robbo66 said:
That’s another issue with Singer. Those that can afford, want to spec their own. Market for second hand way below that.
Completely get that, I just imagined that the cache of the badge and the waiting list would have seen a slightly higher price.Oh, and yes, I’d much rather a CGT. I noticed my favourite one has recently been sold by DK. That being the Cobalt Blue one that I drooled over as it sat front and centre in JCT Ferrari in Leeds, I believe it was awaiting collection, if memory serves me right they hadn’t finished building the Porsche dealership over the road at that point.
The rear quarters are just laughable.
Think Monica Belushi wearing a G-star cap and butt lifter pants....where there was once perfection.
hornbaek said:
Robbo66 said:
That’s another issue with Singer. Those that can afford, want to spec their own. Market for second hand way below that.
This.The Singer will not be your only car so you can wait. A large part of wanting a Singer is that you can spec your own to exactly that specification that you desire. That for me is worth the difference over any other car. If you take that away, its just a another car - exquisitely build “yes” but not customised to your liking.
Secondly, the asking price is driven by the cost of building one from scratch + the wait. Most people will not put a value on the “wait” so the alternative will always be to go to Singer and spec their own as the supply is unlimited unlike a limited edition car such as the 4.0 or R etc.
comfortably numb said:
I can put a value on the wait, particularly since the amount of the deposit was so high and the wait so long (closer to 3 than 5 years). The idea of having a car built to my spec is very appealing. If you would rather buy another car, go buy another car. I'm not really interested in living with a CGT (not knocking it, sounds incredible at full chat, just not for me), nor an original 70's car with 70's issues.
I was at Snetterton with a guy running a Singer.
A really cool car that looked fantastic, went well, and was admired by everybody who knew what it was.
Regarding the price ... and wait ... each to their own.
I have a non matching numbers "RS lightweighted" 2.4s with sports seats and pre-inertia reel seat bels ... for road work it is fab !
A really cool car that looked fantastic, went well, and was admired by everybody who knew what it was.
Regarding the price ... and wait ... each to their own.
I have a non matching numbers "RS lightweighted" 2.4s with sports seats and pre-inertia reel seat bels ... for road work it is fab !
ChrisW. said:
I was at Snetterton with a guy running a Singer.
A really cool car that looked fantastic, went well, and was admired by everybody who knew what it was.
Regarding the price ... and wait ... each to their own.
I have a non matching numbers "RS lightweighted" 2.4s with sports seats and pre-inertia reel seat bels ... for road work it is fab !
Sounds lovely , can we see a pic Chris ? A really cool car that looked fantastic, went well, and was admired by everybody who knew what it was.
Regarding the price ... and wait ... each to their own.
I have a non matching numbers "RS lightweighted" 2.4s with sports seats and pre-inertia reel seat bels ... for road work it is fab !
Fanboy911 said:
ChrisW. said:
I was at Snetterton with a guy running a Singer.
A really cool car that looked fantastic, went well, and was admired by everybody who knew what it was.
Regarding the price ... and wait ... each to their own.
I have a non matching numbers "RS lightweighted" 2.4s with sports seats and pre-inertia reel seat bels ... for road work it is fab !
Sounds lovely , can we see a pic Chris ? A really cool car that looked fantastic, went well, and was admired by everybody who knew what it was.
Regarding the price ... and wait ... each to their own.
I have a non matching numbers "RS lightweighted" 2.4s with sports seats and pre-inertia reel seat bels ... for road work it is fab !
Cheib said:
I’d have an Emory 356 over a Singer I think....absolutely love them. Stunning cars and starting to get a serious following....one sold on Bring a Trailer recently for $500k
Starting to get a serious following,the family has been a legend for years,i visited there shop last year and bbq etc,some very cool cars,i think the black car you put up is the pinacle of his hot rods,sadly not for sale.Thanks for the pic.Edited by Yellow491 on Monday 17th February 07:53
Cheib said:
I’d have an Emory 356 over a Singer I think....absolutely love them. Stunning cars and starting to get a serious following....one sold on Bring a Trailer recently for $500k
That is rather lovely (other than the colour choice) and their bespoke engine castings are something else and set them apart what they do from most others.Plus the fact that finding decent 356's to start with is much harder. At Goodwood Revival last year I was talking to the young German guy from Porsche Classic who was working on the 356 body they had on show for the weekend, and the hours needed to repair/restore that shagged out 356 was mind blowing. He said 1200 hrs at 120 euro per hour, just for the metalwork, that didn't include the prep for painting!
A little late to the thread but I'm currently having a restomod built by pro9. It's been an enjoyable and educational experience, I thought I was a porsche geek but the nuances of old Porsches is wide and deep.
It's been about a year in the making. I've used a 84 Carrera which was already a wide body, done by the previous owner at great cost. I've gone for a rsr/st/singer blend in gulf blue, 15 braids on original Michelin's, brown singer style interior running ITB's. It's cost me about 80k including the car. That includes a full respray, new suspension, lots of rs goodies, ITB's on a separate ECU, new wheels and interior, new brakes, complete powder coat of anything that was removable underneath and the long bonnet back date.
I have pictures but will wait until it's finished. Happy to answer any questions, particularly about the long bonnet conversation and back date options etc.
It's been about a year in the making. I've used a 84 Carrera which was already a wide body, done by the previous owner at great cost. I've gone for a rsr/st/singer blend in gulf blue, 15 braids on original Michelin's, brown singer style interior running ITB's. It's cost me about 80k including the car. That includes a full respray, new suspension, lots of rs goodies, ITB's on a separate ECU, new wheels and interior, new brakes, complete powder coat of anything that was removable underneath and the long bonnet back date.
I have pictures but will wait until it's finished. Happy to answer any questions, particularly about the long bonnet conversation and back date options etc.
aeropilot said:
Cheib said:
I’d have an Emory 356 over a Singer I think....absolutely love them. Stunning cars and starting to get a serious following....one sold on Bring a Trailer recently for $500k
That is rather lovely (other than the colour choice) and their bespoke engine castings are something else and set them apart what they do from most others.Plus the fact that finding decent 356's to start with is much harder. At Goodwood Revival last year I was talking to the young German guy from Porsche Classic who was working on the 356 body they had on show for the weekend, and the hours needed to repair/restore that shagged out 356 was mind blowing. He said 1200 hrs at 120 euro per hour, just for the metalwork, that didn't include the prep for painting!
Cheib said:
I’ve a friend who is a bit of a beard when it comes to 356’s....he tells me its the Unibody construction that makes them extremely difficulty to work on...not sure what Unibody is though! He reckons there are only a couple of places in the UK you can really entrust to doing the work and did say it is not a cheap exercise.
Looking at that rusty as fook, bare 356 shell on the rotisserie at Goodwood, its certainly a complicated construction with lots of weird pressings, and numerous double skin areas and nooks and cranny's all over the place.Cheib said:
I’ve a friend who is a bit of a beard when it comes to 356’s....he tells me its the Unibody construction that makes them extremely difficulty to work on...not sure what Unibody is though! He reckons there are only a couple of places in the UK you can really entrust to doing the work and did say it is not a cheap exercise.
From Wiki :"The term unibody or unit body is short for unitized body, or alternatively unitary construction design. It is. A type of body/frame construction in which the body of the vehicle, its floor plan and chassis form a single structure"
So unlike most early cars whereby they had a chassis that body was bolted on to/top of, a unibody is a bodyshell as we know it today.
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