Discussion
Twinfan said:
Melvynr said:
A total impossibility of straight piped back box causing any engine problems or back pressure.
Taffy66 said:
Under EU law the manufacturer has to prove beyond reasonable doubt the the rear bypass caused any engine damage which is impossible.!
Hopefully you guys have the evidence to prove that if Porsche come up with something to the contrary? Not sure I'd want to fight Porsche in court 
Nineexcellence1 said:
Engine vibration - started get worse, then mechanical noise. We diagnosed failed oil pump but of course unless you strip you cannot tell, but it was directly from that spot on the crankcase. Really unusual for an oil pump to fail of course. Porsche replaced the engine, no real feedback. I suspect it was just a one off as mileage so low.
Thanks for the reply.The car has been with the rear bumper off and exhaust checked thoroughly, all heat shields double-checked for clearance and firmness. Tech can hear the noise coming from the right-hand side but cannot pinpoint it, has taken sound file and raised a technical issue with Porsche, so just awaiting a reply back.
Does not sound good to me after reading your symptoms.Thanks again.
Congratulations on your new motor Gt3 Rob and Molly :-)
Can you advise why you think the previous car was about to take a depreciation hit please. I’m not sure I understand why... I thought new shiny cars were more mileage sensitive, although I’ve never owned such a car, I’m looking at a manual gt3 but wondering if I’d prefer an RS as they are the pinnacle in most people’s eyes and relatively little more if you look as asking prices ( unless it’s yellow, which are great value) :-)
Is the new car any better than the previous model in your view ?
Can you advise why you think the previous car was about to take a depreciation hit please. I’m not sure I understand why... I thought new shiny cars were more mileage sensitive, although I’ve never owned such a car, I’m looking at a manual gt3 but wondering if I’d prefer an RS as they are the pinnacle in most people’s eyes and relatively little more if you look as asking prices ( unless it’s yellow, which are great value) :-)
Is the new car any better than the previous model in your view ?
The GT3RS needs to be in the bright colours, lava orange was a great colour, but the Miami Blue cars are my favourite now, and you don't see that many of them, it is almost PTS.
All the 2019 cars seem black and silver?
The 2019 GT3RS cars are supposed to be faster with the throttle body's new exhaust and software updates.
They are also quite a bit lighter apparently with the new exhaust and WP.
Is there anything online comparing the 2018 standard 3RS and the 2019 upgraded WP 3RS?
All the 2019 cars seem black and silver?
The 2019 GT3RS cars are supposed to be faster with the throttle body's new exhaust and software updates.
They are also quite a bit lighter apparently with the new exhaust and WP.
Is there anything online comparing the 2018 standard 3RS and the 2019 upgraded WP 3RS?
Purple Man said:
The GT3RS needs to be in the bright colours, lava orange was a great colour, but the Miami Blue cars are my favourite now, and you don't see that many of them, it is almost PTS.
All the 2019 cars seem black and silver?
The 2019 GT3RS cars are supposed to be faster with the throttle body's new exhaust and software updates.
They are also quite a bit lighter apparently with the new exhaust and WP.
Is there anything online comparing the 2018 standard 3RS and the 2019 upgraded WP 3RS?
imo they would feel the same to drive on the same wheels, cannot see how you would notice other wise.All the 2019 cars seem black and silver?
The 2019 GT3RS cars are supposed to be faster with the throttle body's new exhaust and software updates.
They are also quite a bit lighter apparently with the new exhaust and WP.
Is there anything online comparing the 2018 standard 3RS and the 2019 upgraded WP 3RS?
the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
Melvynr said:
Nineexcellence1 said:
Engine vibration - started get worse, then mechanical noise. We diagnosed failed oil pump but of course unless you strip you cannot tell, but it was directly from that spot on the crankcase. Really unusual for an oil pump to fail of course. Porsche replaced the engine, no real feedback. I suspect it was just a one off as mileage so low.
Thanks for the reply.The car has been with the rear bumper off and exhaust checked thoroughly, all heat shields double-checked for clearance and firmness. Tech can hear the noise coming from the right-hand side but cannot pinpoint it, has taken sound file and raised a technical issue with Porsche, so just awaiting a reply back.
Does not sound good to me after reading your symptoms.Thanks again.
Porsche911R said:
imo they would feel the same to drive on the same wheels, cannot see how you would notice other wise.
the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
That makes sense ...in the real world the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
hunter 66 said:
Porsche911R said:
imo they would feel the same to drive on the same wheels, cannot see how you would notice other wise.
the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
That makes sense ...in the real world the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
TDT said:
hunter 66 said:
Porsche911R said:
imo they would feel the same to drive on the same wheels, cannot see how you would notice other wise.
the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
That makes sense ...in the real world the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
angussampson said:
Congratulations on your new motor Gt3 Rob and Molly :-)
Can you advise why you think the previous car was about to take a depreciation hit please. I’m not sure I understand why... I thought new shiny cars were more mileage sensitive, although I’ve never owned such a car, I’m looking at a manual gt3 but wondering if I’d prefer an RS as they are the pinnacle in most people’s eyes and relatively little more if you look as asking prices ( unless it’s yellow, which are great value) :-)
Is the new car any better than the previous model in your view ?
Hardly driven it so far so difficult to make a comparison. Can you advise why you think the previous car was about to take a depreciation hit please. I’m not sure I understand why... I thought new shiny cars were more mileage sensitive, although I’ve never owned such a car, I’m looking at a manual gt3 but wondering if I’d prefer an RS as they are the pinnacle in most people’s eyes and relatively little more if you look as asking prices ( unless it’s yellow, which are great value) :-)
Is the new car any better than the previous model in your view ?
robgt3 said:
TDT said:
hunter 66 said:
Porsche911R said:
imo they would feel the same to drive on the same wheels, cannot see how you would notice other wise.
the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
That makes sense ...in the real world the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
TDT said:
This is silly really... letter of the 'law' being blindly applied.... I thought that Porsche was better than this... but maybe that's just the sub-culture rather that the official part of the brand itself.
I won’t be buying any new cars going forward, the attitude and the ppf and the eps is all too much.Might go and buy a old v8 4.7 vantage as least people will let you out a side road and not much sounds better, and the steering works. £55k what’s not to like. And get Banford rose to look after it at 1/2 the price. My OH said at 50 I was allowed an Aston.
TDT said:
This is silly really... letter of the 'law' being blindly applied.... I thought that Porsche was better than this... but maybe that's just the sub-culture rather that the official part of the brand itself.
I’m not sure you could expect any other answer....whoever said that has got no real idea what Porsche’s attitude is going to be to any given warranty claim....their policy can change etc and as we all know from posts on this forum the policy is at best inconsistent. And obviously for said employee there is absolutely zero upside for them saying anything elseI doubt there are many people on here that provide a warranty with any products they sell/manufacture that don’t have a similar policy regarding modifications.
I don’t think Porsche have carte blanche on warranty claims....they would have to be reasonable.
Cheib said:
TDT said:
This is silly really... letter of the 'law' being blindly applied.... I thought that Porsche was better than this... but maybe that's just the sub-culture rather that the official part of the brand itself.
I’m not sure you could expect any other answer....whoever said that has got no real idea what Porsche’s attitude is going to be to any given warranty claim....their policy can change etc and as we all know from posts on this forum the policy is at best inconsistent. And obviously for said employee there is absolutely zero upside for them saying anything elseI doubt there are many people on here that provide a warranty with any products they sell/manufacture that don’t have a similar policy regarding modifications.
I don’t think Porsche have carte blanche on warranty claims....they would have to be reasonable.
My issue here is that this is an OEM option that is affixed with bolts, and not structural. If it was welded in i would say of course not.
You are asking the dealership to remove it with their approved tools and techniques and will pay them. And they say no? When it has no material impact other than you now cannot affix a harness. They produce the car with and without the cage.… bolt on option. It used to be delivered unconstructed for 911, I think and only built during PDI. Not sure if that’s still the case, if so, no reason for them to not be able to support.
TDT said:
Cheib said:
TDT said:
This is silly really... letter of the 'law' being blindly applied.... I thought that Porsche was better than this... but maybe that's just the sub-culture rather that the official part of the brand itself.
I’m not sure you could expect any other answer....whoever said that has got no real idea what Porsche’s attitude is going to be to any given warranty claim....their policy can change etc and as we all know from posts on this forum the policy is at best inconsistent. And obviously for said employee there is absolutely zero upside for them saying anything elseI doubt there are many people on here that provide a warranty with any products they sell/manufacture that don’t have a similar policy regarding modifications.
I don’t think Porsche have carte blanche on warranty claims....they would have to be reasonable.
My issue here is that this is an OEM option that is affixed with bolts, and not structural. If it was welded in i would say of course not.
You are asking the dealership to remove it with their approved tools and techniques and will pay them. And they say no? When it has no material impact other than you now cannot affix a harness. They produce the car with and without the cage.… bolt on option. It used to be delivered unconstructed for 911, I think and only built during PDI. Not sure if that’s still the case, if so, no reason for them to not be able to support.
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