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GT4P said:
But would I pay more than regular gt3 .... That's a big fat no, a touring just gives another choice like pdk , manual or CS or even different seats in a regular gt3.
Interesting that the GT3 Touring is broadly viewed as a 'separate' model entirely from the winged GT3 but in reality it is merely one of the five different separate models being winged comfort winged cs both with PDK/'manuel' options.Those talking about the rarity of GT3 Touring allegedly propping up values may want to consider there are probably fewer GT3 winged comforts and GT3 winged bucketed non cage/non cs cars in the UK.
av185 said:
Those talking about the rarity of GT3 Touring allegedly propping up values may want to consider there are probably fewer GT3 winged comforts and GT3 winged bucketed non cage/non cs cars in the UK.
Rarity isn't worth diddly squat without demand, the Touring clearly has demand.when people say it looks so right, it looks like a standard £50k 2nd hand 991 !!
As most people say that's too big it makes the Touring fans talk b
ks on what looks right as in one hand the 991 too big and now it's just right !!
make your mind up FFS :-)
we all know it looks like a standard car and that's the appeal to some, but that market is so so tiny to A: find a buyer and B then expect some one to pay £30k more, the 3 people above who would rather have one, WILL NEVER BUY ONE, they may as well be saying they would buy a la Ferrari !!!
BUt that's forums for you, people voted with their feet when it was launched and it was a poor seller that's the fact of the model and thus the overs and gaps are closing now the flippers have gone.
I think it looks meh for a £160k you would have to be barking mad.
List price, yes a great car and a valid choice and the small number who did choose that option did so because they wanted one or wanted a R to flip !!
as lets face it most were flipped.
the Touring needed rear seats it would have sold triple the amount.
I don't dislike it, I just don't get the price gap, which will soon imo be nothing.
As most people say that's too big it makes the Touring fans talk b
ks on what looks right as in one hand the 991 too big and now it's just right !!make your mind up FFS :-)
we all know it looks like a standard car and that's the appeal to some, but that market is so so tiny to A: find a buyer and B then expect some one to pay £30k more, the 3 people above who would rather have one, WILL NEVER BUY ONE, they may as well be saying they would buy a la Ferrari !!!
BUt that's forums for you, people voted with their feet when it was launched and it was a poor seller that's the fact of the model and thus the overs and gaps are closing now the flippers have gone.
I think it looks meh for a £160k you would have to be barking mad.
List price, yes a great car and a valid choice and the small number who did choose that option did so because they wanted one or wanted a R to flip !!
as lets face it most were flipped.
the Touring needed rear seats it would have sold triple the amount.
I don't dislike it, I just don't get the price gap, which will soon imo be nothing.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 8th April 11:31
Twinfan said:
I've never said the 991 is too big.
I won't buy one as I can't afford one, but if I had the cash I would and I'd pay more for a Touring than a winged car. Actual buyers seem to have been happy to do the same given the market until recently.
I would pay more for a la Ferrari if I had the cash but I cannot afford one either.I won't buy one as I can't afford one, but if I had the cash I would and I'd pay more for a Touring than a winged car. Actual buyers seem to have been happy to do the same given the market until recently.
see how it goes on forums.
when push comes to shove you would not pay £30k or at the start £60k more for a GT3 with no wing , that's pretty much a given.
It's now a VERY tiny market now the moneys gone from them, owners who made the choice will love them as it was a choice for them for a reason, BUT AT LIST price.
all these cheaper touring cars for sale were Sytners directors cars !!! totally b
ks how a lot of directors from Sytners ended up with these !!Leicester also had a directors car for sale !! now have a Del mile speedster for sale which never left the showroom !!! and seem to be flipped 718 GT4's
all this 12 month wait for OPC seems out the window again.
Twinfan said:
That's the whole reason whyTouring fans love the car - it's not about the looks, it's the wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-ness.
You either get it or you don't.
I don't :-)You either get it or you don't.
it was to please the press over ltd R numbers, and when push came to shove it took very low orders,
Owners will love them as they would not have chosen one in the 1st place but it's what , 35 guys !! the rest are for sale or at OPC Directors houses !
I don't dislike it at all, I DO think it needed rear seats to set it apart from a winged one, that would have at least made sense.
When push came to shove in the end people voted with their money and bought the winged car.
the 35 owners all seem to be on here though so the views are very bias ;-) so many have R stickers also for some reason !!
so they wanted a wolf then stickered it up to look like a £300k model !!!
I just see it as a slower lesser model for more money which is what it is even the seats are the cheaper fabric the T had yuk !
It totally lacks every thing a GT3 stands for, the drama, the wings, the looks.
I get the R it was very special, the touring was pure marketing to please the press due to the R outrage.
Twinfan said:
That's the whole reason whyTouring fans love the car - it's not about the looks, it's the wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-ness.
You either get it or you don't.
Indeed, for some that's exactly what it's about, me included. I spent many months looking for one with the spec. I wanted. Lowndes has done vitually exactly the same, so it must be something 980 owners see the appeal of.You either get it or you don't.
Added some light wheels and battery,small amount of interior tailoring, had the rear badge painted and the yellow belts swapped to black.
The fact 99% of folks think it's a base 911 is precisely the appeal, add in the berating Laurel and Hardy give the Touring and the appeal grows further:
Porsche911R said:
The R's quite special, Carbon panels, lwfw, VERY ltd. numbers.
It’s the 10% which makes ok cars great cars.
The R is a RS sans wing, not a GT3 sans wing like the touring.
the above absolutely correct and i agree with. i would have loved an R.It’s the 10% which makes ok cars great cars.
The R is a RS sans wing, not a GT3 sans wing like the touring.
however to say that the 'touring' wasn't popular isn't factually correct. the 'touring pack' option was announced at Frankfurt show 2017, after the first and largest batch of RHD cars had been produced. the option was thus only available for those who got a late order in, or a slot which someone had passed on (me, in January 2018). Therefore the take-up in the UK for RHD production was only ever going to be limited. I believe the take up of this option was much higher in the USA, as they got a 3rd batch of cars built post new emissions rules changing. And this is before one considers that it's not available with PDK and that many people will prefer the look of the winged car. I think there are 47 UK 'touring option pack' cars.
to an enthusiast's eye they can easily see it's not a standard C2. ride height, stance, wheels, brakes, front/rear PU, exhaust, etc etc. come on chap, even you can easily see it, you are a massive enthusiast.
also i know 3 people (myself included) who ticked the 'touring option' box, and all 3 still own their cars (haven't flipped). i love mine, use it daily (for food runs currently), have tracked it (Nordschiefe, Spa, Silverstone) and hope to keep it until i am not allowed to any longer.
peace
I think the Touring works best as the ultimate daily driver, if you have done well enough to have a fleet of cars including far more exotic stuff. Its the one car you can use for everything... something a bit special for the drive to work and road trips and track capable.
IMO....
If the GT3 is the best car you own... then you probably want the wing experience.
If its your beater... you'll probably be more inclined to take a Touring and drive the wheels off it.
Of course there will be people that just want either a Winged or Touring irrespective of the reasons i have stated - but it was just a broad sweep.
I personally can appreciate both variations....but I do wish that the Touring was available with rear seats as a no-cost option... that would distinguish it far more...in fact it would be perfect then.
IMO....
If the GT3 is the best car you own... then you probably want the wing experience.
If its your beater... you'll probably be more inclined to take a Touring and drive the wheels off it.
Of course there will be people that just want either a Winged or Touring irrespective of the reasons i have stated - but it was just a broad sweep.
I personally can appreciate both variations....but I do wish that the Touring was available with rear seats as a no-cost option... that would distinguish it far more...in fact it would be perfect then.
seawise said:
Porsche911R said:
The R's quite special, Carbon panels, lwfw, VERY ltd. numbers.
It’s the 10% which makes ok cars great cars.
The R is a RS sans wing, not a GT3 sans wing like the touring.
the above absolutely correct and i agree with. i would have loved an R.It’s the 10% which makes ok cars great cars.
The R is a RS sans wing, not a GT3 sans wing like the touring.
however to say that the 'touring' wasn't popular isn't factually correct. the 'touring pack' option was announced at Frankfurt show 2017, after the first and largest batch of RHD cars had been produced. the option was thus only available for those who got a late order in, or a slot which someone had passed on (me, in January 2018). Therefore the take-up in the UK for RHD production was only ever going to be limited. I believe the take up of this option was much higher in the USA, as they got a 3rd batch of cars built post new emissions rules changing. And this is before one considers that it's not available with PDK and that many people will prefer the look of the winged car. I think there are 47 UK 'touring option pack' cars.
to an enthusiast's eye they can easily see it's not a standard C2. ride height, stance, wheels, brakes, front/rear PU, exhaust, etc etc. come on chap, even you can easily see it, you are a massive enthusiast.
also i know 3 people (myself included) who ticked the 'touring option' box, and all 3 still own their cars (haven't flipped). i love mine, use it daily (for food runs currently), have tracked it (Nordschiefe, Spa, Silverstone) and hope to keep it until i am not allowed to any longer.
peace
they only announced it at the tail end of the production run as we might of seen more than 47 cars. I wasn’t aware so little were on the uk roads, rare old beast compared to other so called limited production models.
Porsche911R said:
, the 3 people above who would rather have one, WILL NEVER BUY ONE, they may as well be saying they would buy a la Ferrari !!!
Since I feel you are referring to me in the 3 thus Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 8th April 11:31
making it personal I will answer back to that one!
Currently yes I wouldn't buy one due to financial constraints as money tied up else where but you don't know me or what I may or may not buy like I don't know you! It's like me saying most like you who own a winged gt3 never see a track so you might as well have bought a £50k 911 to pose round the streets in ( I am sure I read way back that your gt3 when purchased was never going to see a track but you went for the CS option?) but I couldn't give two hoots what someone does with their own car its their choice!
I may or may not ever buy a touring but was voicing an opinion on the model I prefer like many others but at current levels of pricing I would not be interested I rather have a 718 spyder for nearly half the price !
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