996 GT3 what’s your thoughts ?
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BrotherMouzone said:
That JZM yellow must be the most expensive Comfort sold in recent years. Just goes to show cars with the ‘right colour and specs’ always sell.
Your on the fb page arent you so youd have seen what I've been offered for mine. But does make it interesting that some stick around for ages and others go quickly.Though having 24k on the jzm possibly helped
Also, why is it the same poster trying to derail the thread with chat about pasm. No one gives a f
k as 996s dont have itPorsche911R said:
I bet you did not have PASM on , !!! on those roads.
you know I am right FFS it's annoying ;-)
don't make me post all the time you said the same back in 2011 !!! there are loads of posts
even Harris , mr fan boy fitted shocks to his 997.1 GT3, and you have shocks and a CUP final drive on yours, as do many serious owners inc keep it lit etc.
NO myth about gearing or bouncy front ends on thse cars, only rose tinted specs !
Calm down !! you know I am right FFS it's annoying ;-)
don't make me post all the time you said the same back in 2011 !!! there are loads of posts
even Harris , mr fan boy fitted shocks to his 997.1 GT3, and you have shocks and a CUP final drive on yours, as do many serious owners inc keep it lit etc.
NO myth about gearing or bouncy front ends on thse cars, only rose tinted specs !
I think if you were to take the time to look back at my posts on the subject of the Gen 1 997 GT3 suspension, you'll see that I "considered" fitting 3 way Ohlins TTX's, but decided it would have been gilding the lily for road use use.
I've no doubt their fitment for an oft used track car, would be highly beneficial, but for road use, I found both my Gen 1 997 GT3's more than capable of dealing with the UK's potholed and poorly-maintained roads.
Furthermore I've consistently said I found my 997 GT3's a little bit too rounded and accomplished for road use (as I did the Cayman R), hence why I sold them.
Put quite simply, at 57, my days of driving around our roads at 120 Leptons are over, there's little pleasure to be gained from driving at such speeds, and a lot to be lost.
But whilst my perspective has changed with regards to my willingness to flout the law, my stance on the 997 GT3's suspension for road use has not. There's no ambiguity on my part, and never has been.
The 996 GT3 suspension is another matter altogether (and yes, when pressing on, things can get a bit lively up front).
If your modus operandi focuses on regularly driving on the UK's A & B roads (or on track) at speeds consistently over 100 Leptons, the fitment of some decent 3 way adjustable bump/rebound dampers is of benefit.
For those happy to enjoy their cars sub 100 Leptons, a Mk1 or Mk2 996 GT3 with its OE suspension in rude health, will more than suffice. Though as I said earlier in this very thread, my preference is for the earlier car, due to it's slightly more compliant dampers and springs.
I've nothing further to say on this specific matter, so I'll leave it at that.
BrotherMouzone said:
Slippydiff said:
First was Meteor, second Slate. Both were great cars, but possibly a little too accomplished for my liking.
I'd have either back in a heartbeat :-)
Was Slate PTS? Can’t remember the last time I saw a 997 slate. Beautiful.I'd have either back in a heartbeat :-)
Slippydiff said:
Put quite simply, at 57, my days of driving around our roads at 120 Leptons are over, there's little pleasure to be gained from driving at such speeds, and a lot to be lost.
suspension in rude health, will more than suffice. Though as I said earlier in this very thread, my preference is for the earlier car, due to it's slightly more compliant dampers and springs.
This where i'm at although not quite in age but not far off! suspension in rude health, will more than suffice. Though as I said earlier in this very thread, my preference is for the earlier car, due to it's slightly more compliant dampers and springs.
All well and good Porsche offering a new 992 Turbo with 643HP but i dont live in Germany so pointless to me and where is the feel in that car ? Maybe i'm missing the point i dunno.
Uk legal road speeds ish is what i want to enjoy in a car that feels alive in my hands.
Old hands of course :-)
lemmingjames said:
A way to soften the ride in the 996 is to fit supersport tyres as opposed the oem ps2 if road driving is more your thing
Some of that improvement will be down to using the taller 35 profile rear tyres I suspect ? the rest due to the SuperSport's more modern construction.I swapped from Cup 2's to SuperSports on my 2nd 997 GT3, the difference was very marked. A lot quieter riding and compliant.
PASM plus a DSC controller isn’t a bad half way house. In fact I’d say it a bit have your cake and eat it as you can go way stiffer on track and way softer on road. I’d recommend anyone trying one before you bin or worry about the stk suspension. Certainly for a road car. It’s a bit like “HI Def “ PASM.
Interestingly on my 964RS N-GT I had fitted front Cup dampers which were much more compliant than the standard dampers ... but all the suspension had been replaced when I bought the car.
Regarding actively tracking old cars, a friend of mine had a hub carrier fail on his 964RS N-GT at Spa --- at one right hand corner later than the end of the Kemel straight ! (I forget the name). He ended up in the kitty litter so close to a concrete wall that he couldn't get out at the drivers side ... hence my chosen steed for modification being my GT4.
Regarding the 996 Gen1 CS ... most prospective collectables have greater upward potential when unmodified from standard ... it is therefore an irritation that mine is missing it's front section of the roll cage which appears never to have been fitted. If Heigo, are they still in business ?
It is also surprising (or maybe not) how much more compliant and feelsom refreshed suspension makes a car. The old 964RS was a firm ride, but not as firm as some of the old original cars now are. I remember some of the owners complaining that they were almost bounced off the road by the bobbing nose !
Regarding actively tracking old cars, a friend of mine had a hub carrier fail on his 964RS N-GT at Spa --- at one right hand corner later than the end of the Kemel straight ! (I forget the name). He ended up in the kitty litter so close to a concrete wall that he couldn't get out at the drivers side ... hence my chosen steed for modification being my GT4.
Regarding the 996 Gen1 CS ... most prospective collectables have greater upward potential when unmodified from standard ... it is therefore an irritation that mine is missing it's front section of the roll cage which appears never to have been fitted. If Heigo, are they still in business ?
It is also surprising (or maybe not) how much more compliant and feelsom refreshed suspension makes a car. The old 964RS was a firm ride, but not as firm as some of the old original cars now are. I remember some of the owners complaining that they were almost bounced off the road by the bobbing nose !
ttdan said:
PASM plus a DSC controller isn’t a bad half way house. In fact I’d say it a bit have your cake and eat it as you can go way stiffer on track and way softer on road. I’d recommend anyone trying one before you bin or worry about the stk suspension. Certainly for a road car. It’s a bit like “HI Def “ PASM.
If a DSC controller could be programmed to fix the dampers to two given settings (basically making them passive dampers) that would be perfect. I have found having switchable suspension useful but the active part (dampers constantly operating over a range of stiffness) less so, having learned from the good folk on this forum about how that affects the car's predictability at the limits on track.I enjoy these threads for how they flush out owners' experiences (with one notable exception
).
ChrisW. said:
Interestingly on my 964RS N-GT I had fitted front Cup dampers which were much more compliant than the standard dampers ... but all the suspension had been replaced when I bought the car.
Regarding actively tracking old cars, a friend of mine had a hub carrier fail on his 964RS N-GT at Spa --- at one right hand corner later than the end of the Kemel straight ! (I forget the name). He ended up in the kitty litter so close to a concrete wall that he couldn't get out at the drivers side ... hence my chosen steed for modification being my GT4.
Regarding the 996 Gen1 CS ... most prospective collectables have greater upward potential when unmodified from standard ... it is therefore an irritation that mine is missing it's front section of the roll cage which appears never to have been fitted. If Heigo, are they still in business ?
It is also surprising (or maybe not) how much more compliant and feelsom refreshed suspension makes a car. The old 964RS was a firm ride, but not as firm as some of the old original cars now are. I remember some of the owners complaining that they were almost bounced off the road by the bobbing nose !
Heigo is still in business, but I doubt that you can buy a front cage from them. Always worth sticking a wanted add on race cars direct or the S9/Facepalm/other forums. My friend bought (stole) Adrian Ong’s old Trigger’s Broom and TerryB on here was kind enough to sell him the missing front cage, which he had kept while being a subsequent owner of the car...Regarding actively tracking old cars, a friend of mine had a hub carrier fail on his 964RS N-GT at Spa --- at one right hand corner later than the end of the Kemel straight ! (I forget the name). He ended up in the kitty litter so close to a concrete wall that he couldn't get out at the drivers side ... hence my chosen steed for modification being my GT4.
Regarding the 996 Gen1 CS ... most prospective collectables have greater upward potential when unmodified from standard ... it is therefore an irritation that mine is missing it's front section of the roll cage which appears never to have been fitted. If Heigo, are they still in business ?
It is also surprising (or maybe not) how much more compliant and feelsom refreshed suspension makes a car. The old 964RS was a firm ride, but not as firm as some of the old original cars now are. I remember some of the owners complaining that they were almost bounced off the road by the bobbing nose !
As for tracking an old car - failure of that sort is extremely unlikely. I race two old Porsches which both had in excess of 200k on them before they were converted to race cars. They both have significantly bigger power outputs than a 996 GT3 and get driven way harder than a track day. No such worries about components failing from age. I also track my GT3 - it is SORNED - and gets trailered to TDs - if I spank it - so what - the insurance covers it and the agreed value is such that it would afford to rebuild it from scratch. As if all the 2.7RS and the 964RS that are for sale have always lived a life inside a cocoon?!
Zandvoort 2019 by LaSource Images, on FlickrJust get one of these. There is every variant of homologation and race car in that pic:
996.1 GT3 K400
996.2 GT3
996.2 GT3 K410
996.2 Manthey special (K410 plus more from Manthey catalog plus shorter gearbox)
996.2 GT3 RS
996 Cup car
...I guess it is missing a 996 RSR race car
braddo said:
ttdan said:
PASM plus a DSC controller isn’t a bad half way house. In fact I’d say it a bit have your cake and eat it as you can go way stiffer on track and way softer on road. I’d recommend anyone trying one before you bin or worry about the stk suspension. Certainly for a road car. It’s a bit like “HI Def “ PASM.
If a DSC controller could be programmed to fix the dampers to two given settings (basically making them passive dampers) that would be perfect. I have found having switchable suspension useful but the active part (dampers constantly operating over a range of stiffness) less so, having learned from the good folk on this forum about how that affects the car's predictability at the limits on track.I enjoy these threads for how they flush out owners' experiences (with one notable exception
).LaSource said:
Just get one of these. There is every variant of homologation and race car in that pic:
996.1 GT3 K400
996.2 GT3
996.2 GT3 K410
996.2 Manthey special (K410 plus more from Manthey catalog plus shorter gearbox)
996.2 GT3 RS
996 Cup car
...I guess it is missing a 996 RSR race car
Pedant alert - GT3 R and GT3 RS race cars that preceded the RSR as well. 996.1 GT3 K400
996.2 GT3
996.2 GT3 K410
996.2 Manthey special (K410 plus more from Manthey catalog plus shorter gearbox)
996.2 GT3 RS
996 Cup car
...I guess it is missing a 996 RSR race car
Hunter here has one iirc.
ttdan said:
braddo said:
ttdan said:
PASM plus a DSC controller isn’t a bad half way house. In fact I’d say it a bit have your cake and eat it as you can go way stiffer on track and way softer on road. I’d recommend anyone trying one before you bin or worry about the stk suspension. Certainly for a road car. It’s a bit like “HI Def “ PASM.
If a DSC controller could be programmed to fix the dampers to two given settings (basically making them passive dampers) that would be perfect. I have found having switchable suspension useful but the active part (dampers constantly operating over a range of stiffness) less so, having learned from the good folk on this forum about how that affects the car's predictability at the limits on track.I enjoy these threads for how they flush out owners' experiences (with one notable exception
).isaldiri said:
Porsche911R said:
NO myth about gearing
Just remind me again, how much less mph is the fabled manual 991.2gt3 doing at max revs in 2nd and 3rd gear compared to the same in the 6gt3.....?My car is stupid fast over a 996 and I mean night and day fast, slow vs a 765LT these days, but fast vs NA porkers.
The car punches though the gears, and the box is shorter of course and the 9k thing is not really used bar showing people.
pull out a bend in 2nd gear in the 996GT3 you change to 3rd you wait 20 seconds as the car slowly gains speed you get to about 6k and guess what the next bend arrives, you never get to the magic in 3rd gear, most cases you are too fast to drop to 2nd so it stays in 3rd !!!!! VERY frustrating to drive and then a bit dull, when you do find a longer straight the car cannot cope at 120mph with UK bumps. but that's another issue not for your answer.
the 991.2 you pull out a 2nd gear bend, you are changing to 3rd ,4th even, YOU COVER GROUND FASTER IN A SHORTER DISTANCE, yes you are doing daft speeds >120 mph comes up quite often in the 991.2 GT3 140 mph even, if you don't see or want to see those speed sell the car.
I know some have on here as they don't want to see those speed and it's not fun at any speed, again that's some forum myth line !
the point is the cars faster so you get to change gear as the car hits faster speeds between bends, that's involving as you then really do have to brake more due to going so fast, and the torque out of any bend gets the back end moving every single time, it's a fun car to drive.
the 996 you change to 3rd and it's quite slow, you then are just a bit too fast to change back to 2nd , it's very much like the GT4, a leave it in 3rd car !!
totally pointless as a diver to have fun in.
A short final drive would at a guess, (as I have not driven a CUP final drive car) transform it as you might see >6k revs then in 3rd in the UK B roads of joy. And serious owners all on here have fitted one !! funny that !
Cars can be slower and fun if gear right, my Golf CS is fun but I can get to 5th gear on the same bits of road as the gearing is so short in it.
the 996GT3 was frustrating the GT4 a bit dull, both for the same reasons, the difference was the 996GT3 had that magic engine which sadly you don't get to play with for 98% driving !!!
drive a Ferrari and you are knocking up and down the box, INVOLVING for an auto as you are doing some thing !!!
oem GT3 owners and it upsets most when I say it, wear rose tinted specs either that or they just like the idea of owning one and potter about it in showing off.
who knows.
All i know is what I have posted is the real truth about driving the cars and I don't get why others say black is white.
but goto the 981 section, it's the best car ever !! the Carrera T hype and the 981 Spyder hype is just stupid !!!
It's just the GT3 hype has been going on much longer and I get frustrated by the false information or even lies people come out with.
most R owners seem to have come from older GT3 backgrounds and have enjoyed the swap. not all but a lot of R owners.
I still fancy my 997.1 GT3 project one day but letting go of the manual 991.2 GT3 is a very hard thing to do.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 4th March 09:33
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