992 GT3 - Will they be Obtainable?

[caminator11]

Grantstown said:

I don’t think the widespread excitement is really there for the 992 GT3.

In answer to the question, even if this car isn’t easily available as a new build slot, I suspect people who really want one of these won’t need to wait long before there will be a decent choice on the second hand market and at a reasonable price.

Wait till the car is unveiled with AP and reviews start coming out. The rush for a Turbo S is very telling.

[av185]

caminator11 said:

Wait till the car is unveiled with AP and reviews start coming out. The rush for a Turbo S is very telling.

The Turbo S has moved the game on massively from the 991.2 TTs with almost GT Porsche dynamics and is consequently effectively a half price GT2 RS.

Thats why there is a huge demand and waiting list.

[caminator11]

av185 said:

The Turbo S has moved the game on massively from the 991.2 TTs with almost GT Porsche dynamics and is consequently effectively a half price GT2 RS.

Thats why there is a huge demand and waiting list.

Correct.

Similarly, the new GT3 will raise the bar as Porsche have consistently managed to do.

[Porsche911R]

caminator11 said:

av185 said:

The Turbo S has moved the game on massively from the 991.2 TTs with almost GT Porsche dynamics and is consequently effectively a half price GT2 RS.

Thats why there is a huge demand and waiting list.

Correct.

Similarly, the new GT3 will raise the bar as Porsche have consistently managed to do.

very hard to do with regs and this engine. they will post a time with the 992 GT3 but I guess on R spec tyres(the last lot of shots were already on R tyres), not a lot they can do with this layout, engine and platform, with the Turbo S it's easy to throw BHP at it. A few seconds over 14 miles makes no odds, if you want to go faster with your GT3 fit R spec Cups, and TTX shocks. They cannot magic a lap time with a car which weighs more with 20bhp extra.
both gearbox will be the same as the 991.2's so no gains in gearing either.

Power and lap times have hit an end imo cars with 700BHP offer zero now days to the buyer bar turning up at Vmax and doing >200mph

the 765LT is again tyre limited and you don't get the torque in 1st, 2nd 3rd, same with the F8, the computers not letting you have all the power now in the lower gears.

Hi end shocks is the only route, Manthey fit 4 way passives, Merc AMG GT R Pro has proper shocks, the Macca 620R again proper shocks.
Porsche loose out vs all these cars due to crappy PASM and cheap shocks.

fit a set of TTX Ohlins on the 991.2 and go get some lap records.

1.45 dead at Hockenheim GP, that's faster than 720S and Pista etc. 992 Turbo S is 147.8 so way off.
https://youtu.be/jAXkEs3nHlA
I doubt we well see a sub 1.45 from the 992 GT3.

[caminator11]

Porsche911R said:

caminator11 said:

av185 said:

The Turbo S has moved the game on massively from the 991.2 TTs with almost GT Porsche dynamics and is consequently effectively a half price GT2 RS.

Thats why there is a huge demand and waiting list.

Correct.

Similarly, the new GT3 will raise the bar as Porsche have consistently managed to do.

very hard to do with regs and this engine. they will post a time with the 992 GT3 but I guess on R spec tyres(the last lot of shots were already on R tyres), not a lot they can do with this layout, engine and platform, with the Turbo S it's easy to throw BHP at it. A few seconds over 14 miles makes no odds, if you want to go faster with your GT3 fit R spec Cups, and TTX shocks. They cannot magic a lap time with a car which weighs more with 20bhp extra.
both gearbox will be the same as the 991.2's so no gains in gearing either.

Power and lap times have hit an end imo cars with 700BHP offer zero now days to the buyer bar turning up at Vmax and doing >200mph

the 765LT is again tyre limited and you don't get the torque in 1st, 2nd 3rd, same with the F8, the computers not letting you have all the power now in the lower gears.

Hi end shocks is the only route, Manthey fit 4 way passives, Merc AMG GT R Pro has proper shocks, the Macca 620R again proper shocks.
Porsche loose out vs all these cars due to crappy PASM and cheap shocks.

fit a set of TTX Ohlins on the 991.2 and go get some lap records.

1.45 dead at Hockenheim GP, that's faster than 720S and Pista etc. 992 Turbo S is 147.8 so way off.
https://youtu.be/jAXkEs3nHlA
I doubt we well see a sub 1.45 from the 992 GT3.

These cars aren't just about times, they're about engagement.

The only forums in the world talking down the new GT3 before its even been reviewed are ones inhabited by people with a vested interest in the old car. Its tremendously obvious and boring. Perhaps you aren't aware of your own behaviours. I can admit that when the Chris H slated the 765LT I breathed a sign of relief.

Let's wait until we see the car properly unveiled before we st all over it.

Edited by caminator11 on Thursday 1st October 19:54

[Cheib]

av185 said:

caminator11 said:

Wait till the car is unveiled with AP and reviews start coming out. The rush for a Turbo S is very telling.

The Turbo S has moved the game on massively from the 991.2 TTs with almost GT Porsche dynamics and is consequently effectively a half price GT2 RS.

Thats why there is a huge demand and waiting list.

Not sure about 992 but I was told by the GSM at my OPC that on 991.2 they got one car a quarter ? Don’t need many orders to have a long waiting list with so few cars coming through ! Most OPC’s have at least half a dozen customers that will buy a new Turbo S “just because”

[giles panizzi]

[Porsche911R]

caminator11 said:

These cars aren't just about times, they're about engagement.

The only forums in the world talking down the new GT3 before its even been reviewed are ones inhabited by people with a vested interest in the old car. Its tremendously obvious and boring. Perhaps you aren't aware of your own behaviours. I can admit that when the Chris H slated the 765LT I breathed a sign of relief.

Let's wait until we see the car properly unveiled before we st all over it.

Edited by caminator11 on Thursday 1st October 19:54

Not stting on it I said it will be faster ! and if that's your bag buy one.
It's the weight of these cars these days and the regs, Porsche cannot do much, nothing to do with a vested interest I look at what's available and how other manafactures and Manthey get the times and it's with Pro shocks.

The lap times are coming from tyres now for the big gains. But the faster cars are now tyre limited again.

with the 992 GT3 , unlike the turbo S they cannot throw 100 bhp at it, Porsche are great at adding 20bhp, but this time round due to weights they had to up the BHP more than normal plus on paper vs other cars it was lacking in the BHP race.

992 will add a tech pack if that's your bag but don't expect 992 Turbo S increases from 991.2 GT3 to 992 GT3 as it will use the same engine and the same gearbox's.

Not sure why Topgear slated the 765LT where every one else likes it, very odd, the only 2 haters were both TOP gear reporters !

we need to see lighter cars for them to be engaging and screw the bhp and tech race.

much more interested in the GT4 RS specs, not the 992 GT3's

[NIgt3]

Porsche911R said:

caminator11 said:

These cars aren't just about times, they're about engagement.

The only forums in the world talking down the new GT3 before its even been reviewed are ones inhabited by people with a vested interest in the old car. Its tremendously obvious and boring. Perhaps you aren't aware of your own behaviours. I can admit that when the Chris H slated the 765LT I breathed a sign of relief.

Let's wait until we see the car properly unveiled before we st all over it.

Edited by caminator11 on Thursday 1st October 19:54

Not stting on it I said it will be faster ! and if that's your bag buy one.
It's the weight of these cars these days and the regs, Porsche cannot do much, nothing to do with a vested interest I look at what's available and how other manafactures and Manthey get the times and it's with Pro shocks.

The lap times are coming from tyres now for the big gains. But the faster cars are now tyre limited again.

with the 992 GT3 , unlike the turbo S they cannot throw 100 bhp at it, Porsche are great at adding 20bhp, but this time round due to weights they had to up the BHP more than normal plus on paper vs other cars it was lacking in the BHP race.

992 will add a tech pack if that's your bag but don't expect 992 Turbo S increases from 991.2 GT3 to 992 GT3 as it will use the same engine and the same gearbox's.

Not sure why Topgear slated the 765LT where every one else likes it, very odd, the only 2 haters were both TOP gear reporters !

we need to see lighter cars for them to be engaging and screw the bhp and tech race.

much more interested in the GT4 RS specs, not the 992 GT3's

Have to say I agree. Proper shocks even just 2way dampers can make a difference from the standard Suspension, and also tyres.

[av185]

Cheib said:

av185 said:

caminator11 said:

Wait till the car is unveiled with AP and reviews start coming out. The rush for a Turbo S is very telling.

The Turbo S has moved the game on massively from the 991.2 TTs with almost GT Porsche dynamics and is consequently effectively a half price GT2 RS.

Thats why there is a huge demand and waiting list.

Not sure about 992 but I was told by the GSM at my OPC that on 991.2 they got one car a quarter ? Don’t need many orders to have a long waiting list with so few cars coming through ! Most OPC’s have at least half a dozen customers that will buy a new Turbo S “just because”

Yep C Porsche have cut back on production hugely for the 992 TTs hence the waiting list mine may not arrive until September. Be rarer than a GT lol.

Interesting how things change my first Turbo S a 997 in 2012 I bought at 300 miles top spec black and 8 months old from Porsche Finance for £92k list new was £148k they used to drop like a Mclaren ££.

[Cheib]

av185 said:

Cheib said:

av185 said:

caminator11 said:

Wait till the car is unveiled with AP and reviews start coming out. The rush for a Turbo S is very telling.

The Turbo S has moved the game on massively from the 991.2 TTs with almost GT Porsche dynamics and is consequently effectively a half price GT2 RS.

Thats why there is a huge demand and waiting list.

Not sure about 992 but I was told by the GSM at my OPC that on 991.2 they got one car a quarter ? Don’t need many orders to have a long waiting list with so few cars coming through ! Most OPC’s have at least half a dozen customers that will buy a new Turbo S “just because”

Yep C Porsche have cut back on production hugely for the 992 TTs hence the waiting list mine may not arrive until September. Be rarer than a GT lol.

Interesting how things change my first Turbo S a 997 in 2012 I bought at 300 miles top spec black and 8 months old from Porsche Finance for £92k list new was £148k they used to drop like a Mclaren ££.

A 997.2 Turbo S could be specced to £148k !!! What were they base spec ? I can’t remember

[av185]

Cheib said:

A 997.2 Turbo S could be specced to £148k !!! What were they base spec ? I can’t remember

Seem to remember they were c £125k basic.

[isaldiri]

Cheib said:

A 997.2 Turbo S could be specced to £148k !!! What were they base spec ? I can’t remember

Given a heap of stuff like ceramic brakes were standard it seems rather implausible one could add £25k of options to the car......

[MeisterH]

I currently have a 992 TurboS.. all the above sentiments stand true, great, great car. Having taken on a Silverstone track day though, the weight really does show, plus the horrendous tyres,.! So a set of cup2 needed... not overly sure if they make a set yet?

[lowndes]

Cheib said:

A 997.2 Turbo S could be specced to £148k !!! What were they base spec ? I can’t remember

£120,112.98 including VAT for base car in July 2010. Modest discount was available from OPC, so under £125k OTR for a nice car.

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

Yep C Porsche have cut back on production hugely for the 992 TTs hence the waiting list mine may not arrive until September. Be rarer than a GT lol.

Interesting how things change my first Turbo S a 997 in 2012 I bought at 300 miles top spec black and 8 months old from Porsche Finance for £92k list new was £148k they used to drop like a Mclaren ££.

you can buy a 991.2 turbo S for £100k now so they still drop pretty fast.

[caminator11]

Porsche911R said:

caminator11 said:

These cars aren't just about times, they're about engagement.

The only forums in the world talking down the new GT3 before its even been reviewed are ones inhabited by people with a vested interest in the old car. Its tremendously obvious and boring. Perhaps you aren't aware of your own behaviours. I can admit that when the Chris H slated the 765LT I breathed a sign of relief.

Let's wait until we see the car properly unveiled before we st all over it.

Edited by caminator11 on Thursday 1st October 19:54

Not stting on it I said it will be faster ! and if that's your bag buy one.
It's the weight of these cars these days and the regs, Porsche cannot do much, nothing to do with a vested interest I look at what's available and how other manafactures and Manthey get the times and it's with Pro shocks.

The lap times are coming from tyres now for the big gains. But the faster cars are now tyre limited again.

with the 992 GT3 , unlike the turbo S they cannot throw 100 bhp at it, Porsche are great at adding 20bhp, but this time round due to weights they had to up the BHP more than normal plus on paper vs other cars it was lacking in the BHP race.

992 will add a tech pack if that's your bag but don't expect 992 Turbo S increases from 991.2 GT3 to 992 GT3 as it will use the same engine and the same gearbox's.

Not sure why Topgear slated the 765LT where every one else likes it, very odd, the only 2 haters were both TOP gear reporters !

we need to see lighter cars for them to be engaging and screw the bhp and tech race.

much more interested in the GT4 RS specs, not the 992 GT3's

Will concede that weight is very hard to hide.

I'll continue to be optimistic until I see the car unveiled

[isaldiri]

caminator11 said:

Will concede that weight is very hard to hide.

It's not as if the 991 gt cars are lightweights either.... It's not as if the 992 gt3 is going to have to overcome a 100kg disadvantage - I'd be surprised assuming similar specs it's more than 30-40kg if that tbh and that's simply not significant for a car that's nearly 1500kg.

[Cheib]

isaldiri said:

caminator11 said:

Will concede that weight is very hard to hide.

It's not as if the 991 gt cars are lightweights either.... It's not as if the 992 gt3 is going to have to overcome a 100kg disadvantage - I'd be surprised assuming similar specs it's more than 30-40kg if that tbh and that's simply not significant for a car that's nearly 1500kg.

Agree although the marketing people would tell you it is if they’re stripping weight out of a car ! Think the new Macca 765 LT is 50kg lighter than the 720’s (once you’ve deleted aircon)

If it is only say 30 bhp and say a 30 kg weight increase that would be a pretty small difference compared to the difference in weight/power across 996/997/991. I think 991.2 is something like 50kg heavier than 996.2 but 125 bhp more powerful with 997 somewhere in the middle.

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

It's not as if the 991 gt cars are lightweights either.... It's not as if the 992 gt3 is going to have to overcome a 100kg disadvantage - I'd be surprised assuming similar specs it's more than 30-40kg if that tbh and that's simply not significant for a car that's nearly 1500kg.

Light vs a new M3, in fact the 991.2 Manual GT3 is pretty light in today’s market.
I put money on the new car being more than 30kg more.
But it's bhp will mean lower bhp/ton !

Turbo S not an issue they thrown BHP at it.