992 GT3 - Will they be Obtainable?

[ChrisW.]

Thanks David

If people (and Porsche) didn't worry so much about modifying, seats can be changed ... but the more electronics there are the harder this becomes.

My leaf green would severely limit the market but I still love it.

Manual or PDK ? On track PDK is a real plus .. I chose PDK for my Peridot Green Cayman R and never regretted it. PDK to work and manual home ... nice.

I won't take the car out unless I can do 20 miles ... and warm up times and a lift option are good points ... though I still have my original front lip and they are easily replaced ...

A good chat !

[Porsche911R]

GT4RS said:

I have to agree, can the market take another big batch of new GT cars. A nice low miles 991.2 gt3 can now be bought at 119k retail and that’s before the new 992 gt3 lands, trade bids must be around 15k to 10k below this given the current climate. There will be a fair few who want to move up to the newer 992 gt3, meaning the used GT cat market is only going to get more saturated with used cars and will these owners px there cars for low trade bids when historically a owner could of got out for wait they paid retail 3 years earlier.

It wouldn’t shock me if we see 800 plus 992 gt3 cars, plus a big batch of 992 gt3 rs cars.

The new cars could well get the wrong buyers as GT3 did 10 years ago, the buyer who buys in the morning and brings it back in the afternoon lol.
New GT3 is more hardcore it seems than the outgoing RS.

If you want to use a Gt car as a fast road car with a bit of touring, the 991.2 will I think be the better car for a bigger % people.

Added rose joints , thin glass and less carpet to a car which already makes your ears bleed is going to annoy many partners lol

The 991.2 GT3 with normal glass and rubber all round 100% could be the last usable road going Gt ! Unless you drive with ear plugs !

To make the 992 GT3 this focused I find a odd move, the RS was the track focused car, the GT3 the car for the road you can track !
Porsche have removed this and made it a track car !
That leads me to think the 992 RS will be the 4.2 as the standard car already has all the RS parts now.

Imo the manual 991.2 GT3 will be the iconic model, you can tell it when you drive it, and it was the return of the manual and no engine regs to worry about or OPF's etc. And really very little driver aids to get in the way, still with a real diff etc.

Just by chance I have one, as you don’t know till you buy these things, very few Porkers make iconic status. I called it with the 987.2 Spyder 10 years back and I put my neck out on the manual 991.2 GT3 now.

If you are a track RAT the 992 will be killer and the car to own ofcourse . But very few really track these cars in the Uk. Most want a focused fun car for weekends and euro hoons, or UK black mountain or n500 trips, the 992 might now not be this car, time will tell if Porsche have taken the road fun out of it.
I can tell you this after owning 80+ cars, the manual 991.2 GT3 is pretty perfect and I rarely state that on my car history. I don’t drive it and think “it needs this” like I do with every other model I have owned. Very very special car. And the rare times I will track it I will happy let the 992's pass by. It will be a track monster.

[Porsche911R]

ChrisW. said:

Thanks David

If people (and Porsche) didn't worry so much about modifying, seats can be changed ... but the more electronics there are the harder this becomes.

My leaf green would severely limit the market but I still love it.

Manual or PDK ? On track PDK is a real plus .. I chose PDK for my Peridot Green Cayman R and never regretted it. PDK to work and manual home ... nice.

I won't take the car out unless I can do 20 miles ... and warm up times and a lift option are good points ... though I still have my original front lip and they are easily replaced ...

A good chat !

As you may have read I am looking at a 997 GT3 (end next year now) , and I will prob buy a comfort ! as it will be a project and a couple of things have pulled me to this,
1: comforts are minter cars when I have viewed as they in the main have not been tracked and after 13 years use this now shows with better paint and overall condition.

2: they are a lot cheaper ! This gives me a lot of money to buy some top end carbon racing seats and still be £10k in pocket. To go towards a build project.

I still think the Little Cayman R is a true great for UK use.
£40k really does get you all the fun car you will ever need and don't want the classic hassle these bring on upkeep if you only have a single garage you cannot work on you car.

I plan to track my GT3 in 2021 more, so will payback the many passenger laps :-) , your GT4 with your mods still amazes me what can be done to these cars with choice mods.

[Cheib]

GT4RS said:

Cheib said:

ChrisW. said:

The series production for GT3's used to be around 250 and the equivalent 'RS about 130 ... are there real genuine driver enthusiasts for all the GT3's that are now in the market ?

I don’t think there are. When 991.2 GT3 was launched the 991.1 was still above list...so by definition the market is in more of a state of equilibrium. Add another 600 plus cars ?

Also worth remembering that 991.2 GT3 RS and GT2 RS were delivered in smaller numbers here than they would have been because the factory stopped making EU cars after the Spring of 2018 GT3 RS would be below list in my opinion if we got our normal quota and GT2 RS are below list in the US. I know there was a second batch of GT3 RS later in the year but there are still less 991.2 GT3 RS than 991.1 GT3 RS in this country.

My guess is we’ll get over 1000 992 GT cars across GT3 and GT3 RS. Could quite possibly see 991.2 GT 3 £20k lowerr on the used market in a year.

I have to agree, can the market take another big batch of new GT cars. A nice low miles 991.2 gt3 can now be bought at 119k retail and that’s before the new 992 gt3 lands, trade bids must be around 15k to 10k below this given the current climate. There will be a fair few who want to move up to the newer 992 gt3, meaning the used GT cat market is only going to get more saturated with used cars and will these owners px there cars for low trade bids when historically a owner could of got out for wait they paid retail 3 years earlier.

It wouldn’t shock me if we see 800 plus 992 gt3 cars, plus a big batch of 992 gt3 rs cars.

The good thing about this we could finally see the end of premiums...don’t think they will be big or last very long. 991.2 GT3 got to £180k at the peak...about £20k less than the previous gen RS at the time. I don’t think a 992 GT3 can be at a premium to the 991.2 RS so with those at £180k and expected list at £140k plus for good spec there’s not going to be much in it for long...given dealers will want £10k for their trouble.

[MeisterH]

That leads me to think the 992 RS will be the 4.2 as the standard car already has all the RS parts now


Agree. Plus.... my shout.... 'you may hold me to this'.... will have a mild Hybrid.

Current 992 TurboS is 991.2 Suspension levels of comfort with the 10mm Suspension spec'd. Have to say after watching the latest Mule fly around doubt any Manufacturer will get close to 992 3RS time, looks like its on rails

Exciting times ahead for sure, we all need a new GT3 and some!

[Porsche911R]

Cheib said:

The good thing about this we could finally see the end of premiums...don’t think they will be big or last very long. 991.2 GT3 got to £180k at the peak...about £20k less than the previous gen RS at the time. I don’t think a 992 GT3 can be at a premium to the 991.2 RS so with those at £180k and expected list at £140k plus for good spec there’s not going to be much in it for long...given dealers will want £10k for their trouble.

I would rather own the new 992 GT3 PDK over the old RS.
This time the choice is massive that’s all, you buy the right car for the intended use. tracking a 992 GT3 is going to make you feel the bomb, and also pay you back in theory in tyre wear with that multilink front end, and the end to mid corner understeer as it should load up the camber this time in the right way.
Then on the straights you will be flashing over the Rs's at 140mph.

The overs imo will be big on the 992 as always. All it will do is drop 991.2 RS prices a bit. The .1 RS markets been dead for months.
Top555 had their's for over a year and just keeping dropping the price but to late. And the .2 RS at list were much better sellers and car, Infact been selling very well of late at £160k making the RS WP cars look stupid prices and now out of date for track use.
Surly PDK will be the 992 box of Choice now Porsche have changed the focus of the car.
The touring a strange one with the changed focus, unless they remove the track aspects of the winged car.

[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

Cheib said:

The good thing about this we could finally see the end of premiums...don’t think they will be big or last very long. 991.2 GT3 got to £180k at the peak...about £20k less than the previous gen RS at the time. I don’t think a 992 GT3 can be at a premium to the 991.2 RS so with those at £180k and expected list at £140k plus for good spec there’s not going to be much in it for long...given dealers will want £10k for their trouble.

I would rather own the new 992 GT3 PDK over the old RS.
This time the choice is massive that’s all, you buy the right car for the intended use. tracking a 992 GT3 is going to make you feel the bomb, and also pay you back in theory in tyre wear with that multilink front end, and the end to mid corner understeer as it should load up the camber this time in the right way.
Then on the straights you will be flashing over the Rs's at 140mph.

The overs imo will be big on the 992 as always. All it will do is drop 991.2 RS prices a bit. The .1 RS markets been dead for months.
Top555 had their's for over a year and just keeping dropping the price but to late. And the .2 RS at list were much better sellers and car, Infact been selling very well of late at £160k making the RS WP cars look stupid prices and now out of date for track use.
Surly PDK will be the 992 box of Choice now Porsche have changed the focus of the car.
The touring a strange one with the changed focus, unless they remove the track aspects of the winged car.

R what a prize tit you are,the drivel lives on.
Iconic gt3
Rare man gt3
No mid corner understeer in the supermarket car park now with wishbones
Rswp looks stupid and out of date
We all look forward to you flying by wprs some time soon
You keep harping on about values and price drops etc,maybe you cant really afford these cars ,to pay so much attention to markets instead of driving them as per model intended use.
Just saying!

[MDL111]

Modern road car from Porsche and drive with earplugs in the same paragraph - now you really lost me. Especially in the UK where it seems most people try to make their cars louder by deleting various exhaust components as they don’t track them anyway (my assumption given noise limits on most trackdays)

[ChrisW.]

I would like to think if the market for new turns down enough, that real Porsche enthusiasts may again have a normal relationship with their OPC ... rather than one based on whether you have bought enough cars from them in the last three years.

When enough is a serious number who other than speculators can normally do that ?

Last time I asked my OPC about GT4RS he wanted to talk about Tacan (I was an early adopter of the BMW i3 in May 2014).

When there are still serious charging issues ... you would need to have a lot of spare time not to suffer range anxiety.

And in tier 3 with hotels closed, that could be even less fun.

[MeisterH]

Yellow491 said:

R what a prize tit you are,the drivel lives on.
Iconic gt3
Rare man gt3
No mid corner understeer in the supermarket car park now with wishbones
Rswp looks stupid and out of date
We all look forward to you flying by wprs some time soon
You keep harping on about values and price drops etc,maybe you cant really afford these cars ,to pay so much attention to markets instead of driving them as per model intended use.
Just saying!

DONT bite.

Its his opinion, read it or not, and move on, it does not required Belligerence...

Been thinking about the interior actually, was hoping for a change of full bucket seat however, by the looks of it they have Broadened the shoulders, and in fact i should of already known they would not change the full buckets as the next ' P Hypercar' will no doubt have the new full buckets to drip feed into the line up.

I am really excited for this car, as i have said in other posts in Shark blue not my bag, I'm a GT silver guy so will hope to see it on the paint Swatch.

[ChrisW.]

Porsche911R said:

As you may have read I am looking at a 997 GT3 (end next year now) , and I will prob buy a comfort ! as it will be a project and a couple of things have pulled me to this,
1: comforts are minter cars when I have viewed as they in the main have not been tracked and after 13 years use this now shows with better paint and overall condition.

2: they are a lot cheaper ! This gives me a lot of money to buy some top end carbon racing seats and still be £10k in pocket. To go towards a build project.

I still think the Little Cayman R is a true great for UK use.
£40k really does get you all the fun car you will ever need and don't want the classic hassle these bring on upkeep if you only have a single garage you cannot work on you car.

I plan to track my GT3 in 2021 more, so will payback the many passenger laps :-) , your GT4 with your mods still amazes me what can be done to these cars with choice mods.

There is no doubt that the Cayman R is a car far greater than the sum of it's parts. As an indication I think my GT4 now stands me in at around £110k ... but it's 5 years old and I have around £15k in spare parts ... low mileage PCCB's / full set of standard dampers and suspension arms ... standard exhaust system with cats ... standard throttle body etc etc.

I'd like to brand it Manthey and apparently it can be done with their blessing, but only if I were to take the ST brakes off it ... so that's not going to happen.

I am sure if I ever come to sell it (see tease to Porsche about the GT4 RS) we could have a very good conversation about what my respectfully tracked and massively over serviced non-standard car might be worth !

Intriguingly, if I could be sold a GT4RS, it would have to be PDK

[GT4RS]

MDL111 said:

Modern road car from Porsche and drive with earplugs in the same paragraph - now you really lost me. Especially in the UK where it seems most people try to make their cars louder by deleting various exhaust components as they don’t track them anyway (my assumption given noise limits on most trackdays)

I recently sold my Tvr Cerbera v8, now that was a car you needed ear plugs in!

After a hour of driving you had to get out just to sort the ear drums out, zero driver aids on that one!

[MDL111]

GT4RS said:

MDL111 said:

Modern road car from Porsche and drive with earplugs in the same paragraph - now you really lost me. Especially in the UK where it seems most people try to make their cars louder by deleting various exhaust components as they don’t track them anyway (my assumption given noise limits on most trackdays)

I recently sold my Tvr Cerbera v8, now that was a car you needed ear plugs in!

After a hour of driving you had to get out just to sort the ear drums out, zero driver aids on that one!

I can believe that

[isaldiri]

MeisterH said:

That leads me to think the 992 RS will be the 4.2 as the standard car already has all the RS parts now


Agree. Plus.... my shout.... 'you may hold me to this'.... will have a mild Hybrid.

4.2 for the RS is likely I agree but not hybrid. Perhaps the next one ie 992.2 but not imo the upcoming 992rs.

[NIgt3]

Porsche911R said:

GT4RS said:

I have to agree, can the market take another big batch of new GT cars. A nice low miles 991.2 gt3 can now be bought at 119k retail and that’s before the new 992 gt3 lands, trade bids must be around 15k to 10k below this given the current climate. There will be a fair few who want to move up to the newer 992 gt3, meaning the used GT cat market is only going to get more saturated with used cars and will these owners px there cars for low trade bids when historically a owner could of got out for wait they paid retail 3 years earlier.

It wouldn’t shock me if we see 800 plus 992 gt3 cars, plus a big batch of 992 gt3 rs cars.

The new cars could well get the wrong buyers as GT3 did 10 years ago, the buyer who buys in the morning and brings it back in the afternoon lol.
New GT3 is more hardcore it seems than the outgoing RS.

If you want to use a Gt car as a fast road car with a bit of touring, the 991.2 will I think be the better car for a bigger % people.

Added rose joints , thin glass and less carpet to a car which already makes your ears bleed is going to annoy many partners lol

The 991.2 GT3 with normal glass and rubber all round 100% could be the last usable road going Gt ! Unless you drive with ear plugs !

To make the 992 GT3 this focused I find a odd move, the RS was the track focused car, the GT3 the car for the road you can track !
Porsche have removed this and made it a track car !
That leads me to think the 992 RS will be the 4.2 as the standard car already has all the RS parts now.

Imo the manual 991.2 GT3 will be the iconic model, you can tell it when you drive it, and it was the return of the manual and no engine regs to worry about or OPF's etc. And really very little driver aids to get in the way, still with a real diff etc.

Just by chance I have one, as you don’t know till you buy these things, very few Porkers make iconic status. I called it with the 987.2 Spyder 10 years back and I put my neck out on the manual 991.2 GT3 now.

If you are a track RAT the 992 will be killer and the car to own ofcourse . But very few really track these cars in the Uk. Most want a focused fun car for weekends and euro hoons, or UK black mountain or n500 trips, the 992 might now not be this car, time will tell if Porsche have taken the road fun out of it.
I can tell you this after owning 80+ cars, the manual 991.2 GT3 is pretty perfect and I rarely state that on my car history. I don’t drive it and think “it needs this” like I do with every other model I have owned. Very very special car. And the rare times I will track it I will happy let the 992's pass by. It will be a track monster.

I think as a pure drivers car the RWS of the 991.2gt3’s let’s it down.

[hunter 66]

Seems to help doing a 3 point turn on the King's road ... I like that

[hunter 66]

David always spec all my GT cars in comfort spec ....... really do not like having a cage in a road car , not just that it looks naff but it also looks too busy back there . Each to his own

[MrVert]

hunter 66 said:

David always spec all my GT cars in comfort spec ....... really do not like having a cage in a road car , not just that it looks naff but it also looks too busy back there . Each to his own

Also a tad dangerous for a daily...without a helmet etc...

[Nuttcase]

MrVert said:

Also a tad dangerous for a daily...without a helmet etc...

Why?

[Melvynr]

NIgt3 said:

I think as a pure drivers car the RWS of the 991.2gt3’s let’s it down.

In what way?. I don't want to understeer at 130mph on a public highway. Its a road car, and a fabulous one at that, I swore I'd never buy another P car again after my exploits with the 997CS..2 is the most expensive car I've owned, but its the best as well.