992 GT3 - Will they be Obtainable?
Discussion
NIgt3 said:
I think as a pure drivers car the RWS of the 991.2gt3’s let’s it down.
The 991.1 GT3 had rws too. Fwiw I’ve got it on the 991.2GTS and I’ve driven one with and without. And for me, having it makes the car more drivable not less.
On my phone so can’t do a double quote -
“ Also a tad dangerous for a daily...without a helmet etc”
You’re assuming a full cage? The rear cage Is miles away from your head.
Cheib said:
Out of interest why do you say that ? Feels much better integrated to me that it does on other Porsche’s I’ve tried with it.
I've had quite a few Porsches with RAS and still undecided on whether its a good or bad thing. I loved it on my 991.2GTS as it transformed the car and all in a positive way.The part about RAS i dislike is between 30-50mph where the car's computer shuffles between the two modes. This is all well and good in the dry but when pushing on in the wet and the back steps out i find the GT3/RS gets confused in which direction the rear wheels wants to point causing a strange sensation. The one caveat is this only happens between 30-50mph in very slippery conditions.
Phooey said:
I think the comfort seats vs buckets is a done to death subject. There's no doubt a higher percentage of used-car buyers wanting the buckets, but there's still a healthy market of buyers not wanting them, and then a slightly smaller market of buyers not really giving a toss either way. My 2p and experience - buckets do add a bit more drama to the package, look cool and give the best chance of getting most money back come resale, but comfort seats are more comfortable and easier to live with - obviously. Buckets are a fashion accessory if you're not harnessing yourself in and using the car as it was intended. Nowt wrong with either choice, but don't diss the sensible person that wants the 'comfort' of a proper seat.
This. Edited by Phooey on Saturday 28th November 22:42
Can that be the final word on the matter. And can the bloke who specced his GT3 for track use / resale, but never drives on track despite rose jointing the suspension etc now shut up on the subject. Thank you.
Taffy66 said:
Cheib said:
Out of interest why do you say that ? Feels much better integrated to me that it does on other Porsche’s I’ve tried with it.
I've had quite a few Porsches with RAS and still undecided on whether its a good or bad thing. I loved it on my 991.2GTS as it transformed the car and all in a positive way.The part about RAS i dislike is between 30-50mph where the car's computer shuffles between the two modes. This is all well and good in the dry but when pushing on in the wet and the back steps out i find the GT3/RS gets confused in which direction the rear wheels wants to point causing a strange sensation. The one caveat is this only happens between 30-50mph in very slippery conditions.
NIgt3 said:
I think for a track car it’s not needed, plus not sure of the weight but it bound to add 10kg or more. Only drove one on track, maybe on the road/around town it has its uses (not sure if it does) but for me it’s a gimmick and not needed.
Got to say i used to think the same until i drove one on some local b roads i know well with a mate behind in the same car,we were left in awe of the grip and how nimble the car is,infact the best 911 i have had on these roads and nearly as good as the 675 lt.Its more fun on a b road than the track dare i say it.jcosh said:
ChrisW. said:
And then there is the GT4 (a much more practical car than any GT3 as a daily) ...
This! Not only more practical but has performance far better suited to road use when compared to the three. 1: the performance cannot be enjoyed due to 85 mph in 2nd and then not enough power to get you though 3rd on normal B roads, if you drove one hard you would understand that, seeing high revs in 3rd is pretty impossible, this is the case for most GT cars.
2: Less space than the GT3 for luggage. As a GT3 with folding seats you have a ton of room vs the small rear GT4 boot.
3: No lift on the GT4, so really no multi story car park use.
4: low MPG on the GT4
5: Very long warm up times on the GT4.
6: No Apple car play and outstated nav system.
7: In the main 918 seats which are not heated vs heated folding buckets you you speced them :-) also aids that luggage access issue.
8: less torque than the GT3
9: the GT3 has a reverse camera :-) (I forget if the GT4 had one but cannot remember it, the 718 does though)
all these things make a GT4 less practical and only option 7 was a choice? Nothing on the GT3 makes it less Practical ? but every thing listed makes a GT3 a LOT more practical.
you could dyno mat the rear and doors and fit PS4S tyres and have a car you could daily and enjoy, If I had a touring these 2 things would be top on any mod list over any thing, although as a daily you cannot really beat a engine with a turbo as at 50 it's nice to have Torques. And then you have a car at the weekends which is a lot different to drive for fun so will enjoy a lot more and will feel a lot more special. Hi reving engines in traffic is a bit pointless.
718 GT4 perhaps SLIGHTLY more clearance between the ground and the front splitter compared to 981 GT4 which appears more prone to scraping imo.
Both the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 having the lower plastic front brake cooling ducts means these effectively reduce the front clearance of the GT3 v the 718 GT4 but these are cheap to replace ££ and GT3 front lift means generally no problem for day to day driving.
Both the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 having the lower plastic front brake cooling ducts means these effectively reduce the front clearance of the GT3 v the 718 GT4 but these are cheap to replace ££ and GT3 front lift means generally no problem for day to day driving.
av185 said:
718 GT4 perhaps SLIGHTLY more clearance between the ground and the front splitter compared to 981 GT4 which appears more prone to scraping imo.
Both the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 having the lower plastic front brake cooling ducts means these effectively reduce the front clearance of the GT3 v the 718 GT4 but these are cheap to replace ££ and GT3 front lift means generally no problem for day to day driving.
I have taken my GT3 many places the GT4 would not go. and I can get it off my drive without a scrape , my GT4 did scrape the splitter.Both the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 having the lower plastic front brake cooling ducts means these effectively reduce the front clearance of the GT3 v the 718 GT4 but these are cheap to replace ££ and GT3 front lift means generally no problem for day to day driving.
I still say none of these cars are true dailies, but the GT3 def makes a better one than any GT4 for the reasons stated, the 718 GT4 does add Apple car play, reverse camera's and that low down torque which helps over the 981 daily duty.
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I have taken my GT3 many places the GT4 would not go. and I can get it off my drive without a scrape , my GT4 did scrape the splitter.
I still say none of these cars are true dailies, but the GT3 def makes a better one than any GT4 for the reasons stated,
Got to agree with David on this one. My GT4 couldn't get in my garage as the splitter was too low. Scraped every time I pulled off the driveway and had issues in every multi-storey car park I visited. In the end I got used to it scraping although you always got shocked looks from passers by.
My GT3 had lift, but even without it could handle most of those issues as the front overhang seems less.
I have taken my GT3 many places the GT4 would not go. and I can get it off my drive without a scrape , my GT4 did scrape the splitter.
I still say none of these cars are true dailies, but the GT3 def makes a better one than any GT4 for the reasons stated,
Got to agree with David on this one. My GT4 couldn't get in my garage as the splitter was too low. Scraped every time I pulled off the driveway and had issues in every multi-storey car park I visited. In the end I got used to it scraping although you always got shocked looks from passers by.
My GT3 had lift, but even without it could handle most of those issues as the front overhang seems less.
Geneve said:
IMI A said:
Geneva are you the guy that’s had virtually every 911 since launch?
No.But I have have had a new one every 3 years since the mid-80s. So, two 3.2s, two 964s, two 993s, two 996s, two 997s and two 991s (alongside some long term classics).
In the early years, I used 911s as my only everyday car, doing c.15k mls pa.
Whilst there is no question that each new generation has been an improvement over the last, I do feel that the 992 is now unrecognisable as the the ‘911’ I grew up loving and enjoying.
There’s no question the GT3 Touring was a lovely car.
Slightly wasted on me though.
I prefer a 911 that rewards at sensible speeds (still have my ‘89 3.2). And, on U.K. roads I could feel the Touring’s sporting compromises.
Also, at the time, with a value of £200k, I was less comfortable using it the way I had planned.
Mind you, my kids (son, 23 and daughter 21, who is a pro-race driver), loved it though - especially wringing the engine to 9k rpm, but even they agreed that they’d lose their licences if they used it regularly.
My solution could be a 991’T’ - drove one back-to-back with the Touring and a lot to like - more accessible, nicely delivered, performance, bit more comfort, clean narrow-bodied lines, slightly old-skool character, and half the price.
Slightly wasted on me though.
I prefer a 911 that rewards at sensible speeds (still have my ‘89 3.2). And, on U.K. roads I could feel the Touring’s sporting compromises.
Also, at the time, with a value of £200k, I was less comfortable using it the way I had planned.
Mind you, my kids (son, 23 and daughter 21, who is a pro-race driver), loved it though - especially wringing the engine to 9k rpm, but even they agreed that they’d lose their licences if they used it regularly.
My solution could be a 991’T’ - drove one back-to-back with the Touring and a lot to like - more accessible, nicely delivered, performance, bit more comfort, clean narrow-bodied lines, slightly old-skool character, and half the price.
Geneve said:
My solution could be a 991’T’ - drove one back-to-back with the Touring and a lot to like - more accessible, nicely delivered, performance, bit more comfort, clean narrow-bodied lines, slightly old-skool character, and half the price.
I'm thinking of moving from my T to a GT3 (probably 997.2) yet so many people seem to be looking to move into a T I do wonder whether I'd be doing the right thingGeneve said:
There’s no question the GT3 Touring was a lovely car.
Slightly wasted on me though.
I prefer a 911 that rewards at sensible speeds (still have my ‘89 3.2). And, on U.K. roads I could feel the Touring’s sporting compromises.
Also, at the time, with a value of £200k, I was less comfortable using it the way I had planned.
Mind you, my kids (son, 23 and daughter 21, who is a pro-race driver), loved it though - especially wringing the engine to 9k rpm, but even they agreed that they’d lose their licences if they used it regularly.
My solution could be a 991’T’ - drove one back-to-back with the Touring and a lot to like - more accessible, nicely delivered, performance, bit more comfort, clean narrow-bodied lines, slightly old-skool character, and half the price.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Biggest car regret was selling my T. It was a perfect car for the road and compared to a GT3 felt so much lighter and nimble and doesn't need RWS. However, I don't regret getting the GT3 but I should have held onto my T. You really do feel the size difference too and its characterful engine really reminded me of my 997.1. I loved all of its sounds so much I never ever had the radio on. Slightly wasted on me though.
I prefer a 911 that rewards at sensible speeds (still have my ‘89 3.2). And, on U.K. roads I could feel the Touring’s sporting compromises.
Also, at the time, with a value of £200k, I was less comfortable using it the way I had planned.
Mind you, my kids (son, 23 and daughter 21, who is a pro-race driver), loved it though - especially wringing the engine to 9k rpm, but even they agreed that they’d lose their licences if they used it regularly.
My solution could be a 991’T’ - drove one back-to-back with the Touring and a lot to like - more accessible, nicely delivered, performance, bit more comfort, clean narrow-bodied lines, slightly old-skool character, and half the price.
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