997 GTS manual... would you?
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About to bite the bullet. Seems to be a great blend of usable and desirable. Manual cars carry a big premium, is it worth it and does everyone here believe they will still be sought after? 60-70 seems to be the market for a clean, manual carerra 2 GTS.
Should I spend a bit more for a 991? It’s a weekend car for me and occasionally the kids
Any input from owners greatly appreciated
Should I spend a bit more for a 991? It’s a weekend car for me and occasionally the kids
Any input from owners greatly appreciated
Seems a big premium for 22 bhp - or am I missing something? I bought a manual 997.2 C4S with factory LSD, Short Shift, PASM, PSE etc etc for £40k recently. I’d love a GTS but what really are you getting for £30k or 40k extra over an S? I Love mine but feels ‘old’ and is never use it as a daily. If I wanted it for a daily I’d have the 991 S instead but hard to find in manual. Suspect even more so with the GTS.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
This is a lovely 991.1 GTS and there would probably be some wiggle room.
997 GTS also a wonderful car.
It all depends on your tastes, but perhaps the newer the water cooled car, the less the risk of needing bits of work done.
This is a lovely 991.1 GTS and there would probably be some wiggle room.
997 GTS also a wonderful car.
It all depends on your tastes, but perhaps the newer the water cooled car, the less the risk of needing bits of work done.
Thanks and yes, a v Low 997 like the one at JZM or a 991 like this, ashgood appear to hold some decent stock, don’t know them by reputation
Grantstown said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
This is a lovely 991.1 GTS and there would probably be some wiggle room.
997 GTS also a wonderful car.
It all depends on your tastes, but perhaps the newer the water cooled car, the less the risk of needing bits of work done.
This is a lovely 991.1 GTS and there would probably be some wiggle room.
997 GTS also a wonderful car.
It all depends on your tastes, but perhaps the newer the water cooled car, the less the risk of needing bits of work done.
Billy_Whizzzz said:
Seems a big premium for 22 bhp - or am I missing something? I bought a manual 997.2 C4S with factory LSD, Short Shift, PASM, PSE etc etc for £40k recently. I’d love a GTS but what really are you getting for £30k or 40k extra over an S? I Love mine but feels ‘old’ and is never use it as a daily. If I wanted it for a daily I’d have the 991 S instead but hard to find in manual. Suspect even more so with the GTS.
Sounds like a good purchase. GTS chassis is slightly stiffer set up at the front and then it has the wide body at the rear so I do it drives quite differently to a C2S though yours with the LSD is a rare car. Big thing for the GTS and I think this is why the manual is so sort after is that power kit engine has a top end that rewards revs so really encourages you to use the full rev range, I’ve got a manual 997 GTS, had it four years and I love it. I knew in the first minute of driving it I was going to buy it. Had quite a few people ask if I want to sell over the years but not in a hurry to let go of the keys. There were something like 200 PDK’s and 100 Manual cars but there are always a lot more PDK’s around than Manual’s...which probably says something. I’m not one for the “future classic” thing because ultimately they make too many 911’s these days.
Any other questions OP feel free to ask.
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The 997 does feel pretty old compared to a modern Audi or Ford with all the modern tech say DAB and phone connectivity they just fit our lives better. But as a car that is great to drive without the need for these distractions, say a weekend toy, I don’t think you will find better.
If you want something to use daily go newer, a 991.2 GTS would be great but for just weekend fun go to the back catalogue.
I went from a brand new 991.2 GTS to older GT3 for weekend fun and couldn’t be happier.
Have fun finding what’s right for you.
Ed
The 997 does feel pretty old compared to a modern Audi or Ford with all the modern tech say DAB and phone connectivity they just fit our lives better. But as a car that is great to drive without the need for these distractions, say a weekend toy, I don’t think you will find better.
If you want something to use daily go newer, a 991.2 GTS would be great but for just weekend fun go to the back catalogue.
I went from a brand new 991.2 GTS to older GT3 for weekend fun and couldn’t be happier.
Have fun finding what’s right for you.
Ed
Have a gander through this thread OP, some useful info:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
Fl0pp3r said:
Have a gander through this thread OP, some useful info:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
OP take a look at my post on this thread on a back to back 991 GTS vs 997 GTS comparison. I still thinks it holds true and even more so if comparing a 991 Carrera or Carrera S (not sure you’ll get a 991 GTS for your budget?). https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
Bought my 997 GTS manual coupe in July 2014 after several gen 1 997s (C2S, C4S cab, Turbo, Turbo cab) still have it today but have only put 12k miles on it (total now 25k). I’ve tried other nice cars including other 991s, Aston V12V, and run a Maserati Granturismo GTS alongside the 997 but nothing has beaten its package for what I am looking for so far.
It’s old school but modern enough but ultimately you need to decide what you want from a weekend toy.
6 years in and I’m sticking after being a serial sports car swapper for many years.
MC99 said:
About to bite the bullet. Seems to be a great blend of usable and desirable. Manual cars carry a big premium, is it worth it and does everyone here believe they will still be sought after? 60-70 seems to be the market for a clean, manual carerra 2 GTS.
Should I spend a bit more for a 991? It’s a weekend car for me and occasionally the kids
Any input from owners greatly appreciated
If it's for weekend / special use buy the 997. Should I spend a bit more for a 991? It’s a weekend car for me and occasionally the kids
Any input from owners greatly appreciated
I hate to reduce a thread to discussing prices (knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing etc) but what these fetch is nuts! I remember them sitting unsold and at my OPC and being offered a pre-registered one for somewhere around £60k, practically brand new.
A £15-20k premium for a trim level with pain in the arse wheels is nuts!
A £15-20k premium for a trim level with pain in the arse wheels is nuts!
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I hate to reduce a thread to discussing prices (knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing etc) but what these fetch is nuts! I remember them sitting unsold and at my OPC and being offered a pre-registered one for somewhere around £60k, practically brand new.
A £15-20k premium for a trim level with pain in the arse wheels is nuts!
An RS owner thinking GTS prices frothy is a bit ironic. Whats your RS worth with all those miles you've put on her? Non CL model must be worth more?!A £15-20k premium for a trim level with pain in the arse wheels is nuts!
Thanks for the link and viewpoint. This is an unnecessary purchase from a pure transport viewpoint, as you say the 991 is a “better car” but being an 80s child something less refined is possibly more me...
Fl0pp3r said:
Have a gander through this thread OP, some useful info:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
Fl0pp3r said:
Have a gander through this thread OP, some useful info:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
I think what you really need to decide is what’s importanthttps://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
Noise- 991.1 GTS wins though you can improve the 997 with a Sharwerks or other crosspipe relatively cheaply
Steering - 997 wins last development of hydraulic steering vs first gen EPS (which has been improved on hugely in 991.2)
Gearbox - Six speed with the short shift in 997 is much nicer than the 7 speed in the 991.1. Second and third in 997 are just great ratios when you’re doing say 40mph to 70 mph on a country road. The engine is where you want it in the rev range.
Interior - 997 needs the Alcnatara and leather dash (plastic is a bit cheap looking and maybe 30% of cars have leather). 991 is more up to date but doesn’t have Apple Car Play so you’ll still get in it and think PCM is dated. I use a Bluetooth connection on my 997 with a phone mount. Does the job which is what I’d need with the 991.1....I use Waze every time I get in the car.
Size- They’re identical at the rear wheel arches so size on the road isn’t different. But 997 has smaller glasshouse and is narrower at wing mirrors so feels smaller.
Suspension/Chassis- Not driven a 991.1 But 991.2 GTS feels a bit more grown up....is a bit better at dealing with uneven road surfaces but still feels great when pushing on, 997 to me feels totally at home on country roads...just a really nice set up for enjoying UK country roads but maybe feels a but less “sophisticated” than 991.
So said:
Desert Dragon said:
Non CL model must be worth more?!
If you mean on the GTS then no. People want CLs and alcantara; those cars without tend to stick around.The things people want in a GTS are
Manual
Alcantara
Leather Dash
Sports Chrono
CL’s
Bose
Not many have all of that. You also want the Short Shift (SSK) but that can be retrofitted,
JZM car doesn’t have Sports Chrono and has the plastic dash, Without the former there’s no Sport button....that gives you a slightly sharper throttle response which I think is better for heel and toe. Maybe it’s just me but I’d want those for that money.
Edited by Cheib on Sunday 14th June 09:02
CL are not as problematic as some seem to think and my view is the RWD cars are a bit more than a trim level (power kit, widebody and yes wheels!)
As for value, water finds its level and it is what it is. I don’t think they’ll suddenly drop more than other 997s and will alway carry some premium (large or small).
Luckily for me I’ve had it so long (and bought from an OPC when they didn’t carry a premium) that values are of little consequence now. Just trying to drive it more as it is such a good, fun, capable, usable car.
As for value, water finds its level and it is what it is. I don’t think they’ll suddenly drop more than other 997s and will alway carry some premium (large or small).
Luckily for me I’ve had it so long (and bought from an OPC when they didn’t carry a premium) that values are of little consequence now. Just trying to drive it more as it is such a good, fun, capable, usable car.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I imagine for many they're no problem at all, my mate would disagree after being stranded in France on holiday however when no one could change his tyre for three days and at much expense on his GTS.
Sorry to hear he had these troubles, but with a little prep in buying the right kit to take with him this could have been avoided. Cheib said:
Fl0pp3r said:
Have a gander through this thread OP, some useful info:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
I think what you really need to decide is what’s importanthttps://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Personally I’d go with the 997 as I think they offer the best modern 911 experience - the right size, still feels like a sports car, brilliant steering feel...the 991 is objectively a “better” all round car perhaps - faster, bigger, more stable, better interior, better daily driver, more of a GT car than the 997.....but it depends what you’re after.
For the Sunday morning hoon has to be a manual 997 I’d say!
Noise- 991.1 GTS wins though you can improve the 997 with a Sharwerks or other crosspipe relatively cheaply
Steering - 997 wins last development of hydraulic steering vs first gen EPS (which has been improved on hugely in 991.2)
Gearbox - Six speed with the short shift in 997 is much nicer than the 7 speed in the 991.1. Second and third in 997 are just great ratios when you’re doing say 40mph to 70 mph on a country road. The engine is where you want it in the rev range.
Interior - 997 needs the Alcnatara and leather dash (plastic is a bit cheap looking and maybe 30% of cars have leather). 991 is more up to date but doesn’t have Apple Car Play so you’ll still get in it and think PCM is dated. I use a Bluetooth connection on my 997 with a phone mount. Does the job which is what I’d need with the 991.1....I use Waze every time I get in the car.
Size- They’re identical at the rear wheel arches so size on the road isn’t different. But 997 has smaller glasshouse and is narrower at wing mirrors so feels smaller.
Suspension/Chassis- Not driven a 991.1 But 991.2 GTS feels a bit more grown up....is a bit better at dealing with uneven road surfaces but still feels great when pushing on, 997 to me feels totally at home on country roads...just a really nice set up for enjoying UK country roads but maybe feels a but less “sophisticated” than 991.
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