997.1 gt3 cs on collecting cars
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GTSJOE said:
I’m the lucky owner of the 997 GT3 CS sold on collecting Cars. Thought it best to post as the sale has led to some heated debate as to whether the car is an unloved and neglected car. Far from it.. the car is part of a larger collection, it didn’t get a lot of use for a while so missed a service, 3200 miles between services is not a catastrophe if the car is part of a larger collection.
It’s now booked in for a 111 point check and Porsche warranty as OPC workshops are open for business.
The car joins a 964 C2 ( Tech9 hotrod) along with a few other cars.. looking forward to putting more miles on this very special car.
Congratulations you bought well. It’s now booked in for a 111 point check and Porsche warranty as OPC workshops are open for business.
The car joins a 964 C2 ( Tech9 hotrod) along with a few other cars.. looking forward to putting more miles on this very special car.
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
EvoSid said:
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, they are great road cars!They feel very different to the Carreras even during normal road driving.
EvoSid said:
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
GT3.2 is a fabulous road car and will handle all the spirited driving you can offer. If it's solely for the road, you may be better with PDK.The reason I say that is that under lockdown we had a 40 mph limit imposed, which brought the PDK into its own.Porsche911R said:
What you got ?
Always had M3s, F80 CS is the finest they have made IMO, tuned it straight away.F13 M6CP I had is still the fastest straight-line car I've had, 600 hp rwd not for the faint-hearted and the ceramics were using 1.25 mill of pad for every 1k miles. Bought my present .2 GT3 as my last car, but it is that good I am looking ahead at the 992, so thanks P for messing my plans up and losing so much money with BMW.Edited by Melvynr on Thursday 2nd July 04:14
Edited by Melvynr on Thursday 2nd July 04:14
Shaoxter said:
EvoSid said:
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, they are great road cars!They feel very different to the Carreras even during normal road driving.
They are very clever bits of kit and I think, were I looking at a car from that perspective, it's what I'd buy.
My enjoyment of the 997 platform is that it is that bit older and definitely a bit more analogue and a little less refined.
ETA: Congratulations GTSJOE! As I said all along, a lovely looking car.
Edited by Digga on Thursday 2nd July 08:07
GTSJOE said:
I’m the lucky owner of the 997 GT3 CS sold on collecting Cars. Thought it best to post as the sale has led to some heated debate as to whether the car is an unloved and neglected car. Far from it.. the car is part of a larger collection, it didn’t get a lot of use for a while so missed a service, 3200 miles between services is not a catastrophe if the car is part of a larger collection.
It’s now booked in for a 111 point check and Porsche warranty as OPC workshops are open for business.
The car joins a 964 C2 ( Tech9 hotrod) along with a few other cars.. looking forward to putting more miles on this very special car.
It’s now booked in for a 111 point check and Porsche warranty as OPC workshops are open for business.
The car joins a 964 C2 ( Tech9 hotrod) along with a few other cars.. looking forward to putting more miles on this very special car.
EvoSid said:
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
I'm not quite sure why this conclusion either. Mine gets used pretty much exclusively on the road and is a blast.Not used it much with lockdown of course, so PDK would probably have been better (whoosh parrot).
Bert
EvoSid said:
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
Yes and no, But mainly yes but I go the reverse of most and the gearing kills the older cars in the same way it does on the GT4 and 981 manuals.The engine in older cars loves to rev but reving out a GT3 in 3rd is pretty much impossable, so the cars are frustrating.
yes the 991.2 is better as the suspension is better and it has lower ratio's but don't be fooled it makes a great daily, it don't.
you cannot daily a car with cup 2's !!! so you need 2 sets wheels with PS4S on.
I daily a golf all be it the best one they have ever made imo.
My fun cars are just that for fun, 997's don't drop so for a road cars the GTS is always the best models be it, 911, Macans etc etc.
A £45k 997.2 C2s makes a great road car and stable values.
GT3's are great if you drop the final drive and fit some up market shocks (not track shocks) and tweak it a bit.
Best road porker I have owned oem is the Cayman R , wonderful car to drive on UK B roads.
Maybe the new Evora 410 GT might be the best road car no one ever bought !!
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 2nd July 08:53
EvoSid said:
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
Never tracked mine. I bought it for use as a road car that I can enjoy at any speed, and it fulfils that brief entirely. Obviously it's in it's element when making progress, and is utterly mesmerising in the twisties, but it's not the sort of car that feels aloof and uninterested unless your at 9/10th's or above, like so many modern performance cars. There's also a lot to enjoy when just short-shifting through the box and feeling the constant dialogue coming back through the steering wheel, and the whole experience feels more focused and special, with more immediate responses, than in a non-GT 997.Not a car you can really relax in though. It needs you, most of the time - which is exactly the way it should be.
Porsche911R said:
A £45k 997.2 C2s makes a great road car and stable values.
I had a manual one of those before the GT3, albeit with Sport PASM chassis (slightly lower, thicker ARB's/ LSD). Fantastic thing! But, I didn't like the 9A1 engine as much as the M97 in the 7.1 I had before that. Technically, and on paper the 9A1 is a better engine, it just didn't sound or feel as chraracterful as the M97, and was also more linear in it's delivery, which made it feel less exciting to me. That said, the gen 2 was a more engaging drive, and quicker than my Exige V6 on a give and take road. Great car.D.no said:
Never tracked mine. I bought it for use as a road car that I can enjoy at any speed, and it fulfils that brief entirely. Obviously it's in it's element when making progress, and is utterly mesmerising in the twisties, but it's not the sort of car that feels aloof and uninterested unless your at 9/10th's or above, like so many modern performance cars. There's also a lot to enjoy when just short-shifting through the box and feeling the constant dialogue coming back through the steering wheel, and the whole experience feels more focused and special, with more immediate responses, than in a non-GT 997.
Not a car you can really relax in though. It needs you, most of the time - which is exactly the way it should be.
Agree with all except the last bit....... I guess it depends on how aggressive the geometry.Not a car you can really relax in though. It needs you, most of the time - which is exactly the way it should be.
BrotherMouzone said:
Agree with all except the last bit....... I guess it depends on how aggressive the geometry.
Absolutely. I've gone slightly less aggressive now to how I originally had it set up, but it still begs for corners - which is exactly how I like it. I'm sure it could be set-up to munch the motorway miles with complete aplomb if so wished, and everywhere in-between.D.no said:
BrotherMouzone said:
Agree with all except the last bit....... I guess it depends on how aggressive the geometry.
Absolutely. I've gone slightly less aggressive now to how I originally had it set up, but it still begs for corners - which is exactly how I like it. I'm sure it could be set-up to munch the motorway miles with complete aplomb if so wished, and everywhere in-between.I had my own car serviced by Sports & Classic this week. Part of the work was a re-jig of the setup, because I'd fitted fresh tyres. Mine's skewed more toward the track end of the geometry compromise. On the way up, it felt sharp, but the refresh makes you really how sharp it can be.
Digga said:
They are incredibly 'tuneable' to driver preferences. Someone buying a keeper could do far worse than spending the time to get an appointment with Center Gravity.
I had my own car serviced by Sports & Classic this week. Part of the work was a re-jig of the setup, because I'd fitted fresh tyres. Mine's skewed more toward the track end of the geometry compromise. On the way up, it felt sharp, but the refresh makes you really how sharp it can be.
All ready for Silverstone then?I had my own car serviced by Sports & Classic this week. Part of the work was a re-jig of the setup, because I'd fitted fresh tyres. Mine's skewed more toward the track end of the geometry compromise. On the way up, it felt sharp, but the refresh makes you really how sharp it can be.
I echo the Centre Gravity comments. I had both previous 997's set-up at CG and can't recommend them highly enough. Purely out of convenience (my car was with them anyway) I had the last set-up on my GT3 done by Fearnsport, and have to say they nailed it exactly to my brief, and went above and beyond by fitting wider spacers in the front LCA's to get the front-end where I wanted it.
Ive been to Centre Gravity twice now fabulous guys. 1st to have my car set up for fast A B rods then they found the problem with a sqeak on the front end. Colchester porsche said it was my lower control arm. Spoke to Chris at C Of G and he said it was the DU bush in the front shock. He got both shocks rebuilt at Bilstein, perfect again.
EvoSid said:
So from reading this thread, the 997 GT3 only really makes sense if you track it. Is there any GT3 that is ok just for spirited road use ? Or would a GTS be the better compromise. I just love the looks of the GT3 cars and they seem to deprecate slightly less than a regular 911, but not much use if you only intend to us either as a road car
I mainly use my car for European raod trips, and its perfect for the french roads.Even more fun when going through the mountains,I feel bad as mine has never been on a track apart from Dunsfold for a charity event for children. Speed and pace was restricted.
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