Any love for the 997 GTS?

[NRG1976]

Honestly grown men behaving like kids, embarrassing.

[dibblecorse]

Anyway, back on topic, I love my GTS even though the spec is the antithesis of what the purists want .

PDK, 4WD and a convertible ... plus filthy ... perfect winter car lol.

[braddo]

NRG1976 said:

Honestly grown men behaving like kids, embarrassing.

The forum has been nicer without Denny around for the past year or whatever.

[MC99]

dibblecorse said:

Anyway, back on topic, I love my GTS even though the spec is the antithesis of what the purists want .

PDK, 4WD and a convertible ... plus filthy ... perfect winter car lol.

Love yours and silver is the best colour, but I ended up with white. Mine spends most of winter inside. I just don’t get to drive it much, which is why it only has 10k miles on it, and plastic dash it’s low spec manual must mean that’s why!

[Louis Balfour]

MC99 said:

Love yours and silver is the best colour, but I ended up with white. Mine spends most of winter inside. I just don’t get to drive it much, which is why it only has 10k miles on it, and plastic dash it’s low spec manual must mean that’s why!

Plastic dash you say? I wouldn’t be seen driving that. The humiliation.

[P.Griffin]

Unbelievable cheek of dealers...I'm sure this is the same one from earlier on in this thread for sale around £60k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401306...


Couldn't sell it at £60k, so dealer tries at £75k... madness. These GTSs are overpriced in my eyes when you could have this....

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...

Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 2nd February 08:00

[MC99]

P.Griffin said:

Unbelievable cheek of dealers...I'm sure this is the same one from earlier on in this thread for sale around £60k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401306...


Couldn't sell it at £60k, so dealer tries at £75k... madness. These GTSs are overpriced in my eyes when you could have this.... https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...

Can’t get either link to work - certainly there’s so much choice anytime you venture north of 50k. Whether it be Porsche or many other brands

[P.Griffin]

MC99 said:

P.Griffin said:

Unbelievable cheek of dealers...I'm sure this is the same one from earlier on in this thread for sale around £60k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401306...


Couldn't sell it at £60k, so dealer tries at £75k... madness. These GTSs are overpriced in my eyes when you could have this.... https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...

Can’t get either link to work - certainly there’s so much choice anytime you venture north of 50k. Whether it be Porsche or many other brands

Apologies..try these

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401306...

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...

[jed1234]

That £69k (+fees) 997.2 Turbo S has also turned up at a dealers for a close to £20k markup! Jokers...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402016...

I was actually looking to buy either a 997.2 turbo S or 997.2 GTS (Manual) a couple of weeks ago. Went with the manual GTS, for pretty close to what I could have bought a turbo for. Whilst I agree that prices seem steep at the minute, I don't personally hold a turbo S to 'a much higher value' than a GTS (at least not a manual) as for me the manual driver engagement and sound take precedent over break neck speed. Something about the alcantara and more subtle looks (+only wide bodied 2wd in the non-rs 997 lineup) also adds appeal to the typically all leather turbo S's.

The manual I bought also has a 'plastic' dash. I love it! I'm clearly one of the few... for me it feels pared back and suits the car (and dare I say it gives me GT3'esque type vibes.)

[guyvert1]

jed1234 said:

That £69k (+fees) 997.2 Turbo S has also turned up at a dealers for a close to £20k markup! Jokers...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402016...

I was actually looking to buy either a 997.2 turbo S or 997.2 GTS (Manual) a couple of weeks ago. Went with the manual GTS, for pretty close to what I could have bought a turbo for. Whilst I agree that prices seem steep at the minute, I don't personally hold a turbo S to 'a much higher value' than a GTS (at least not a manual) as for me the manual driver engagement and sound take precedent over break neck speed. Something about the alcantara and more subtle looks (+only wide bodied 2wd in the non-rs 997 lineup) also adds appeal to the typically all leather turbo S's.

The manual I bought also has a 'plastic' dash. I love it! I'm clearly one of the few... for me it feels pared back and suits the car (and dare I say it gives me GT3'esque type vibes.)

You could of probably bagged a GT3 for similar money to a manual GTS ?

[jed1234]

Need the rear seats for my two little ones. It was a consideration!

I'm also a much bigger fan of the 997.2 vs 997.1 (personal tastes...) and the 997.2 GT3's are still 30-40k more than a manual GTS (if not more)

[guyvert1]

At least you know what you wanted and got it, thats the important part :-)

[P.Griffin]

jed1234 said:

That £69k (+fees) 997.2 Turbo S has also turned up at a dealers for a close to £20k markup! Jokers...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402016...

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

[jed1234]

P.Griffin said:

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

Completely agree. I held out for months hoping a good manual GTS would pop up privately so that I wouldn't have to pay a huge markup to a dealer (but eventually gave up and succumbed...)

[BillyB]

jed1234 said:

P.Griffin said:

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

Completely agree. I held out for months hoping a good manual GTS would pop up privately so that I wouldn't have to pay a huge markup to a dealer (but eventually gave up and succumbed...)

Buying privately - yes. Buying from a site that provides nothing other than fancy photos for its 6% markup, no thanks. I found and bought my last four toy cars privately without needing to pay anyone for unnecessarily fancy photos and a fake sense of quality. (Can you tell I don't like CC?!)

[Louis Balfour]

jed1234 said:

P.Griffin said:

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

Completely agree. I held out for months hoping a good manual GTS would pop up privately so that I wouldn't have to pay a huge markup to a dealer (but eventually gave up and succumbed...)

I usually buy high-value cars from dealers. Almost always main agents. There is then a chance of a remedy if things go wrong, and they have done a few times.

[P.Griffin]

Louis Balfour said:

jed1234 said:

P.Griffin said:

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

Completely agree. I held out for months hoping a good manual GTS would pop up privately so that I wouldn't have to pay a huge markup to a dealer (but eventually gave up and succumbed...)

I usually buy high-value cars from dealers. Almost always main agents. There is then a chance of a remedy if things go wrong, and they have done a few times.

I would think most higher end cars have been reasonably well cared for, and you'd know quite quickly if they haven't. If unsure, a professional inspection should put you mind at rest. Not worth paying the dealer unreasonable mark up if you ask me, unless they are willing to give you an extended warranty for all parts and labour.

What is the difference between these 2 cars that were on the market for substantially less a week ago, other than the fact they are now in the hands of dealers and at a higher price...they are the same cars no?

Then again, a fool and his money are easily parted.

Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 2nd February 15:05

[Louis Balfour]

P.Griffin said:

Louis Balfour said:

jed1234 said:

P.Griffin said:

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

Completely agree. I held out for months hoping a good manual GTS would pop up privately so that I wouldn't have to pay a huge markup to a dealer (but eventually gave up and succumbed...)

I usually buy high-value cars from dealers. Almost always main agents. There is then a chance of a remedy if things go wrong, and they have done a few times.

I would think most higher end cars have been reasonably well cared for, and you'd know quite quickly if they haven't.

You'd be surprised. I have seen more Bentleys with missed services than any other marque. People will cheerfully pay £250k for a car and then skip £1200 services. Go figure.

P.Griffin said:

If unsure, a professional inspection should put you mind at rest.

A PPI is only a snapshot. Buy a Ferrari / Bentley / Rolls Royce / Lambo on a PPI, and an engine goes pop, it will take the shine off the ownership experience.

P.Griffin said:

Not worth paying the dealer unreasonable mark up if you ask me, unless they are willing to give you an extended warranty for all parts and labour.

Most approved used cars are at least one year bumper-to-bumper. Rolls Royce does 2 years fully inclusive of servicing, MOTs, the lot. The only thing you pay for are tyres and wiper blades. Porsche is still 2 years I think.

The last time I bought privately was from a PHer. He took it to Porsche, who did a 111 point check and sold the seller warranty, which I then took over.

With private sellers you're on your own, with indy dealers it is usually the same story.

[P.Griffin]

Louis Balfour said:

P.Griffin said:

Louis Balfour said:

jed1234 said:

P.Griffin said:

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

Completely agree. I held out for months hoping a good manual GTS would pop up privately so that I wouldn't have to pay a huge markup to a dealer (but eventually gave up and succumbed...)

I usually buy high-value cars from dealers. Almost always main agents. There is then a chance of a remedy if things go wrong, and they have done a few times.

I would think most higher end cars have been reasonably well cared for, and you'd know quite quickly if they haven't.

You'd be surprised. I have seen more Bentleys with missed services than any other marque. People will cheerfully pay £250k for a car and then skip £1200 services. Go figure.

P.Griffin said:

If unsure, a professional inspection should put you mind at rest.

A PPI is only a snapshot. Buy a Ferrari / Bentley / Rolls Royce / Lambo on a PPI, and an engine goes pop, it will take the shine off the ownership experience.

P.Griffin said:

Not worth paying the dealer unreasonable mark up if you ask me, unless they are willing to give you an extended warranty for all parts and labour.

Most approved used cars are at least one year bumper-to-bumper. Rolls Royce does 2 years fully inclusive of servicing, MOTs, the lot. The only thing you pay for are tyres and wiper blades. Porsche is still 2 years I think.

The last time I bought privately was from a PHer. He took it to Porsche, who did a 111 point check and sold the seller warranty, which I then took over.

With private sellers you're on your own, with indy dealers it is usually the same story.

So walk away from cars without a FSH, and then pay for an extended warranty. Job done.

That said, Ferraris, Lambos and Rollers are a little out of my league...maybe for this very reason. The cost if they do go pop can be eye watering.

Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 2nd February 15:34

[Louis Balfour]

P.Griffin said:

Louis Balfour said:

P.Griffin said:

Louis Balfour said:

jed1234 said:

P.Griffin said:

I have never understood why people are adverse to buying privately and prefer to gift free money to dealers. Long live these higher quality auction sites.

Completely agree. I held out for months hoping a good manual GTS would pop up privately so that I wouldn't have to pay a huge markup to a dealer (but eventually gave up and succumbed...)

I usually buy high-value cars from dealers. Almost always main agents. There is then a chance of a remedy if things go wrong, and they have done a few times.

I would think most higher end cars have been reasonably well cared for, and you'd know quite quickly if they haven't.

You'd be surprised. I have seen more Bentleys with missed services than any other marque. People will cheerfully pay £250k for a car and then skip £1200 services. Go figure.

P.Griffin said:

If unsure, a professional inspection should put you mind at rest.

A PPI is only a snapshot. Buy a Ferrari / Bentley / Rolls Royce / Lambo on a PPI, and an engine goes pop, it will take the shine off the ownership experience.

P.Griffin said:

Not worth paying the dealer unreasonable mark up if you ask me, unless they are willing to give you an extended warranty for all parts and labour.

Most approved used cars are at least one year bumper-to-bumper. Rolls Royce does 2 years fully inclusive of servicing, MOTs, the lot. The only thing you pay for are tyres and wiper blades. Porsche is still 2 years I think.

The last time I bought privately was from a PHer. He took it to Porsche, who did a 111 point check and sold the seller warranty, which I then took over.

With private sellers you're on your own, with indy dealers it is usually the same story.

So walk away from cars without a FSH, and then pay for an extended warranty. Job done.

That said, Ferraris, Lambos and Rollers are a little out of my league...maybe for this very reason. The cost if they do go pop can be eye watering.

Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 2nd February 15:34

The issue is IMHO that the warranty you can obtain for a privately purchased car is not as good as an approved one, unless you jump through the hops to get it back into the network. I believe it is still the case that if you buy a Porsche privately you have to have owned it for three months before you can have Porsche warranty.

Also, if you have issues with an authorised dealer, whilst the car is covered by approved warranty, the manufacturer will step in to avoid reputational damage.

On the subject of Porsche and warranty, when I bought my 997 GTS from Porsche Hatfield someone had missed the fact that the exhaust had been bashed. Approaching a year after purchase they paid me a decent sum in compensation. I said to them "I can't prove it, but I haven't done it, it must have been like it when I bought it" and they paid. The percentage chance of that happening with a private sale hovers around zero.