Any love for the 997 GTS?

[KittyLitter]

This one is has a very special spec, buckets and rear seat delete

https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-car...

[Cheib]

Zio Di Roma said:

Marmite car.

The red doesn't offend, but I would have gone with a black steering wheel.

The buyers for these tend to prefer alcantara and red is not for everyone.

So withhat in mind, £80k is punchy IMHO.

Edited by Zio Di Roma on Saturday 20th April 18:39

That is way over priced being PDK. At the height of the market I sold my 32k mile manual car through RPM, sold in a couple of weeks for £80k.
Alcantara/Leather Dash/Sports Chrono/Bose are the things people want. Mine had those plus 18 way seats, factory Short Shift and a few other bits. What was I thinking !

[Porsche-worm]

Maxf said:

Well, I’ve now got a GTS on the driveway! A drive this evening really confirmed to me I’d made a good choice!

Red was originally pretty low down my colour list, but everything else stacked up so I went for it… only a day in and I really love the colour!

Edited by Maxf on Friday 19th April 21:57

That is stunning in red. Guards is such a great 911 colour.

[KittyLitter]

Cheib said:

Zio Di Roma said:

Marmite car.

The red doesn't offend, but I would have gone with a black steering wheel.

The buyers for these tend to prefer alcantara and red is not for everyone.

So withhat in mind, £80k is punchy IMHO.

Edited by Zio Di Roma on Saturday 20th April 18:39

That is way over priced being PDK. At the height of the market I sold my 32k mile manual car through RPM, sold in a couple of weeks for £80k.
Alcantara/Leather Dash/Sports Chrono/Bose are the things people want. Mine had those plus 18 way seats, factory Short Shift and a few other bits. What was I thinking !

I did wonder if overpriced, as for approx 10% more one could get this



https://www.hexagonclassics.com/car/porsche-911--9...

not to derail the thread off the subject of GTS, but they are getting close to parity with preemo condition 997 Turbo prices.

[GTRene]

Zio Di Roma said:

KittyLitter said:

What are your thoughts to this one?


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307069...

Marmite car.

The red doesn't offend, but I would have gone with a black steering wheel.

The buyers for these tend to prefer alcantara and red is not for everyone.

So withhat in mind, £80k is punchy IMHO.

Edited by Zio Di Roma on Saturday 20th April 18:39

Lovely looking car, but pfff that is a lot Red... to much indeed, at least needs some black alcantara steering wheel and shiftgear bag and some other things on the mid console and some parts at the doorcards just a few spots say in alcantara or black leather to brake the red a bit,

I see that Porsche 997.2 Turbo also has such red interior... and ow automatic...

[Porsche-worm]

KittyLitter said:

I did wonder if overpriced, as for approx 10% more one could get this



https://www.hexagonclassics.com/car/porsche-911--9...

not to derail the thread off the subject of GTS, but they are getting close to parity with preemo condition 997 Turbo prices.

Horrific full red interior on both those cars. If that's what you like then fair enough but don't expect an easy sale if you ever want to change.

[Cheib]

Saw this beauty at the Bicester Sunday Scramble today…never knew there was one in the UK in that colour. Yes it’s a manual !

[Claret Badger]

Cheib said:

Saw this beauty at the Bicester Sunday Scramble today…never knew there was one in the UK in that colour. Yes it’s a manual !

I think that could be Paul Cowland's one.

[Cheib]

Whoever it belongs to barely uses it…it has done 6000 miles of which 500 were in the last ten years according to the MOT history.

[RichDS]

Agree on the comments on the murdered interior. I bought an s2000 with a similar theme 15 years ago to save a few quid and to be fair I did grow immune to it after a few weeks when I was in the car but walking up to it seeing the dash was never fun!!

Well, i certainly won’t be in the market for a low miler and may lean to PDK. Anyone had any issues with the box?

Thoughts on the high miler at Cridfords? Seems to have good history of high miles.

Does £50k represent value at this point or not?!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024041586...

Edited by RichDS on Sunday 21st April 22:40

[Claret Badger]

RichDS said:

Agree on the comments on the murdered interior. I bought an s2000 with a similar theme 15 years ago to save a few quid and to be fair I did grow immune to it after a few weeks when I was in the car but walking up to it seeing the dash was never fun!!

Well, i certainly won’t be in the market for a low miler and may lean to PDK. Anyone had any issues with the box?

Thoughts on the high miler at Cridfords? Seems to have got history of high miles.

Does £50k represent value at this point or not?!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024041586...

Seems fair. No doubt a manual is preferable but I personally decided I'd rather have a PDK 4 GTS than a manual 4S and have't regretted it. The PDK isn't perfect by any stretch, but bearing in mind I'm in London it makes sense and you can still have fun in manual mode. I think the PDK box is supposed to be pretty solid too.

[RichDS]

Claret Badger said:

Seems fair. No doubt a manual is preferable but I personally decided I'd rather have a PDK 4 GTS than a manual 4S and have't regretted it. The PDK isn't perfect by any stretch, but bearing in mind I'm in London it makes sense and you can still have fun in manual mode. I think the PDK box is supposed to be pretty solid too.

My main concern is that it will likely at least start life as my daily which would mean 18-24 months later 100k+ miles on the clock which would be unchartered territory at that point…

Did wonder about a cab too - this one could be promising:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024032880...

If going the pdk route anyway not going to be purist and might be nice to hear the flat 6!

[Zio Di Roma]

No one should be persuaded that the PDK is a poor option. It isn't.

The reason the manual is now more sought-after is, in part, because the PDK was so good when it came out and the majority of cars were PDK. Some people bought manuals just to save money, when they really wanted a PDK.

Yes, the manual has an enduring appeal and hasn't dated (which the PDK always would), but the 997 PDK was and remains very good. It's not a slush box.

[braddo]

Zio Di Roma said:

Some people bought manuals just to save money, when they really wanted a PDK.

Absolutely zero people did that when purchasing a GTS brand new in the midst of the global financial crisis.

[PRO5T]

braddo said:

Zio Di Roma said:

Some people bought manuals just to save money, when they really wanted a PDK.

Absolutely zero people did that when purchasing a GTS brand new in the midst of the global financial crisis.

In the UK at least, most were spec'd by OPCs or Porsche themselves as very, very few people were ordering new cars to spec. A bit like the Boxster Spyder it's why you have such variations on what you would think was prime GTS spec-a load were built by Porsche to use at Silverstone as experience and press cars and then traded out in Porsche approved stock.

So they needed examples of different seats, drive trains, wheels and brakes etc.

My local OPC had a lovely grey one that sat for months with a huge discount on it (it was for sale at £60k and change) and if I remember correctly (as I was going to order a Spyder) I think they only sold one Spyder as a customer order, the rest were bought in (and in my locals case pretty crap spec).

[Zio Di Roma]

braddo said:

Zio Di Roma said:

Some people bought manuals just to save money, when they really wanted a PDK.

Absolutely zero people did that when purchasing a GTS brand new in the midst of the global financial crisis.

Oh yes they did. I could (but won’t) name a PHer who did exactly that and then preferred the courtesy PDK loan car he was given.

[RichDS]

Zio Di Roma said:

No one should be persuaded that the PDK is a poor option. It isn't.

The reason the manual is now more sought-after is, in part, because the PDK was so good when it came out and the majority of cars were PDK. Some people bought manuals just to save money, when they really wanted a PDK.

Yes, the manual has an enduring appeal and hasn't dated (which the PDK always would), but the 997 PDK was and remains very good. It's not a slush box.

Thoughts on the non paddle version of the pdk?
Note I have had a few pdk cars and not that bothered about manually shifting anyway if the car can make a half good job of it!

[Cheib]

Zio Di Roma said:

No one should be persuaded that the PDK is a poor option. It isn't.

The reason the manual is now more sought-after is, in part, because the PDK was so good when it came out and the majority of cars were PDK. Some people bought manuals just to save money, when they really wanted a PDK.

Yes, the manual has an enduring appeal and hasn't dated (which the PDK always would), but the 997 PDK was and remains very good. It's not a slush box.

The PDK in the 997 was the best thing out there when it was launched. However 15 years on it no longer is with transmissions in much more mundane cars being its equal or better. 997's are now mostly not people's daily driver and on a Sunday morning going for a blast in your sports car you want to be driving a car with a gearbox that is engaging and not inferior to your daily. eg If you daily a Macan the PDK in that will be better than that in a 997.

One of the reasons the manual gearbox and the 997 GTS provide such great bedfellows is that power kit engine has a top end which genuinely rewards going to maximum revs and who doesn't love timing a gear change properly when you're taking the engine to the red line....not something that can be said of the Carrera/S engines.

Edited by Cheib on Monday 22 April 16:23

[NRG1976]

Here we go down another rabbit hole of pdk vs. manual

[RichDS]

No time for that and can’t afford a manual GTS!!

Given my requirements I reckon a better question is pdk GTS or tip 997 turbo!