Can you buy a decent spec 991.2 GT3 for under £120K?
Discussion
Koln-RS said:
If dealers are ‘asking’ £120k, what are the outgoing owners getting for trade-in?
Surely the ‘best buy’ is a private purchase of a car, still under Warranty, for significantly less?
Quite agree,Surely the ‘best buy’ is a private purchase of a car, still under Warranty, for significantly less?
It’s the matter of that big money transaction isn’t it.
The reason why my old man flogged his run around to webuyanycar. Lol
Far Cough said:
GT4RS said:
I presume as its an independent that the Porsche warranty will not be included in the sale ?
franki68 said:
One mans decent spec is another mans poison (918 seats for example are complete no go for some people who have experienced them ,some prefer steel to ceramics,some prefer pdk to manual ) ,but assuming one is willing to buy from a non franchise dealer or privately then yes you can buy a nice car for 120 .
It may not have what a few ‘gurus’ on here deem as ideal but there’s no such thing as a bad spec really .
Mega cars regardless of spec .
+ 1It may not have what a few ‘gurus’ on here deem as ideal but there’s no such thing as a bad spec really .
Mega cars regardless of spec .
kman said:
av185 said:
Similar to the red one.
Pushing 8k mile early run 2017 part ex car outside Porsche franchise with steel brakes and no lift. Not 1 owner.
Still at premium over list price ££.
I looked at this one but can confirm its no lift. Was a deal breaker.Pushing 8k mile early run 2017 part ex car outside Porsche franchise with steel brakes and no lift. Not 1 owner.
Still at premium over list price ££.
Another example of a no brainer option and a car without is worth over £1.5k less than one with, furthermore is much more difficult to sell.
GT4RS said:
franki68 said:
One mans decent spec is another mans poison (918 seats for example are complete no go for some people who have experienced them ,some prefer steel to ceramics,some prefer pdk to manual ) ,but assuming one is willing to buy from a non franchise dealer or privately then yes you can buy a nice car for 120 .
It may not have what a few ‘gurus’ on here deem as ideal but there’s no such thing as a bad spec really .
Mega cars regardless of spec .
+ 1It may not have what a few ‘gurus’ on here deem as ideal but there’s no such thing as a bad spec really .
Mega cars regardless of spec .
ks :-)you have a pool of people buying cars it's 100% of people if those 100% are in the market for a 991.2 GT3.
AV185 halo spec car is utter b
ks of course, but it does attract a pool of say 45% buyers from the 100% in the market.the AB cars as an example, now this is all made up but it's about a pool of buyers for a car and how that gets reduced quite fast.
1: PDK say is 40% buyers, so already we have lost 60% of our pool of people with money to spend.
2: steel brakes loses may be 60% of that pool.
so from 100% we are quickly down to 16% buyers in the market for this car, but it don't stop there.
3: Colour will 1/2 that to 8%
4: folding buckets will half that again to 4%
5: of the 4% left 1 or 2 will want LED lights, and not want that red trim.
net result from 100% buyers are 2% left in the running for the car.
now take a Steel braked manual car of which is a good seller, BUT NOT AV185 halo spec.
1: 60% buyers want manual say
2: 1/2 those dismiss pccb.
you are left with a 30% pool of buyers which is not bad if the car has LED,LIFT etc etc.
there is no such thing as a 100% car as even the gear box choice just about splits that in 1/2
what is an issue is too many unpopular options on the same car reduce the pool of buyers to such a small % it's hard to sell.
how many people want a PDK, comfort, steel braked, no lift, no LED, rodium colour car with no carbon and red air vents . ? 0.1% :-)
but like wise AV185 Halo spec Does not get you 100% buyers it's maybe 45% buyers but that's better than the AB car with 2% buyers.
only 4 manuals at OPC atm vs 13 PDK, 1 is touring one is comfort, the 2 manual PCCB cars are £133k and £135k !! it what it is.3
what we can see from sales of GT3's is a few options really kill the pool of buyers what ever tranny you pick.
Lift
LED's
brakes
trim
comfort
All reduce the pool of people for said car.
my cars a great spec for me , but from a pool of buyers is still only say a 35% pool of people who would want it.
35 %enough to demand top money though.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 5th October 12:07
av185 said:
kman said:
av185 said:
Similar to the red one.
Pushing 8k mile early run 2017 part ex car outside Porsche franchise with steel brakes and no lift. Not 1 owner.
Still at premium over list price ££.
I looked at this one but can confirm its no lift. Was a deal breaker.Pushing 8k mile early run 2017 part ex car outside Porsche franchise with steel brakes and no lift. Not 1 owner.
Still at premium over list price ££.
Another example of a no brainer option and a car without is worth over £1.5k less than one with, furthermore is much more difficult to sell.
Worth mentioning there is nothing wrong of course with speccing the car how you like its a free world as we all know.
Problem is and what we are concerned with on this thread as 911R rightly says is many folks spec their cars poorly or ott without taking appropriate advice on the basis they will keep the car forever and even the children will inherit it lol then after 18 months decide they want something else entirely so get a relatively bad deal come sale time.
Best advice as ever is be savvy always take advice re spec and spec your car for yourself BUT also with one eye on the market so if you want to sell you get the best deal.
Yet I see so many folks who struggle on resale and then moan by getting raped financially simply due to lack of/bad advice/knowledge about which items to spec and those things to leave off.
Applies to most cars esp £100k+ not just Porsche GTs.
Problem is and what we are concerned with on this thread as 911R rightly says is many folks spec their cars poorly or ott without taking appropriate advice on the basis they will keep the car forever and even the children will inherit it lol then after 18 months decide they want something else entirely so get a relatively bad deal come sale time.
Best advice as ever is be savvy always take advice re spec and spec your car for yourself BUT also with one eye on the market so if you want to sell you get the best deal.
Yet I see so many folks who struggle on resale and then moan by getting raped financially simply due to lack of/bad advice/knowledge about which items to spec and those things to leave off.
Applies to most cars esp £100k+ not just Porsche GTs.
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
kman said:
av185 said:
Similar to the red one.
Pushing 8k mile early run 2017 part ex car outside Porsche franchise with steel brakes and no lift. Not 1 owner.
Still at premium over list price ££.
I looked at this one but can confirm its no lift. Was a deal breaker.Pushing 8k mile early run 2017 part ex car outside Porsche franchise with steel brakes and no lift. Not 1 owner.
Still at premium over list price ££.
Another example of a no brainer option and a car without is worth over £1.5k less than one with, furthermore is much more difficult to sell.
Or simply ring any OPC 991.1 or 2 GT3 buyer they will confirm.
Maxym said:
Out of interest, is the Touring spec simply the deletion of the rear wing or does it have more sound insulation and 'standard' glass (and/or anything else along those lines)?
Touring is actually quite noisy similar to the 911R compared to the winged GT3 which is quieter. But the winged 991.2 GT3 is noisier than the 991.1 with far less sound insulation.Touring has a softer road bias set up compared to the more track focused firmish winged GT3.
Edited by av185 on Monday 5th October 12:41
av185 said:
Worth mentioning there is nothing wrong of course with speccing the car how you like its a free world as we all know.
Problem is and what we are concerned with on this thread as 911R rightly says is many folks spec their cars poorly or ott without taking appropriate advice on the basis they will keep the car forever and even the children will inherit it lol then after 18 months decide they want something else entirely so get a relatively bad deal come sale time.
Best advice as ever is be savvy always take advice re spec and spec your car for yourself BUT also with one eye on the market so if you want to sell you get the best deal.
Yet I see so many folks who struggle on resale and then moan by getting raped financially simply due to lack of/bad advice/knowledge about which items to spec and those things to leave off.
Applies to most cars esp £100k+ not just Porsche GTs.
That’s pretty much sums it up, D. I agree totally.Problem is and what we are concerned with on this thread as 911R rightly says is many folks spec their cars poorly or ott without taking appropriate advice on the basis they will keep the car forever and even the children will inherit it lol then after 18 months decide they want something else entirely so get a relatively bad deal come sale time.
Best advice as ever is be savvy always take advice re spec and spec your car for yourself BUT also with one eye on the market so if you want to sell you get the best deal.
Yet I see so many folks who struggle on resale and then moan by getting raped financially simply due to lack of/bad advice/knowledge about which items to spec and those things to leave off.
Applies to most cars esp £100k+ not just Porsche GTs.
My Gen1 had 18 way comfort seats, steels, no clubsport either.
By heck, did I regret the spec, HELL YES. It was ( for me ) a complete cock up.
My Gen 2, has buckets, PCCB, LED’s, the cage etc etc. that has made the ownership rewards so much better, again for me.
For me, feels and looks like a GT3 should
Bot of the above PDK, no, I wouldn’t change if I could to the manual
Each to their own though.
throt said:
av185 said:
Worth mentioning there is nothing wrong of course with speccing the car how you like its a free world as we all know.
Problem is and what we are concerned with on this thread as 911R rightly says is many folks spec their cars poorly or ott without taking appropriate advice on the basis they will keep the car forever and even the children will inherit it lol then after 18 months decide they want something else entirely so get a relatively bad deal come sale time.
Best advice as ever is be savvy always take advice re spec and spec your car for yourself BUT also with one eye on the market so if you want to sell you get the best deal.
Yet I see so many folks who struggle on resale and then moan by getting raped financially simply due to lack of/bad advice/knowledge about which items to spec and those things to leave off.
Applies to most cars esp £100k+ not just Porsche GTs.
That’s pretty much sums it up, D. I agree totally.Problem is and what we are concerned with on this thread as 911R rightly says is many folks spec their cars poorly or ott without taking appropriate advice on the basis they will keep the car forever and even the children will inherit it lol then after 18 months decide they want something else entirely so get a relatively bad deal come sale time.
Best advice as ever is be savvy always take advice re spec and spec your car for yourself BUT also with one eye on the market so if you want to sell you get the best deal.
Yet I see so many folks who struggle on resale and then moan by getting raped financially simply due to lack of/bad advice/knowledge about which items to spec and those things to leave off.
Applies to most cars esp £100k+ not just Porsche GTs.
My Gen1 had 18 way comfort seats, steels, no clubsport either.
By heck, did I regret the spec, HELL YES. It was ( for me ) a complete cock up.
My Gen 2, has buckets, PCCB, LED’s, the cage etc etc. that has made the ownership rewards so much better, again for me.
For me, feels and looks like a GT3 should
Bot of the above PDK, no, I wouldn’t change if I could to the manual
Each to their own though.
Hope you are keeping well.
av185 said:
Touring is actually quite noisy similar to the 911R compared to the winged GT3 which is quieter. But the winged 991.2 GT3 is noisier than the 991.1 with far less sound insulation.
Touring has a softer road bias set up compared to the more track focused firmish winged GT3.
Thanks. Sounds a bit arse about face... but there we are. On the basis of what you've said I won't be able to sell to Mrs M the idea of a Touring either. Touring has a softer road bias set up compared to the more track focused firmish winged GT3.
Edited by av185 on Monday 5th October 12:41
Porsche911R said:
sort of true but sort of bks :-)
you have a pool of people buying cars it's 100% of people if those 100% are in the market for a 991.2 GT3.
AV185 halo spec car is utter bks of course, but it does attract a pool of say 45% buyers from the 100% in the market.
the AB cars as an example, now this is all made up but it's about a pool of buyers for a car and how that gets reduced quite fast.
1: PDK say is 40% buyers, so already we have lost 60% of our pool of people with money to spend.
2: steel brakes loses may be 60% of that pool.
so from 100% we are quickly down to 16% buyers in the market for this car, but it don't stop there.
3: Colour will 1/2 that to 8%
4: folding buckets will half that again to 4%
5: of the 4% left 1 or 2 will want LED lights, and not want that red trim.
net result from 100% buyers are 2% left in the running for the car.
now take a Steel braked manual car of which is a good seller, BUT NOT AV185 halo spec.
1: 60% buyers want manual say
2: 1/2 those dismiss pccb.
you are left with a 30% pool of buyers which is not bad if the car has LED,LIFT etc etc.
there is no such thing as a 100% car as even the gear box choice just about splits that in 1/2
what is an issue is too many unpopular options on the same car reduce the pool of buyers to such a small % it's hard to sell.
how many people want a PDK, comfort, steel braked, no lift, no LED, rodium colour car with no carbon and red air vents . ? 0.1% :-)
but like wise AV185 Halo spec Does not get you 100% buyers it's maybe 45% buyers but that's better than the AB car with 2% buyers.
only 4 manuals at OPC atm vs 13 PDK, 1 is touring one is comfort, the 2 manual PCCB cars are £133k and £135k !! it what it is.3
what we can see from sales of GT3's is a few options really kill the pool of buyers what ever tranny you pick.
Lift
LED's
brakes
trim
comfort
All reduce the pool of people for said car.
my cars a great spec for me , but from a pool of buyers is still only say a 35% pool of people who would want it.
35 %enough to demand top money though.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.ks :-)you have a pool of people buying cars it's 100% of people if those 100% are in the market for a 991.2 GT3.
AV185 halo spec car is utter b
ks of course, but it does attract a pool of say 45% buyers from the 100% in the market.the AB cars as an example, now this is all made up but it's about a pool of buyers for a car and how that gets reduced quite fast.
1: PDK say is 40% buyers, so already we have lost 60% of our pool of people with money to spend.
2: steel brakes loses may be 60% of that pool.
so from 100% we are quickly down to 16% buyers in the market for this car, but it don't stop there.
3: Colour will 1/2 that to 8%
4: folding buckets will half that again to 4%
5: of the 4% left 1 or 2 will want LED lights, and not want that red trim.
net result from 100% buyers are 2% left in the running for the car.
now take a Steel braked manual car of which is a good seller, BUT NOT AV185 halo spec.
1: 60% buyers want manual say
2: 1/2 those dismiss pccb.
you are left with a 30% pool of buyers which is not bad if the car has LED,LIFT etc etc.
there is no such thing as a 100% car as even the gear box choice just about splits that in 1/2
what is an issue is too many unpopular options on the same car reduce the pool of buyers to such a small % it's hard to sell.
how many people want a PDK, comfort, steel braked, no lift, no LED, rodium colour car with no carbon and red air vents . ? 0.1% :-)
but like wise AV185 Halo spec Does not get you 100% buyers it's maybe 45% buyers but that's better than the AB car with 2% buyers.
only 4 manuals at OPC atm vs 13 PDK, 1 is touring one is comfort, the 2 manual PCCB cars are £133k and £135k !! it what it is.3
what we can see from sales of GT3's is a few options really kill the pool of buyers what ever tranny you pick.
Lift
LED's
brakes
trim
comfort
All reduce the pool of people for said car.
my cars a great spec for me , but from a pool of buyers is still only say a 35% pool of people who would want it.
35 %enough to demand top money though.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 5th October 12:07
Robbo66 said:
Well well, usual suspects talking up own agenda.
Trade on these is £110 - £115 for good spec manual cars.
odd that I got offered £119 trade then last week ! and that's for a buy out not even a SOR.Trade on these is £110 - £115 for good spec manual cars.
As always the spread is about £25k on a 991.2 GT3 atm depending on, age, spec and miles.
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