Can you buy a decent spec 991.2 GT3 for under £120K?
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Porsche911R said:
Its bulls
t, a slot is a car you Can spec. You cannot get slots on lots of cars, cancled orders is a whole new ball game and in The main flippers noting no overs on GT4. Ask them for a PDK GT4 new slot and see what they say then lol.
Yes I agree to a certain pointt, a slot is a car you Can spec. You cannot get slots on lots of cars, cancled orders is a whole new ball game and in The main flippers noting no overs on GT4. Ask them for a PDK GT4 new slot and see what they say then lol.I was offered a slot for a manual GT4 but it was a cancelled slot. SO I could spec that car as I wished. The problemm was it would not arrive tlll January and could be subject to any Brexit Taxes
Now If lots of people are cancelling orders then is it not possible that slots will appear as those waiting may take up the cancelled orders or even a cancelled slot but not one that is locked in.
Whatever way you look at it , you are the one saying it is going to be doom and gloom come December / January for Gt4's
Are you now saying we are on a boom for the same cars
Spyders I can understand the demand for and as such not many slots left
Nuttcase said:
You're not sure which dealer offered you a car??
At the time no. It was on an whats app a another person on here sent me. Once they told me it was going to be a Jan delivery and subject to a possible Brexit tax I took it no further. The guy had specced a lovely Green Cayman GT4 . If you want to know I can look it up as it will be on whats app I have phoned quite a lot of dealers to be fair so keeping track of things is not easy especially when your memory is and as mine and you are talking used 981 , 718 and possible new cars . Last 2 weeks have been hectic
EvoSid said:
Nuttcase said:
You're not sure which dealer offered you a car??
At the time no. It was on an whats app a another person on here sent me. Once they told me it was going to be a Jan delivery and subject to a possible Brexit tax I took it no further. The guy had specced a lovely Green Cayman GT4 . If you want to know I can look it up as it will be on whats app I have phoned quite a lot of dealers to be fair so keeping track of things is not easy especially when your memory is and as mine and you are talking used 981 , 718 and possible new cars . Last 2 weeks have been hectic
Hope that tears things up Nuttcase.
The Porsche code was PMDHXPB4 on the original car and it was a very nice spec, just a shame it was gong to be subject to a possible Brexit tax
Porsche911R said:
No idea, I was offered a slot also, but could not spec it, so declined as the car was > 100k !!!
What I cannot get is a free slot of any of the cars I want.
And as loads of people cannot walk in and ask for a GT4 slot as seen on this forum, then there are no real empty slots.
Not worried about the brexit thing myself. Just want to order a car and cannot. Which makes me think Porsche have zero issues with empty spaces on their production lines.
I wonder if cancelled orders people loose their £5k when push comes to shove now.
I have not said doom and gloom, I said 981 prices need to drop as used cars grow weekly, now 46 981 GT4 for sale !
718is save place to put money imo over any other car, a Spyder would even be a free car, and a GTS would again be ok if you keep it 3/4 years which I would this time. £5k pa to run these cars is cheap and they won,t drop £20k in 4 years.
See my previous post as they had. cancelled slot that at the time that allowed you to change the spec. Nt sure if they have it still or not, but contact details were Micahel Cromwell tel. 01223872872 not sure what dealer it was , but it was in Englandshire for sure What I cannot get is a free slot of any of the cars I want.
And as loads of people cannot walk in and ask for a GT4 slot as seen on this forum, then there are no real empty slots.
Not worried about the brexit thing myself. Just want to order a car and cannot. Which makes me think Porsche have zero issues with empty spaces on their production lines.
I wonder if cancelled orders people loose their £5k when push comes to shove now.
I have not said doom and gloom, I said 981 prices need to drop as used cars grow weekly, now 46 981 GT4 for sale !
718is save place to put money imo over any other car, a Spyder would even be a free car, and a GTS would again be ok if you keep it 3/4 years which I would this time. £5k pa to run these cars is cheap and they won,t drop £20k in 4 years.
Again not sure if tis a a silly question but is a build slot for GT4 car changeable for a Spyder ? Or is it different slots for different cars ?
Deansfield said:
Oh dear so now it’s brexit !
For me it was as paying an extra £10k was just not an option.I am not a rich person , unlike many on here.
I ma not a serial Porsche owner , in fact this will be my first Porsche since I briefly owned one about 20 years ago.
I started off with an ideal budget of £60-65K so buying a car at £90K was a stretch for me but doable as business has been very good this year
I will need financing on it unlike most people on here and not sure if want a huge monthly repayment as I prefer HP rather than a loan with a balloon. Better you own something after the term than having to find a large amount of cash.
Sometime you just have to be a realist and be honest with your self and know when something is getting out of hand.
So there you have it. Make of it what you want but I try to live within my means rather than buying cars to please others or post on social media
av185 said:
Possible 10% hard Brexit tax is a real threat to new car sales not only in terms of further restricting already falling supply but will have an obvious affect on used prices especially late stuff/nearly new.
I wonder how many have cancelled due to this? It could be a hefty bill and not one many would be happy to pay willingly initially. Over time it will be the norm and people may just accept itI wonder wha it will do for used prices
Porsche911R said:
We buy in more than we export, the EU needs our business, there imo will be no 10% duty to pay.
Is this not the lie Brexit was originally sold to us "The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.” – Liam Fox
“Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO’s of Mercedes, BMW, VW and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding that there be no barriers to German access to the British market” – David Davis
So far nothing has happened and I am not is sure it will and we may face import duties initially until things get sorted out , if they do
Porsche911R said:
We buy in more than we export, the EU needs our business, there imo will be no 10% duty to pay.
Just think about this statement for a minute pleaseWe sell very little to the Eu so they will happily tax us to teach us a lesson for daring to leave and give a huge warning to other countries.
They do not want us to tax their goods but Boris and co will feel if the EU taxes British goods they will have to tax EU goods
At present we HAVE TO tax all NON EU goods as we are part of the being in the EU, hence import duties on non EU goods.
Ultimately once we leave we can do as we please but in a trade war it is usually like a nuclear war. One sides fires it's missiles first and the other side fires back . That is what could happen. They tax us so we tax the Look at what Trump has done with China, Ultimately the consumer loses as they have to pay the taxes.
Boris and Co will hope the EU will lose more than we will as they sell more to us than we do to them and as such come to some sort of deal, but why should they and why have they not already after 4 years ?
But lets see what 31st of December brings as I imagine any deal will be last minute
Dammit said:
There's an astonishing degree of misinformation in this thread - chaps, the "German car makers will save us from ourselves" trope is long dead.
At the moment it looks like the Cummings-Johnson administration is about to capitulate, holding onto Fish as their "win", but giving up on everything else, so we may not see tariffs on German cars - but there will certainly be tariffs on UK built cars as none of the volume brands (Nissan etc) make enough of each car here to qualify for the FTA rates. This isn't tit-for-tat, it's just how the rules of trade work, especially when you're the weaker party.
This is why Nissan has written to the government requesting that the UK tax-payer funds the tariffs that they'll incur selling into Europe - something that Frost is about to make impossible (unless we break another International treaty, which we do now sadly have form for) by giving up on the state aid demand in exchange for fish.
On the subject of fish are not a lot of the fish quotas legally sold to foreign fisherman and even after Brexit they will still be legally allowed to fish here as they have legally bought the rights to do so. Or are we going to buy those back with state aid as well and make more fisherman millionaires like we did when we gave many grandfather rights quotas which they sold for millions At the moment it looks like the Cummings-Johnson administration is about to capitulate, holding onto Fish as their "win", but giving up on everything else, so we may not see tariffs on German cars - but there will certainly be tariffs on UK built cars as none of the volume brands (Nissan etc) make enough of each car here to qualify for the FTA rates. This isn't tit-for-tat, it's just how the rules of trade work, especially when you're the weaker party.
This is why Nissan has written to the government requesting that the UK tax-payer funds the tariffs that they'll incur selling into Europe - something that Frost is about to make impossible (unless we break another International treaty, which we do now sadly have form for) by giving up on the state aid demand in exchange for fish.
GT4P said:
Not wanting to derail post but as a leaver I hoped for the old common market style agreement without the political crap that's currently associated with the EU and its overpaid cronies that John Major took us into , trade amongst close neighbours is always a good thing!
I am a strong remainer and would like to ask you as a leaver is what is currently happening what you expected and voted for?It certainly is what I as a remainer feared would happen.
Edited by EvoSid on Monday 12th October 02:25
Dammit said:
The EU have, since the 2016 referendum, grown their total exports by more than the total value of exports to GB. They've literally replaced us.
Those who think that our purchasing gives us leverage are correct - but it's minor, and it's nothing compared to the risk of allowing us back-door entry to the single market.
If you think about it, what makes the EU a superpower? It's not military might, nor resources - it's the single market.
Any threat to it is existential, and to think that Merkel, Macron et al would destroy their golden goose to save Johnsons blushes at the behest of German car makers is, frankly, crackers.
And given that we're mid U-turn on our redlines they won't have to. Question is whether Johnson will stay on to sell the latest capitulation as another brilliant victory, or if we get Prime Minister Patel sooner rather than later. God help us all.
Add to that it is NOT in the interest of the German car makers to allow Britain free access as the fear is that cheap Chinese cars will be imported into the Uk by means of a UK - Chineese deal and then sold in the EU via the UK. Something the Eu has been fitting hard against Those who think that our purchasing gives us leverage are correct - but it's minor, and it's nothing compared to the risk of allowing us back-door entry to the single market.
If you think about it, what makes the EU a superpower? It's not military might, nor resources - it's the single market.
Any threat to it is existential, and to think that Merkel, Macron et al would destroy their golden goose to save Johnsons blushes at the behest of German car makers is, frankly, crackers.
And given that we're mid U-turn on our redlines they won't have to. Question is whether Johnson will stay on to sell the latest capitulation as another brilliant victory, or if we get Prime Minister Patel sooner rather than later. God help us all.
So I fear we will end up
Dammit said:
The EU have, since the 2016 referendum, grown their total exports by more than the total value of exports to GB. They've literally replaced us.
Those who think that our purchasing gives us leverage are correct - but it's minor, and it's nothing compared to the risk of allowing us back-door entry to the single market.
If you think about it, what makes the EU a superpower? It's not military might, nor resources - it's the single market.
Any threat to it is existential, and to think that Merkel, Macron et al would destroy their golden goose to save Johnsons blushes at the behest of German car makers is, frankly, crackers.
And given that we're mid U-turn on our redlines they won't have to. Question is whether Johnson will stay on to sell the latest capitulation as another brilliant victory, or if we get Prime Minister Patel sooner rather than later. God help us all.
Add to that it is NOT in the interests of the German car makers to allow Britain free access to the EU as the fear is that cheap Chinese cars will be imported into the UK by means of a UK - Chinese deal and then sold into the EU via the UK, thereby giving China a backdoor entrance into Europe . Something the Eu has been fitting hard against Those who think that our purchasing gives us leverage are correct - but it's minor, and it's nothing compared to the risk of allowing us back-door entry to the single market.
If you think about it, what makes the EU a superpower? It's not military might, nor resources - it's the single market.
Any threat to it is existential, and to think that Merkel, Macron et al would destroy their golden goose to save Johnsons blushes at the behest of German car makers is, frankly, crackers.
And given that we're mid U-turn on our redlines they won't have to. Question is whether Johnson will stay on to sell the latest capitulation as another brilliant victory, or if we get Prime Minister Patel sooner rather than later. God help us all.
So I fear we will end up with no deal and then it is up to our incompetent leaders to come up with taxes etc.
Melvynr said:
From the very offset when fish quota was being sold D.E.F.R.A. always stated that the fish belongs to the UK and can be pulled back in no matter who thinks they own it. The UK could have new fishing limits after Brexit and leave no foreign owners of fish quota access to fish it.
Being a fisherman myself, it is my opinion that there will be very little change if any, fish will be a huge bargaining power on behalf of the UK as Spain, France, Germany and Belgium depend on it as well as European markets.
There are many things our government could and should have done, but reasons only they can explain they have not done them. Being a fisherman myself, it is my opinion that there will be very little change if any, fish will be a huge bargaining power on behalf of the UK as Spain, France, Germany and Belgium depend on it as well as European markets.
I think the people who have bought these quotas will probably see legal action / compensation from the people hat sold them as the quota is an annual thing as far as I know . So it could be the very fisherman who wanted control of our fishing could be the ones who suffer. To be honest I am not sure how it will plat out but I fear as you do that fishing will be used as a bargaining tool for access to free trade with the EU. But will the EU move form there position, and why should they ?
GT4P said:
We have a workforce it's called the unemployed etc! If you removed all benefits there would be no need for a European workforce to work on our farms etc. But sadly the rot set in a long time ago and Britain as a nation has become lazy courtesy of the welfare state! You can add to that an education system that even allows even the thick to go to university who end up too entitled to do a manual job and instead end up on the dole or working in McDonald's , what a complete waist!
Unemployment is hitting the young the hardest yet young Europeans are able to come to the UK and find work and many build a life for themselves buying there own homes etc. Back in the 80s I worked on farms picking fruit in Australia it was long hours,hard graft but good money for someone in there 20s.
Brexit is not the only problem at the moment to affect car prices, covid and the fact world economy was retracting pre covid who really knows what 2021 will bring but it doesn't look pretty
Interesting the the Europeans are happy to come here yet our young unemployed are not inclined to get off their back sides to do workUnemployment is hitting the young the hardest yet young Europeans are able to come to the UK and find work and many build a life for themselves buying there own homes etc. Back in the 80s I worked on farms picking fruit in Australia it was long hours,hard graft but good money for someone in there 20s.
Brexit is not the only problem at the moment to affect car prices, covid and the fact world economy was retracting pre covid who really knows what 2021 will bring but it doesn't look pretty
I agree until the welfare system is cut back such that working is better than sit-in on ones arse and getting benefits we will not fill these vacancies that the europeans did. Most are leaving or have left and farmers and fish processors have struggled this year to get staff to do the work the europeans were happy to do. This in turn has led to a decrease in the rents on buy to let properties and this in turn will have a knock on effect
Ok so Brexit aside
Any good links to GT3's ?
Market seems to be softening recently
Also what is the bare minimum spec a GT3 should have so we can use that as a basis to determine if any links are cars worth buying if they have this minimum spec or not worth buying if they do not have this spec
Any good links to GT3's ?
Market seems to be softening recently
Also what is the bare minimum spec a GT3 should have so we can use that as a basis to determine if any links are cars worth buying if they have this minimum spec or not worth buying if they do not have this spec
Cheib said:
For me if a car doesn’t have those “must haves” I personally wouldn’t buy it and cars thus equipped are the most expensive. So I’d say if you can find a car with those items and a few of the nice to haves for less than £120k its a cheap car as we stand today.
Is no LED's really a deal breaker for a GT3 ? Andy OH said:
There's a time and a plaice for that kind of malarkay 
, let's get back on topic....Evo Sid, are you buying a 991.2 GT3 or a GT4 981 or 718 variant??
Still only interested in 1 car GT4, let's get back on topic....Evo Sid, are you buying a 991.2 GT3 or a GT4 981 or 718 variant?? But with the rain we have had lately not sure buying one just nw is a good idea a as temptation will mean I will want to drive it and lack of skill will probably mean a disaster on the scale of Top Gear last night lol
So I will keep looking as 911R has wisely said that more cars will come on the market and the price will drop and two be fair he is right
Many , but not all , GT4 cars not selling on autotrader
Some people don't want to sell to me as "I live to far away". One guy wanted to sell his car I met his asking price but wanted the deal done on a Sunday. I mean come on how the hell do I do near £70K transition on a Sunday FFS . Another said it was easier to just trade his GT4 in for a 991 GTS at a dealer .
So being me ( 1/2 Asian and 1/2 Scottish = Tighter than super glue) I will keep to my budget and just wait til the right car comes up
Also have a couple of personal issues going on ( brother in Law has cancer but getting better and one of staff's son was involved on a bad crash and he is in a coma in ICU and his passenger is dead has shook me up a bit TBH )
But will keep you all posted as I am ermined ( but not in a hurry anymore) to get a nice Gt4
Edited by EvoSid on Monday 12th October 19:39
Porsche911R said:
he is not buying a car now :-)
It is all your fault you told me to wait till December as there will be many to chose Forman lots of bargainsThe river will run with honey and gold.
So far definitely prices coming down and more choice, but rivers just overflowing with rain that has not stopped for last 2 weeks I think
Cheib said:
I live in an area with no street lights so to me it is important as I do sometimes go for an evening drive. I also got carried away when I specced mine so maybe I am not the best person to ask 
When these cars were new a good spec car would have been about £130k....with some cars getting up to £140k. Base price was circa £110k.
I suppose what I would say about those “must haves” is that it’s that spec that gets the top money. If you don’t want/need it that’s great as there’s more cars to choose from and you may get a car slightly cheaper.
I know what you mean about the lights. I stay in a small village and once out the village there is no lights and a good set of lights are great but I find Xenon ok but obviously Led is far superior When these cars were new a good spec car would have been about £130k....with some cars getting up to £140k. Base price was circa £110k.I suppose what I would say about those “must haves” is that it’s that spec that gets the top money. If you don’t want/need it that’s great as there’s more cars to choose from and you may get a car slightly cheaper.
Porsche911R said:
well we have gone from 3* something 981 GT4 to 46 on AT so def more cars.
No nice ones yet under £67k though imo but then none are selling either.
But I would still go for a 718 GT4 under list from an OPC in your shoes at £85k unless you can get into a manual 991.2 GT3.
Do you really think the new 718 is worth the extra? I am swaying towards a newer one and one has come up but it has no Dual climate which I would really like . But dealer is willing to negotiate ( a little ) on price. But we are still talking £94K No nice ones yet under £67k though imo but then none are selling either.
But I would still go for a 718 GT4 under list from an OPC in your shoes at £85k unless you can get into a manual 991.2 GT3.
Let me know what you think of this spec as it is coming into Uk for end of the month
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58 Black leather interior with extensive items in
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519 ‘PORSCHE’ logo painted in Satin Black
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Edited by EvoSid on Monday 12th October 18:54
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