Any decent 997.1 GT3's on the market?
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
Nothing wrong with a comfort but IMO A GTS is a better car if you are after a road only touring 997 model, better road engine, lower ratio's and comforts + sell like hot cakes and £10k less again. Comfort GT market 2nd hand is very tiny if it's even there at all it's 0.5 % buyers.
been a few realy nice comfort cars come for sale but are still for sale.
Sorry, but we'll have to disagree on this. The Mezger is a fabulous engine full stop. I've owned both gen1 and gen 2 (dfi) 997's, and regardless of where I use it (and the rev-range), I find the engine in the GT3 better in every way than the M97/9A1. The dfi engines are so linear that they lack character (comparatively) in my view, and if I were to pick-up another 997 C2 I'd take an M96/7 over the 9A1 (despite the known issues) - for £30k less than a GTS. I think the GTS is a great car, but it's a C2S with an X51 pack, and PITA centre-locks. The GT3 in comparison is worth way more than the £10k difference you mention (if that's the case) for the engine alone (not despite it!), before considering any of the other myriad things that elevate the GT3 as a driver's tool.been a few realy nice comfort cars come for sale but are still for sale.
Besides, unless your plan is to solely do track days, and to trailer the car there, by far the biggest proportion of usage will be done on the road, and that's my point: Very few people track these things nowadays, but "everyone" wants the buckets and cage, yet for the 90% road use most will see they're easier to live with in comfort spec'.
I'd say the biggest compromise involved in using the 7.1 GT3 on the road is suspension travel, not the powertrain in the slightest (which for me, only adds huge entertainment and delight to the experience) - and that's where a C2/GTS starts to offer some advantages some of the time, but at the expense of response/feel all of the time.
D.no said:
Sorry, but we'll have to disagree on this. The Mezger is a fabulous engine full stop. I've owned both gen1 and gen 2 (dfi) 997's, and regardless of where I use it (and the rev-range), I find the engine in the GT3 better in every way than the M97/9A1. The dfi engines are so linear that they lack character (comparatively) in my view, and if I were to pick-up another 997 C2 I'd take an M96/7 over the 9A1 (despite the known issues) - for £30k less than a GTS. I think the GTS is a great car, but it's a C2S with an X51 pack, and PITA centre-locks. The GT3 in comparison is worth way more than the £10k difference you mention (if that's the case) for the engine alone (not despite it!), before considering any of the other myriad things that elevate the GT3 as a driver's tool.
Besides, unless your plan is to solely do track days, and to trailer the car there, by far the biggest proportion of usage will be done on the road, and that's my point: Very few people track these things nowadays, but "everyone" wants the buckets and cage, yet for the 90% road use most will see they're easier to live with in comfort spec'.
I'd say the biggest compromise involved in using the 7.1 GT3 on the road is suspension travel, not the powertrain in the slightest (which for me, only adds huge entertainment and delight to the experience) - and that's where a C2/GTS starts to offer some advantages some of the time, but at the expense of response/feel all of the time.
I love the x51 3.8 engine, and it was the best thing about owning my GTS. I hate GT3 gearing and a X51 car is faster at road speeds than the 997.1 GT3 as the gearing saps the life from it as a road car, it only works on track above 6k . Lucky we do have the option of the 4.0 short final drive to fit and any keen drivers seems to have swapped that ring and pinion out. I cannot get excited by the Mezger after owning the new 4.0l GT unit., it's just a engine which is over geared in current form.Besides, unless your plan is to solely do track days, and to trailer the car there, by far the biggest proportion of usage will be done on the road, and that's my point: Very few people track these things nowadays, but "everyone" wants the buckets and cage, yet for the 90% road use most will see they're easier to live with in comfort spec'.
I'd say the biggest compromise involved in using the 7.1 GT3 on the road is suspension travel, not the powertrain in the slightest (which for me, only adds huge entertainment and delight to the experience) - and that's where a C2/GTS starts to offer some advantages some of the time, but at the expense of response/feel all of the time.
But the x51 lump is a amazing exciting engine imo which revs off the limit and just makes power to you change gear.
My issue with the 997 GT3 are
1: PASM bouncy as **** and turned on unusable imho.
2: long gearing and daft in gear speeds in 3rd for the UK road use to ever get from 6k to 8200revs on public roads often.
hence 2 main items on my future (I hope ) project to change on day one.
I would rather mod a 997.2 GTS to be fair if they were cheaper, but at todays prices too expensive, but the engine and gearing are great so a lot of money saved there.
£2.5k also to ditch the centre locks though.
997.1 GT3 is a sweet spot in power and weight and size, just needs a few things doing to it to make it more fun in the UK.
I think my build sheet is circa £36k for a CS car and > £40k on a comfort if I need to by seats etc.
997.2 GTS I would leave the drive train add a duck tail, Fuch's wheels, Recaro poles, some shocks, RSS stage 2 kit , bypass pipe and call it a day.
have a bit of a retro look and enjoy that x51 unit. A GT3 would be no more a drivers tool that a modded GTS imo.
If I am doing a 997.1 GT3 project then I am going all out on it. bar Carbon pannels.
Porsche911R said:
my build sheet is circa £36k for a CS car and > £40k on a comfort if I need to by seats etc.
Like this 997.2 GT3: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10586702?c...JZM said:
997.2 GT3 Clubsport Supplied With A Fantastic Array Of Factory Options And Just Over £37,500 Worth Of Upgrades
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
I drive all my cars regularly and my motor bikes, I do not drive one of my classic cars as I bought it to look at if I’m being honest.
I’m not a car track day person and enjoy using my cars regularly on the road for what they are designed for. I do occasionally track and enter events on my bikes during the summer.
I have never bought a car to invest in. The reason I follow 997 gt3 prices closely is I would like to replace two of my cars for one. I’m yet to find one that I personally think is suitable, I would like to think this future purchase will be a keeper like one of my other cars is.
No right or wrong Braddo we are all different, some track day them, some drive the ass off them on the road, some bought to invest, some buy a new car every year.
There are many poster on here all a little different, some clearly have knowledge on driving, some think they do, some who say they know the prefect spec car and what sells and what doesn’t.
It would be very boring place if these people where all the same.
"I’m yet to find one that I personally think is suitable" ?I’m not a car track day person and enjoy using my cars regularly on the road for what they are designed for. I do occasionally track and enter events on my bikes during the summer.
I have never bought a car to invest in. The reason I follow 997 gt3 prices closely is I would like to replace two of my cars for one. I’m yet to find one that I personally think is suitable, I would like to think this future purchase will be a keeper like one of my other cars is.
No right or wrong Braddo we are all different, some track day them, some drive the ass off them on the road, some bought to invest, some buy a new car every year.
There are many poster on here all a little different, some clearly have knowledge on driving, some think they do, some who say they know the prefect spec car and what sells and what doesn’t.
It would be very boring place if these people where all the same.
been some good cars now though, 2 atm look good, and the MJ car looked good, what's stopping you buying one ?
If you made an offer on the private red one that was already under priced imo.
there are a few people on here who want to rob a car off some one and keep putting in low ball offer's, are you one of those ?
having sold quite a lot of cars to PH members you get to know who these people are.
the prices are right as there have been 5 cars sold pretty fast. The private Kent cars looks mint and the new OPC car looks mint !
why are neither of those suitable ? out of interest.
you talk the 991.2 GT3 down but only one manual left at OPC now, but you keep saying PDK no difference but loads of them for sale. !
So I do find your posts a bit strange as you have not bought anything.
I am always buying stuff.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 22 October 08:50
The opc is sliver, I personally don’t want a silver car, I can’t comment on the other white one you mention as I haven’t seen or viewed it.
Like many of us I’m happy to pay the market rate for the correct car, with the correct history and correct condition. Your comment on robbing cars is comical as I have historically bought from my cars from my opc and you never steel a car from a opc which I’m sure you will be aware.
I haven’t talked 991.2 gt3 market prices down all I asked and pointed out is that 991.2 gt3 are now available sub 120k retail. I personally think that is a great buy compared to the highs which will allow more
owners into the product.
The reason I want a 997 gt3 is I owned a 997.2 s for a few years which was a great car and very different to my current 991.2 4s. Not that there’s anything Wrong with my current 911.2, it’s a great car and very usable everyday.
What 5 cars have sold pretty fast?
The black comfort jzm car?
The white Cs one you speak of?
What other 3 have sold fast?
Edited by GT4RS on Thursday 22 October 11:59
Slippydiff said:
Porsche911R said:
"I’m yet to find one that I personally think is suitable" ?
been some good cars now though, 2 atm look good, and the MJ car looked good, what's stopping you buying one ?
If you made an offer on the private red one that was already under priced imo.
there are a few people on here who want to rob a car off some one and keep putting in low ball offer's, are you one of those ?
having sold quite a lot of cars to PH members you get to know who these people are.
the prices are right as there have been 5 cars sold pretty fast. The private Kent cars looks mint and the new OPC car looks mint !
why are neither of those suitable ? out of interest.
you talk the 991.2 GT3 down but only one manual left at OPC now, but you keep saying PDK no difference but loads of them for sale. !
So I do find your posts a bit strange as you have not bought anything.
I am alwaysbuying stuff telling people how they should do stuff.
EFA. Yes I think we've all noticed that David been some good cars now though, 2 atm look good, and the MJ car looked good, what's stopping you buying one ?
If you made an offer on the private red one that was already under priced imo.
there are a few people on here who want to rob a car off some one and keep putting in low ball offer's, are you one of those ?
having sold quite a lot of cars to PH members you get to know who these people are.
the prices are right as there have been 5 cars sold pretty fast. The private Kent cars looks mint and the new OPC car looks mint !
why are neither of those suitable ? out of interest.
you talk the 991.2 GT3 down but only one manual left at OPC now, but you keep saying PDK no difference but loads of them for sale. !
So I do find your posts a bit strange as you have not bought anything.
I am always
Perhaps he has a budget and is sticking to it (a bit like you have a budget for the mythical 997.1 GT3 you're going to buy). Added to which, over the coming months there will most likely be some distress sales of GT3's of all shapes and sizes ... For those prepared to wait, there'll no doubt be some bargains.
Quite frankly what value someone else attaches to a car they're interested in buying, and is prepared to pay for it, is their business. IF they come on here and ask very specifically what the other forum members think it's worth AND what they should pay for it, that's an entirely different matter altogether
Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 22 October 10:16
Porsche911R said:
I love the x51 3.8 engine, and it was the best thing about owning my GTS. I hate GT3 gearing and a X51 car is faster at road speeds than the 997.1 GT3 as the gearing saps the life from it as a road car, it only works on track above 6k . Lucky we do have the option of the 4.0 short final drive to fit and any keen drivers seems to have swapped that ring and pinion out. I cannot get excited by the Mezger after owning the new 4.0l GT unit., it's just a engine which is over geared in current form.
But the x51 lump is a amazing exciting engine imo which revs off the limit and just makes power to you change gear.
My issue with the 997 GT3 are
1: PASM bouncy as **** and turned on unusable imho.
2: long gearing and daft in gear speeds in 3rd for the UK road use to ever get from 6k to 8200revs on public roads often.
Depends what you want, as always.But the x51 lump is a amazing exciting engine imo which revs off the limit and just makes power to you change gear.
My issue with the 997 GT3 are
1: PASM bouncy as **** and turned on unusable imho.
2: long gearing and daft in gear speeds in 3rd for the UK road use to ever get from 6k to 8200revs on public roads often.
If you don't like the Mezger below 6k rpm, other gears (and cars/engines) are available.
Default mode for me when pressing on is to have the PASM in sport mode. Sure, my head bounces off the headliner at times (and I'm only a little-un), but I prefer the increased body control, and it lessens the the tendency to push in lower speed corners to the point where the car becomes almost perfectly balanced between front and rear grip, and mid-corner throttle adjustability becomes very intuitive.
For me, the 997 is a classic car - a snapshot of a specific era in Porsche's recent history that I happen to believe was a sweet spot for keen driver's, but it's not going to be fast in comparison to modern stuff, and has room for improvement, and I accept that. I enjoy it because of it's foibles and limitations, not despite them. What it does do better in comparison to most modern stuff is offer real tactility, feedback, peaky power delivery (a good thing), character, and a sense of connection to what's going on at the contact patches. The 996 probably does all of this even better, but I find the 997 to be the most pleasing 911 to my eye, and that too is important for me.
If you're chasing speed and outright ability, maybe a 13 year old car, with an engine you dislike, gear ratio's you hate, and an unbearable suspension system is perhaps not the best starting point, given it'll seemingly take the best part of £40k to end up with something slower than your 991, and it will still have an engine that doesn't excite you.
D.no said:
Depends what you want, as always.
If you don't like the Mezger below 6k rpm, other gears (and cars/engines) are available.
Default mode for me when pressing on is to have the PASM in sport mode. Sure, my head bounces off the headliner at times (and I'm only a little-un), but I prefer the increased body control, and it lessens the the tendency to push in lower speed corners to the point where the car becomes almost perfectly balanced between front and rear grip, and mid-corner throttle adjustability becomes very intuitive.
For me, the 997 is a classic car - a snapshot of a specific era in Porsche's recent history that I happen to believe was a sweet spot for keen driver's, but it's not going to be fast in comparison to modern stuff, and has room for improvement, and I accept that. I enjoy it because of it's foibles and limitations, not despite them. What it does do better in comparison to most modern stuff is offer real tactility, feedback, peaky power delivery (a good thing), character, and a sense of connection to what's going on at the contact patches. The 996 probably does all of this even better, but I find the 997 to be the most pleasing 911 to my eye, and that too is important for me.
If you're chasing speed and outright ability, maybe a 13 year old car, with an engine you dislike, gear ratio's you hate, and an unbearable suspension system is perhaps not the best starting point, given it'll seemingly take the best part of £40k to end up with something slower than your 991, and it will still have an engine that doesn't excite you.
Or alternatively Sir could always buy a 987 Spyder or the fabled 987 Cayman R .... If you don't like the Mezger below 6k rpm, other gears (and cars/engines) are available.
Default mode for me when pressing on is to have the PASM in sport mode. Sure, my head bounces off the headliner at times (and I'm only a little-un), but I prefer the increased body control, and it lessens the the tendency to push in lower speed corners to the point where the car becomes almost perfectly balanced between front and rear grip, and mid-corner throttle adjustability becomes very intuitive.
For me, the 997 is a classic car - a snapshot of a specific era in Porsche's recent history that I happen to believe was a sweet spot for keen driver's, but it's not going to be fast in comparison to modern stuff, and has room for improvement, and I accept that. I enjoy it because of it's foibles and limitations, not despite them. What it does do better in comparison to most modern stuff is offer real tactility, feedback, peaky power delivery (a good thing), character, and a sense of connection to what's going on at the contact patches. The 996 probably does all of this even better, but I find the 997 to be the most pleasing 911 to my eye, and that too is important for me.
If you're chasing speed and outright ability, maybe a 13 year old car, with an engine you dislike, gear ratio's you hate, and an unbearable suspension system is perhaps not the best starting point, given it'll seemingly take the best part of £40k to end up with something slower than your 991, and it will still have an engine that doesn't excite you.
Oh, hold on second
The last 997 Gen 1 GT3 I bought back in 2010 (ish) had the CGT buckets and PCCB's. I'd planned to fit a set of Ohlins TTX's and a Sharkwerks 4.0 conversion (their 3.9 conversion had just been superceded) specifically as a fast road car.
I abandoned the idea as I felt it would've been gilding a lily that really didn't need gilding ...
Slippydiff said:
The last 997 Gen 1 GT3 I bought back in 2010 (ish) had the CGT buckets and PCCB's. I'd planned to fit a set of Ohlins TTX's and a Sharkwerks 4.0 conversion (their 3.9 conversion had just been superceded) specifically as a fast road car.
I abandoned the idea as I felt it would've been gilding a lily that really didn't need gilding ...
Very difficult to know where to go to with the suspension, whether on track or road, because you're spoiled for choice with Ohlins, K&W, Nitron, EXET-TC....I abandoned the idea as I felt it would've been gilding a lily that really didn't need gilding ...
Digga said:
Very difficult to know where to go to with the suspension, whether on track or road, because you're spoiled for choice with Ohlins, K&W, Nitron, EXET-TC....
Hi Marcus, I hope you're well ?If I'm honest, I thought the stock car, in fine fettle, was absolutely fine for the road, there seemed little point in trying to further hone it, ultimately it would've just been an object lesson in the law of diminishing returns.
For track use, I can see there is a case for improvement in the damping department (my choices would be Ohlins TTX or Nitrons), and replacing some of the rubber in the suspension for components that better locate the various suspension linkages, but as ever, every step taken towards removing the compromises for track use, introduces alternative compromises for road use ...
Having sold my second Gen 1 997 GT3, I toyed with the idea of buying a Gen 2 997 Turbo and making it into a sharper tool (chassis wise), but having driven a couple, they didn't really float my boat either !
Slippydiff said:
Hi Marcus, I hope you're well ?
If I'm honest, I thought the stock car, in fine fettle, was absolutely fine for the road, there seemed little point in trying to further hone it, ultimately it would've just been an object lesson in the law of diminishing returns.
For track use, I can see there is a case for improvement in the damping department (my choices would be Ohlins TTX or Nitrons), and replacing some of the rubber in the suspension for components that better locate the various suspension linkages, but as ever, every step taken towards removing the compromises for track use, introduces alternative compromises for road use ...
Having sold my second Gen 1 997 GT3, I toyed with the idea of buying a Gen 2 997 Turbo and making it into a sharper tool (chassis wise), but having driven a couple, they didn't really float my boat either !
Very well, thanks H!If I'm honest, I thought the stock car, in fine fettle, was absolutely fine for the road, there seemed little point in trying to further hone it, ultimately it would've just been an object lesson in the law of diminishing returns.
For track use, I can see there is a case for improvement in the damping department (my choices would be Ohlins TTX or Nitrons), and replacing some of the rubber in the suspension for components that better locate the various suspension linkages, but as ever, every step taken towards removing the compromises for track use, introduces alternative compromises for road use ...
Having sold my second Gen 1 997 GT3, I toyed with the idea of buying a Gen 2 997 Turbo and making it into a sharper tool (chassis wise), but having driven a couple, they didn't really float my boat either !
I'd agree the standard set up is pretty impressive TBF. A mate who's worked in the 'care industry' for yearswas staggered by how well my GT3 rode on crappy B-or Tarmac.
I like the idea of Nitron's remote reservoir and adjusters. Having experienced the joy of grubbing around in wheel arches in a soaking wet paddock (or worse still, having to remove wheels) trying to soften settings after rain arrived, I'm really not fond of having to go there again! the only issue I wonder is how 'spongy' the remote hoses make proceedings? On my Mtb shock, the slave reservoir piggy-backs straight onto the main shock.
Turbo is a very different animal. I think it would require a huge amount of fettling to get the sharpness of GT3 chassis and even then the throttle response is nowhere near the same. Fun, but never as sharp.
Digga said:
ery well, thanks H!
I'd agree the standard set up is pretty impressive TBF. A mate who's worked in the 'care industry' for yearswas staggered by how well my GT3 rode on crappy B-or Tarmac.
I like the idea of Nitron's remote reservoir and adjusters. Having experienced the joy of grubbing around in wheel arches in a soaking wet paddock (or worse still, having to remove wheels) trying to soften settings after rain arrived, I'm really not fond of having to go there again! the only issue I wonder is how 'spongy' the remote hoses make proceedings? On my Mtb shock, the slave reservoir piggy-backs straight onto the main shock.
Turbo is a very different animal. I think it would require a huge amount of fettling to get the sharpness of GT3 chassis and even then the throttle response is nowhere near the same. Fun, but never as sharp.
As you know all too well, the Turbo's shove is undeniable, and the 997's shove, once warmed through, was hugely impressive, and superb for dispatching queues of slow moving A road traffic. I'd agree the standard set up is pretty impressive TBF. A mate who's worked in the 'care industry' for yearswas staggered by how well my GT3 rode on crappy B-or Tarmac.
I like the idea of Nitron's remote reservoir and adjusters. Having experienced the joy of grubbing around in wheel arches in a soaking wet paddock (or worse still, having to remove wheels) trying to soften settings after rain arrived, I'm really not fond of having to go there again! the only issue I wonder is how 'spongy' the remote hoses make proceedings? On my Mtb shock, the slave reservoir piggy-backs straight onto the main shock.
Turbo is a very different animal. I think it would require a huge amount of fettling to get the sharpness of GT3 chassis and even then the throttle response is nowhere near the same. Fun, but never as sharp.
The chassis would never equal that of the GT3, but with some decent dampers and the careful selection of uprated bushes, I think you have the best of both worlds without going to the expense of a 997 GT2.
I found the refinement (it's relative term !!) was very tyre dependant on the GT3. On original Cup 1's it was horrible, on Supersports it was a lot more refined, but they needed the rear pressures increasing to take the squidge out of the sidewalls.
I'm with you on the remote cannisters, far easier to fight your way past the cage in the rear, or whip the scuttle covers off in the front, than to grub around inside the arches.
There is no doubt some increased hysteresis due to the flexibility in the walls of hydraulic hoses to the canisters, but as my ex-Moto GP damper technician mate once said to me, there's a damn sight more in all those rubber bushes in the various coffin, caster and camber arms ...
Really high end dampers should ideally be used in conjunction with stiction-free rose joints in everything, so in the big scheme of things, those remote hoses are the least of your problems !!
anonymous said:
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Engines are pretty much bullet proof. Rev range check/report and leakdown test will reveal any nasties. Gearboxes can, and do, get abused. Fixing borked synchros in them isn't cheap.The rest : ie brakes, clutch, suspension, diff, cooling system, HVAC, are all considered consumables.
Buy a cheap, tired one that's had deferred servicing and maintenance and it'll cost you dearly
.
As has been said previously in this thread, history and condition is everything if you're to avoid some chunky bills.
Digga said:
Slippydiff said:
The last 997 Gen 1 GT3 I bought back in 2010 (ish) had the CGT buckets and PCCB's. I'd planned to fit a set of Ohlins TTX's and a Sharkwerks 4.0 conversion (their 3.9 conversion had just been superceded) specifically as a fast road car.
I abandoned the idea as I felt it would've been gilding a lily that really didn't need gilding ...
Very difficult to know where to go to with the suspension, whether on track or road, because you're spoiled for choice with Ohlins, K&W, Nitron, EXET-TC....I abandoned the idea as I felt it would've been gilding a lily that really didn't need gilding ...
D.no said:
Porsche911R said:
I love the x51 3.8 engine, and it was the best thing about owning my GTS. I hate GT3 gearing and a X51 car is faster at road speeds than the 997.1 GT3 as the gearing saps the life from it as a road car, it only works on track above 6k . Lucky we do have the option of the 4.0 short final drive to fit and any keen drivers seems to have swapped that ring and pinion out. I cannot get excited by the Mezger after owning the new 4.0l GT unit., it's just a engine which is over geared in current form.
But the x51 lump is a amazing exciting engine imo which revs off the limit and just makes power to you change gear.
My issue with the 997 GT3 are
1: PASM bouncy as **** and turned on unusable imho.
2: long gearing and daft in gear speeds in 3rd for the UK road use to ever get from 6k to 8200revs on public roads often.
Depends what you want, as always.But the x51 lump is a amazing exciting engine imo which revs off the limit and just makes power to you change gear.
My issue with the 997 GT3 are
1: PASM bouncy as **** and turned on unusable imho.
2: long gearing and daft in gear speeds in 3rd for the UK road use to ever get from 6k to 8200revs on public roads often.
If you don't like the Mezger below 6k rpm, other gears (and cars/engines) are available.
Default mode for me when pressing on is to have the PASM in sport mode. Sure, my head bounces off the headliner at times (and I'm only a little-un), but I prefer the increased body control, and it lessens the the tendency to push in lower speed corners to the point where the car becomes almost perfectly balanced between front and rear grip, and mid-corner throttle adjustability becomes very intuitive.
For me, the 997 is a classic car - a snapshot of a specific era in Porsche's recent history that I happen to believe was a sweet spot for keen driver's, but it's not going to be fast in comparison to modern stuff, and has room for improvement, and I accept that. I enjoy it because of it's foibles and limitations, not despite them. What it does do better in comparison to most modern stuff is offer real tactility, feedback, peaky power delivery (a good thing), character, and a sense of connection to what's going on at the contact patches. The 996 probably does all of this even better, but I find the 997 to be the most pleasing 911 to my eye, and that too is important for me.
If you're chasing speed and outright ability, maybe a 13 year old car, with an engine you dislike, gear ratio's you hate, and an unbearable suspension system is perhaps not the best starting point, given it'll seemingly take the best part of £40k to end up with something slower than your 991, and it will still have an engine that doesn't excite you.
D.no said:
Depends what you want, as always.
If you don't like the Mezger below 6k rpm, other gears (and cars/engines) are available.
Default mode for me when pressing on is to have the PASM in sport mode. Sure, my head bounces off the headliner at times (and I'm only a little-un), but I prefer the increased body control, and it lessens the the tendency to push in lower speed corners to the point where the car becomes almost perfectly balanced between front and rear grip, and mid-corner throttle adjustability becomes very intuitive.
For me, the 997 is a classic car - a snapshot of a specific era in Porsche's recent history that I happen to believe was a sweet spot for keen driver's, but it's not going to be fast in comparison to modern stuff, and has room for improvement, and I accept that. I enjoy it because of it's foibles and limitations, not despite them. What it does do better in comparison to most modern stuff is offer real tactility, feedback, peaky power delivery (a good thing), character, and a sense of connection to what's going on at the contact patches. The 996 probably does all of this even better, but I find the 997 to be the most pleasing 911 to my eye, and that too is important for me.
If you're chasing speed and outright ability, maybe a 13 year old car, with an engine you dislike, gear ratio's you hate, and an unbearable suspension system is perhaps not the best starting point, given it'll seemingly take the best part of £40k to end up with something slower than your 991, and it will still have an engine that doesn't excite you.
If you miss my point and have a different view that’s ok.If you don't like the Mezger below 6k rpm, other gears (and cars/engines) are available.
Default mode for me when pressing on is to have the PASM in sport mode. Sure, my head bounces off the headliner at times (and I'm only a little-un), but I prefer the increased body control, and it lessens the the tendency to push in lower speed corners to the point where the car becomes almost perfectly balanced between front and rear grip, and mid-corner throttle adjustability becomes very intuitive.
For me, the 997 is a classic car - a snapshot of a specific era in Porsche's recent history that I happen to believe was a sweet spot for keen driver's, but it's not going to be fast in comparison to modern stuff, and has room for improvement, and I accept that. I enjoy it because of it's foibles and limitations, not despite them. What it does do better in comparison to most modern stuff is offer real tactility, feedback, peaky power delivery (a good thing), character, and a sense of connection to what's going on at the contact patches. The 996 probably does all of this even better, but I find the 997 to be the most pleasing 911 to my eye, and that too is important for me.
If you're chasing speed and outright ability, maybe a 13 year old car, with an engine you dislike, gear ratio's you hate, and an unbearable suspension system is perhaps not the best starting point, given it'll seemingly take the best part of £40k to end up with something slower than your 991, and it will still have an engine that doesn't excite you.
But I own a 2010 car and a 997.2 GTS is also a 2010 car and I ran a 996 GT3 :-), so know how they all drive and at 51 years old and 80 cars I know these days what I want from a car.
One mans peeky power delivery is another mans load of crap lol
I waited to buy my Exige back In the day until there was a remap which gave linearity in the power as it makes the car more drivable.
One mans bumpy steering is another mans view of a non compliant car.
I am not happy to put up with all these issues and the dire long gearing as it makes the car for me a crap drive and frustrating.
Hence when I do build a car, and btw I already built a 987.2 2010 car and it’s an amazing drive. If I do another it will be up a level over what I already own.
As for the 991.2 GT3 vs 997 yes it will be slower, that cars too fast but it,s an amazing car to drive, esp my one. (Modded) if there were no speed limits I would be happy to keep it.
Which again brings me back to your 3rd gear speed at peak revs in your car !!!
In my 996Gt3 is was ni on impossible to ever see top revs in 3rd
Like wise the 981 GT4 has the same issue , but it’s taken 10 years for jurno's and people to pick up on long gearing for some reason. ,!! And every review talks about it, and I was saying this 20 years ago !
Digga said:
Porsche911R said:
my build sheet is circa £36k for a CS car and > £40k on a comfort if I need to by seats etc.
Like this 997.2 GT3: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10586702?c...JZM said:
997.2 GT3 Clubsport Supplied With A Fantastic Array Of Factory Options And Just Over £37,500 Worth Of Upgrades
Digga said:
Porsche911R said:
my build sheet is circa £36k for a CS car and > £40k on a comfort if I need to by seats etc.
Like this 997.2 GT3: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10586702?c...JZM said:
997.2 GT3 Clubsport Supplied With A Fantastic Array Of Factory Options And Just Over £37,500 Worth Of Upgrades
IMO, low £90k is the ceiling for a 7.2 GT3 CS, non CS should be in the £80k region. But, even in this covid bulls
t era, there's a buyer for everything - just has to be the right price...As for 7.1s, what's wrong with this?
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