992 GT3.. is here....
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Not wanting to reinforce no one, but weight loss is a wallet numbers game. 90kg is not farfetched at all especially if you start from a heavy spec.
Magnesium wheels +-10kg, battery +-10kg, full inconel exhaust or titanium +-30-40 kg, carbon ceramics if you are on steels, carbon front carbon roof, perspex rear windows, lightweight starter and alternator, carbon oil tank, there are tools already made as well as the carbon fiber R&D for the intake plenum of the 991 R, that is not much different from the 991, requirements wise, etc etc.
You can remove the heavy heatshields with the new exhaust and create a simple carbon barrier, lots of weight savings here, plenty of little stuff that can be redone light and better that will save weight.
Literally loads of tasty light stuff available to those who want and can.
Magnesium wheels +-10kg, battery +-10kg, full inconel exhaust or titanium +-30-40 kg, carbon ceramics if you are on steels, carbon front carbon roof, perspex rear windows, lightweight starter and alternator, carbon oil tank, there are tools already made as well as the carbon fiber R&D for the intake plenum of the 991 R, that is not much different from the 991, requirements wise, etc etc.
You can remove the heavy heatshields with the new exhaust and create a simple carbon barrier, lots of weight savings here, plenty of little stuff that can be redone light and better that will save weight.
Literally loads of tasty light stuff available to those who want and can.
luigisayshello said:
Not wanting to reinforce no one, but weight loss is a wallet numbers game. 90kg is not farfetched at all especially if you start from a heavy spec.
Magnesium wheels +-10kg, battery +-10kg, full inconel exhaust or titanium +-30-40 kg, carbon ceramics if you are on steels, carbon front carbon roof, perspex rear windows, lightweight starter and alternator, carbon oil tank, there are tools already made as well as the carbon fiber R&D for the intake plenum of the 991 R, that is not much different from the 991, requirements wise, etc etc.
You can remove the heavy heatshields with the new exhaust and create a simple carbon barrier, lots of weight savings here, plenty of little stuff that can be redone light and better that will save weight.
Literally loads of tasty light stuff available to those who want and can.
In the extreme yes, but no-one realistically is going to do that to a 991.2 GT3 and certainly no-one on Pistonheads with rose jointed suspension on their non RS GT3.Magnesium wheels +-10kg, battery +-10kg, full inconel exhaust or titanium +-30-40 kg, carbon ceramics if you are on steels, carbon front carbon roof, perspex rear windows, lightweight starter and alternator, carbon oil tank, there are tools already made as well as the carbon fiber R&D for the intake plenum of the 991 R, that is not much different from the 991, requirements wise, etc etc.
You can remove the heavy heatshields with the new exhaust and create a simple carbon barrier, lots of weight savings here, plenty of little stuff that can be redone light and better that will save weight.
Literally loads of tasty light stuff available to those who want and can.
So the reality of what someone will do without carving their car to pieces is much, much less.
993rsr said:
Porsche911R said:
Has even one other poster or owner Rose jointed the non RS 991.2 GT3 in the UK ? just me I expect.
And the point of that statement is what precisely? Makes you even quicker on track in your GT3 that you haven't tracked? Makes you a better more skilled driver with this modification? Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 26th November 12:00
The irony, as always, is lost on you...
ks. I fitted cup parts to my car to aid feel and confidence in the car, so yes it makes me a better driver I feel, the same as Porsche have now done in the 992 non RS GT3 to allow owners to get more feel and push the car with a bit more confidence, it's a very worth while mod as the EPS removes any NVH the cup parts would add to a 997 as an example, so no down side but many up sides. My car also has more front track, yet again another item talked about in the 992 vid, most 3rd party shops remove track pulling the top of the wheel in with top mounts ! , I have pushed the top of the wheel out as far as it will go and then with the CUP arms moved the bottom of the wheel out more to get the camber with the extra track.
I am very happy to debate my mods and any weight savings, and will always back up any comments I make with data, you are free to have a drive of my car any time in 2021 if you wish to try these things out, I hope to be at a lot more track events in 2021.
993rsr said:
Porsche911R said:
Has even one other poster or owner Rose jointed the non RS 991.2 GT3 in the UK ? just me I expect.
And the point of that statement is what precisely? Makes you even quicker on track in your GT3 that you haven't tracked? Makes you a better more skilled driver with this modification? Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 26th November 12:00
The irony, as always, is lost on you...
Back on topic. The new car looks interesting. But not overly desirable on the styling front, that might improve when seen property / with time.
As for David's ramblings on weight reductions of the 991.2 to produce better performance than the 992, very amusing. If you start removing washer fluid etc you are missing the point and not comparing like for like.
luigisayshello said:
Not wanting to reinforce no one, but weight loss is a wallet numbers game. 90kg is not farfetched at all especially if you start from a heavy spec.
Magnesium wheels +-10kg, battery +-10kg, full inconel exhaust or titanium +-30-40 kg, carbon ceramics if you are on steels, carbon front carbon roof, perspex rear windows, lightweight starter and alternator, carbon oil tank, there are tools already made as well as the carbon fiber R&D for the intake plenum of the 991 R, that is not much different from the 991, requirements wise, etc etc.
You can remove the heavy heatshields with the new exhaust and create a simple carbon barrier, lots of weight savings here, plenty of little stuff that can be redone light and better that will save weight.
Literally loads of tasty light stuff available to those who want and can.
it's a drug if you are into cars and getting the best from them I find, and I am not into much else to spend my hard earned on.Magnesium wheels +-10kg, battery +-10kg, full inconel exhaust or titanium +-30-40 kg, carbon ceramics if you are on steels, carbon front carbon roof, perspex rear windows, lightweight starter and alternator, carbon oil tank, there are tools already made as well as the carbon fiber R&D for the intake plenum of the 991 R, that is not much different from the 991, requirements wise, etc etc.
You can remove the heavy heatshields with the new exhaust and create a simple carbon barrier, lots of weight savings here, plenty of little stuff that can be redone light and better that will save weight.
Literally loads of tasty light stuff available to those who want and can.
total waste of money :-) but I like it.
jcosh said:
993rsr, what's the latest on David's tracking of his GT3? Has he fessed up yet?
Back on topic. The new car looks interesting. But not overly desirable on the styling front, that might improve when seen property / with time.
As for David's ramblings on weight reductions of the 991.2 to produce better performance than the 992, very amusing. If you start removing washer fluid etc you are missing the point and not comparing like for like.
I put the washer fluid in for a laugh and knew some one would pick up on it and post ;-) Back on topic. The new car looks interesting. But not overly desirable on the styling front, that might improve when seen property / with time.
As for David's ramblings on weight reductions of the 991.2 to produce better performance than the 992, very amusing. If you start removing washer fluid etc you are missing the point and not comparing like for like.
The point is 200 lbs is pretty easy to remove if you so wish.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 26th November 13:16
993rsr said:
In the extreme yes, but no-one realistically is going to do that to a 991.2 GT3 and certainly no-one on Pistonheads with rose jointed suspension on their non RS GT3.
So the reality of what someone will do without carving their car to pieces is much, much less.
There is someone making an R probably go 1000kg or sub 1000kg. Plenty of 991.2 gt3 on coilovers (that by the way can be a tasty side to shed weight, titanium springs are a thing of wonder and shock bodies and internals with enough attention can give an extra +1kg plus per corner), full exhaust with side mufflers deleter and fairly lighter part for part rest of the exhaust, mags, light weight battery. So the reality of what someone will do without carving their car to pieces is much, much less.
Rose joints are actually nice for street, as long the suspension is not harshly sprung and dampers actually work, but is a bit of a pain because they go out much earlier than bushes and impact quite a bit more, even tho Porsche ones do seem to hold quite well vs other manufacturers.
But I agree with what you are trying to say, this is a bit of an extreme and requires quite a little bit of thought to make it work and not ruin what is a brilliant car.
Plus it's bloody expensive by the time one is flirting past 100kg the current bill will be probably close enough to buy another 991.2 gt3.
Leftfootwonder said:
I'm happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the 'engineering challenges' revolved around the desire for space for a golf bag in the 'frunk' and little else (aside from cost saving).
Many normal cars have had double wishbones for 30+ years, but because Porsche have now done it, only now is it a good idea.
Exactly. That is the challenge for a rear engined car with a boot in the front. The top wishbone will infringe upon boot space. However if you want to improve on the current method of locating the top of the suspension axle (which is very effective) you will probably need reasonably long top wishbones. Many normal cars have had double wishbones for 30+ years, but because Porsche have now done it, only now is it a good idea.
The 911 has done pretty well on the racetrack so far against many cars with the ‘superior’ double wishbone set up. On that basis I’m assuming that they will want to make the most of a top wishbone rather than cramming in something tiny and ineffective. Having a top wishbone per se isn’t necessarily a great advantage.
Melvynr said:
Twinfan said:
Nice! I wonder if the Carrera Cup GB will get them too. Maybe just Supercup for the first year though?
I lied to you buddy, it’s on its way to Manchester for my little cousin, remote controlled and looks the part.Lololol.
OMG that garage. Literally my idea of heaven. I’ve not worked hard enough in my life gutted.
Looks ok to me but not sure about the blue painted bit of the rear wing, possibly just the angle in the video but looks a bit iffy. The blue pinstripe on the wheels noooooooo wrong on so many levels.
Looks ok to me but not sure about the blue painted bit of the rear wing, possibly just the angle in the video but looks a bit iffy. The blue pinstripe on the wheels noooooooo wrong on so many levels.
Porsche911R said:
Are they admitting the 380MM steels were too small now ?
They had to remove weight from the car but decided to add weight on brake upsizing and wheel sizes and tyre weight? tyres I get.
I would not be shocked if my car were faster upto a point on the road, it's lighter than oem and less drag at lower speeds and no 21" rear, AP states "time the car 140-170MPh" this is the aero advantage and less drag.
And bang that's how they got the RS beating time on the 3 big straight sections on the ring where the cars reach 260 to 300 kph.
if you read into what they have done to add feel and confidence in the 992 it's add rose joints and front track.
I have done both of those things to my car and it's night and day over oem to drive from a feel point of view.
(owners won't mod their assets I know, but just do it)
Remove 200lbs from the 991.2 which is fairly easy and on the ROAD you may just have the better smaller car in the old one and it's sounds better also, imho.
People will lol at that, but Porsche had to focus the 992 GT3 back to track and most don't track. If you have a garage at the ring or Spa the 992 will be killer and the car to own, if you want to be the new kid on the block at SCD the 992 will be the car to own.
If you want a smaller lighter focused road racer with no OPF issues (is this what a GT3 is and has always been to me) tweak the 991.2 in the same way AP has tweaked the 992 GT3.
I like the new car bar the bigger size and digital dash, and I await the proper tech walk though.
Are you the guy that Chris Harris was talking about in the podcast?They had to remove weight from the car but decided to add weight on brake upsizing and wheel sizes and tyre weight? tyres I get.
I would not be shocked if my car were faster upto a point on the road, it's lighter than oem and less drag at lower speeds and no 21" rear, AP states "time the car 140-170MPh" this is the aero advantage and less drag.
And bang that's how they got the RS beating time on the 3 big straight sections on the ring where the cars reach 260 to 300 kph.
if you read into what they have done to add feel and confidence in the 992 it's add rose joints and front track.
I have done both of those things to my car and it's night and day over oem to drive from a feel point of view.
(owners won't mod their assets I know, but just do it)
Remove 200lbs from the 991.2 which is fairly easy and on the ROAD you may just have the better smaller car in the old one and it's sounds better also, imho.
People will lol at that, but Porsche had to focus the 992 GT3 back to track and most don't track. If you have a garage at the ring or Spa the 992 will be killer and the car to own, if you want to be the new kid on the block at SCD the 992 will be the car to own.
If you want a smaller lighter focused road racer with no OPF issues (is this what a GT3 is and has always been to me) tweak the 991.2 in the same way AP has tweaked the 992 GT3.
I like the new car bar the bigger size and digital dash, and I await the proper tech walk though.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 26th November 10:03
Just wondering...
993rsr said:
VonSenger said:
Purple Man said:
Remove 200lbs from the 991.2 which is fairly easy and on the ROAD you may just have the better smaller car in the old one and it's sounds better also, imho.
Can you give me the heads up on how you 'fairly easily' remove 200lbs from a GT3?
Thanks.
Dave just leaves his delusion at home. Can you give me the heads up on how you 'fairly easily' remove 200lbs from a GT3?
Thanks.
Edit: never mind, just read the rest of the thread
Edited by MDL111 on Thursday 26th November 13:58
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