992 GT3.. is here....

[Yellow491]

Digga said:

Deanmg said:

Great video and just loved that GT collection

Yes, it's quite low key really isn't it? If you saw the place you'd be forgiven for not knowing it was 'factory' owned. It sounds like, until, now, it's been a bit secret.

Also, it seems clear thaty AP read the forums on here about the rear PU (lack of) styling.

Im sure some on here hope and dream that AP listens to them

I would say it would be a complete redesign with a subframe mount, or similar,the rsr route is far to expensive for production,the rsr has hand fabricated wheel carriers and wishbones at over 20k a corner without the trick dampers,good news it will be wishbone front,may be even drop the need for rear wheel steer.

[caminator11]

Yellow491 said:

Digga said:

Deanmg said:

Great video and just loved that GT collection

Yes, it's quite low key really isn't it? If you saw the place you'd be forgiven for not knowing it was 'factory' owned. It sounds like, until, now, it's been a bit secret.

Also, it seems clear thaty AP read the forums on here about the rear PU (lack of) styling.

Im sure some on here hope and dream that AP listens to them

I would say it would be a complete redesign with a subframe mount, or similar,the rsr route is far to expensive for production,the rsr has hand fabricated wheel carriers and wishbones at over 20k a corner without the trick dampers,good news it will be wishbone front,may be even drop the need for rear wheel steer.

It'll be rennlist.

[Porsche911R]

Steve Rance said:

Its good to see a 911 finally getting a double wishbone front end -

yes it seems they have built my Noble 3R from 2003 :-) why has it taken so long ?

[MeisterH]

throt said:

If rumours are correct, RS is around 240k, without WP.

GT3 - take a guess , 190k.

Blistering around the ring apparently.

You drunk?.... 991.2 WP tops was £185-87! Worst case 15% on top 210k which I still think is steep for a RS..

2RS will be £250-60k again too expensive in with what could be a totally different Financial climate... time will tell

[Digga]

caminator11 said:

Yellow491 said:

Digga said:

Deanmg said:

Great video and just loved that GT collection

Yes, it's quite low key really isn't it? If you saw the place you'd be forgiven for not knowing it was 'factory' owned. It sounds like, until, now, it's been a bit secret.

Also, it seems clear thaty AP read the forums on here about the rear PU (lack of) styling.

Im sure some on here hope and dream that AP listens to them

I would say it would be a complete redesign with a subframe mount, or similar,the rsr route is far to expensive for production,the rsr has hand fabricated wheel carriers and wishbones at over 20k a corner without the trick dampers,good news it will be wishbone front,may be even drop the need for rear wheel steer.

It'll be rennlist.

For sure - it's been a point of discussion!

[MeisterH]

Also that car has a wrap on it.. it is Blue underneath.. look at the section of video just after Henry interrupts AP it then goes to the front bumper video, and you can see the crease line of the bumper where it meets the bonnet is blue..

[Grantstown]

So much concern that 991.2 was the pinnacle and everything is going to go backwards.

….after the first review, all is suddenly well again.

[Batster3]

From what I can deduce from the Carfection video, the 992 could be a harsher more visceral ride than the 991.2 despite OPF's due to less sound deadening, lightweight glass and carbon fibre bonnet etc. I think the 991.2 was getting a bit soft for a GT3 product, however, that suits me as I daily drive mine. I expect this 992 to be more RS and more track bias. Either way, it's going to be a step up in every direction. Interesting to see if the Touring is given any different treatment.

[woollyjoe]

I’ve not warmed to the 992 design, so it’s hard for me to like this GT3. Looks heavy and design matters to me.

I don’t track my cars and after a while on the road, one understands what brings you joy... lucky for me that is the aged, flawed and slower GT cars.

Faster isn’t on my radar anymore. I must be getting old, oh crap.

Btw - the new GT3 looks mighty impressive and understand the want factor.

[Twinfan]

I think:

- Styling will be improved from the mule, but still 'heavy' looking
- Engine is pretty much the same as the 991.3 GT3RS with ITBs and GPFs
- Engine note is toneful but fairly quiet
- To combat this, the glass is lighter and sound deadening reduced to give more noise from areas other than the exhaust
- Handling will be great due to the new front suspension
- 'Ring laptime will be a step on due to handling improvements and use of the Cup2 R over the Cup2 used previously

I can't believe they're doing the pinstripe wheels again - how very 90s!

[james.a.c.911]

Thought is was ugly AF when i saw the inital pictures.
Actually think it looks nice now. The new cars are too large for my taste but they've managed to make the front look a little slimmer annd elegant yet still GT.

[Porsche911R]

I agree holds no interest to me I think the manual 991.2 attracted a different buyer and they don't really care much for the 992 how ever fast.

992 offers nothing I want, my cars lighter, smaller, sounds better and has imo a nicer dash and heated folding buckets with apple car play.
it's already too noisy inside the cabin so less carpet is very unpleasant and brings nothing to the party.
The guys in the USA are dyno matting their 991.2's to make it nicer as is.

992's faster, who cares bar the wannabe's and that must ps off 991.2 RS WP buyers who just paid overs.
things move on but I was more interested in the chat about the 997.1 they were talking about.
and the 991.2 manuals already a future icon imo.

price will be interesting, it still has ave brakes and fat seats, they could have done a ton more to just pip the 991.2 weight and make a big song and dance about it. is matching the weight a good thing ? yes, it beating the weight abetter headline thing, of course.

[Davey S2]

Porsche911R said:

I agree holds no interest to me I think the manual 991.2 attracted a different buyer and they don't really care much for the 992 how ever fast.

992 offers nothing I want, my cars lighter, smaller, sounds better and has imo a nicer dash and heated folding buckets with apple car play.
it's already too noisy inside the cabin so less carpet is very unpleasant and brings nothing to the party.
The guys in the USA are dyno matting their 991.2's to make it nicer as is.

992's faster, who cares bar the wannabe's and that must ps off 991.2 RS WP buyers who just paid overs.
things move on but I was more interested in the chat about the 997.1 they were talking about.
and the 991.2 manuals already a future icon imo.

price will be interesting, it still has ave brakes and fat seats, they could have done a ton more to just pip the 991.2 weight and make a big song and dance about it. is matching the weight a good thing ? yes, it beating the weight abetter headline thing, of course.

You have an awful lot of opinions on a car you have no interest in.

[throt]

MeisterH said:

throt said:

If rumours are correct, RS is around 240k, without WP.

GT3 - take a guess , 190k.

Blistering around the ring apparently.

You drunk?.... 991.2 WP tops was £185-87! Worst case 15% on top 210k which I still think is steep for a RS..

2RS will be £250-60k again too expensive in with what could be a totally different Financial climate... time will tell

No, I am tea total.

As i said , just rumours but from a good source.

Do the math, my .2 GT3 was 135k, then stick quite a bit on that for the upgrades, wishbone, extra carbon, 21'' to 20'' rims and the brexit % charge.

170k easily?, but then spec it to the normal old must haves, 20k min.

If it hits 190k then surely flipping will cease with a bit of luck.

Plus, i would not be surprised if Porsche make quite a few, like with the 991.2.

[throt]

Davey S2 said:

Porsche911R said:

I agree holds no interest to me I think the manual 991.2 attracted a different buyer and they don't really care much for the 992 how ever fast.

992 offers nothing I want, my cars lighter, smaller, sounds better and has imo a nicer dash and heated folding buckets with apple car play.
it's already too noisy inside the cabin so less carpet is very unpleasant and brings nothing to the party.
The guys in the USA are dyno matting their 991.2's to make it nicer as is.

992's faster, who cares bar the wannabe's and that must ps off 991.2 RS WP buyers who just paid overs.
things move on but I was more interested in the chat about the 997.1 they were talking about.
and the 991.2 manuals already a future icon imo.

price will be interesting, it still has ave brakes and fat seats, they could have done a ton more to just pip the 991.2 weight and make a big song and dance about it. is matching the weight a good thing ? yes, it beating the weight abetter headline thing, of course.

You have an awful lot of opinions on a car you have no interest in.

It'll be the same old thing, bunfights, guys on the blowers pestering their sales rep. Mine told me they have some right foot stampers if they miss out.

All will be sold for sure, even at 190k.

[browngt3]

I must admit I had my doubts with the filters and too much tech etc etc. But we can always rely on AP and the last bastion of the 'old' Porsche - the GT department. Thank God for them!

I think it'll be an absolute corker. Whatever the price ends up being, demand will far outstrip supply. I have a sneaking suspicion it's going to look the part too. We should all be thankful the Porsche GT department is the gift that keeps on giving.

Again, if you like n/a and manual, what else is there?

[browngt3]

Loved Porsches own GT car Alladins cave. And that 997 in Midnight Blue. Looks like the launch colour will be blue?

[blz06]

Don't think there will be a massive hike in price maybe 15k more on the base comparing to 991.2. With all the selling points the hype will be back and obviously averages can't get one at list.

It sounded good still with the high pitch albeit not as loud it seems.

[av185]

Batster3 said:

From what I can deduce from the Carfection video, the 992 could be a harsher more visceral ride than the 991.2 despite OPF's due to less sound deadening, lightweight glass and carbon fibre bonnet etc. I think the 991.2 was getting a bit soft for a GT3 product, however, that suits me as I daily drive mine.

The 991.2 is more 'hardcore' than the 991.1 though!

Interesting they have reduced sound insulation again over the 991.2 which itself is generally noisy in terms of road and engine intrusion (good!) so along with lightweight glass this may well have been undertaken to counteract the softening effects of the gpf on engine sound. Drive a Carrera T with lightweight glass then standard glass there is quite a difference in engine noise intrusion into the cabin.

21" rear wheels like the current RS not sure about but wider tyres obvs good. Front end revisions sound interesting although as others have said wasted for road use no doubt. RWS maybe dropped to spend ££ on other areas.?

Previous negative comments re the bulbous rear end were correct it looks like this was camo armoury so the finished car will look a bit better at the rear thankfully and it will be intersting to see the finished rear wing which does look more RS height from the covered car.

Rear diffuser looks mean for sure.

Those blue pinstripes do look horrific. :

The cars attractions over the 991.2 do hang on the price and sound imo am sure others will agree at this level. Ok controversial I know but anything over £150k otr good spec CS is too much including Brexit charge imo especially having regard to the minimal power increase and likely diluted sound but the juries out until we know for sure.

[finmac]

£190K for a GT3, surely not.

Hard to see how the GT3 is worth anything like £100K more than GT4.