992 GT3.. is here....
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
All clever marketing to get pre orders in and deposits.
The chase for a lot of people has gone, I know 12 people who don't like my posts but the manual 991.2 will be imo iconic, the GT3 that bought back the manual after a 7 year gap and gave us a working mind blowing engine after the 991.1 issues , and before all the opf and noise regs came in.
you have a circa 300 car pool and imo buy one up as fast as you can.
992 Double wishbones for the advanced driver on track should load up nice mid corner and maybe save your wallet on tyre wear issues, you might get 2 more track days from a set of tyres over cording the outers. And the performance from 140MPh onwards like AP said is the big gain along with the downforce.
All that points to a better match for the PDK box though and I think we will see less manuals ordered on the 992 as the direction has gone track bias.
really looking forward to seeing where the times gained over the 991.2 RS on the ring lap in car and how they price up the 992 GT3 with all the RS parts and it being faster. or will all the trick bits be free :-) Porsche never add big money to the next GT3 but this time it feels a bigger gap in price is coming.
maybe even a £135k base price ? for a fully tricked up £155k list with options. if it's cheaper then it will be a bargain.
Now the tricky subject :-)
will we see touring sales ? many and I mean many people who owned Tourings moved them on as people are shocked about GT3 comfort over the base T models, I see in another thread some one thinking about a T to GT3 swap or visa versa (T remember not touring), they are not the same cars in any way and GT cars are not for the mainstream, adding rose joints, thinner glass and less carpet to a Touring when it's already not that side inside for Touring is a strange move unless they don't go that route and that's the delay on it.
Maybe the Touring WILL BE the GT3 for the road this time if they tweak it. imo the last car was a nothing, a pure R marketing con, the 992 Touring could be the new road going GT3 model of choice. NO rose joints, more carpet, PS4S tyres and rear seats. Now that's how to do a Touring, this time make it different and not a marketing wing delete. if they do that you have a nice gap for intended use, road or track, even make it cheaper.
A lot of people I chat to would lap a Touring like that up.
How on earth can you say the last GT3 touring was a nothings for a marketing con. It’s proven to be very sort after and a favourable by many. The chase for a lot of people has gone, I know 12 people who don't like my posts but the manual 991.2 will be imo iconic, the GT3 that bought back the manual after a 7 year gap and gave us a working mind blowing engine after the 991.1 issues , and before all the opf and noise regs came in.
you have a circa 300 car pool and imo buy one up as fast as you can.
992 Double wishbones for the advanced driver on track should load up nice mid corner and maybe save your wallet on tyre wear issues, you might get 2 more track days from a set of tyres over cording the outers. And the performance from 140MPh onwards like AP said is the big gain along with the downforce.
All that points to a better match for the PDK box though and I think we will see less manuals ordered on the 992 as the direction has gone track bias.
really looking forward to seeing where the times gained over the 991.2 RS on the ring lap in car and how they price up the 992 GT3 with all the RS parts and it being faster. or will all the trick bits be free :-) Porsche never add big money to the next GT3 but this time it feels a bigger gap in price is coming.
maybe even a £135k base price ? for a fully tricked up £155k list with options. if it's cheaper then it will be a bargain.
Now the tricky subject :-)
will we see touring sales ? many and I mean many people who owned Tourings moved them on as people are shocked about GT3 comfort over the base T models, I see in another thread some one thinking about a T to GT3 swap or visa versa (T remember not touring), they are not the same cars in any way and GT cars are not for the mainstream, adding rose joints, thinner glass and less carpet to a Touring when it's already not that side inside for Touring is a strange move unless they don't go that route and that's the delay on it.
Maybe the Touring WILL BE the GT3 for the road this time if they tweak it. imo the last car was a nothing, a pure R marketing con, the 992 Touring could be the new road going GT3 model of choice. NO rose joints, more carpet, PS4S tyres and rear seats. Now that's how to do a Touring, this time make it different and not a marketing wing delete. if they do that you have a nice gap for intended use, road or track, even make it cheaper.
A lot of people I chat to would lap a Touring like that up.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 1st December 09:44
You do realise you own the same car apart from the touring being worth far more money and made in far far lower uk production numbers?
The only real difference between your bucket seat / big spoiler gt3 991.2 and a touring spec gt3 991.2 is the interior trim and rear spoiler delete!
Or do you think your car is somewhat better in every way?
GT4RS said:
The only real difference between your bucket seat / big spoiler gt3 991.2 and a touring spec gt3 991.2 is the interior trim and rear spoiler delete!
Or do you think your car is somewhat better in every way?
You are, of course, spot on (bar differences in underbody/diffusor to balance missing wing and missing ram air effect IIRC) but do you really believe any facts would matter in this conversation? Or do you think your car is somewhat better in every way?
GT4RS said:
How on earth can you say the last GT3 touring was a nothings for a marketing con. It’s proven to be very sort after and a favourable by many.
You do realise you own the same car apart from the touring being worth far more money and made in far far lower uk production numbers?
The only real difference between your bucket seat / big spoiler gt3 991.2 and a touring spec gt3 991.2 is the interior trim and rear spoiler delete!
Or do you think your car is somewhat better in every way?
I don't think you understand what I have written. or it seems have not even read what I have said ?You do realise you own the same car apart from the touring being worth far more money and made in far far lower uk production numbers?
The only real difference between your bucket seat / big spoiler gt3 991.2 and a touring spec gt3 991.2 is the interior trim and rear spoiler delete!
Or do you think your car is somewhat better in every way?
1: the R sold out with 27 cars at £400k 2nd hand but no current buyers at £300k now but made the press for the wrong reasons.
2: they made a GT3 with wing delete to please the press about the shortage or the R, hence why I said it's was a marketing con imo nothing more than that. A total press pleaser.
3: even then only 48 people ordered it and it was available for 6 months to order, it had a low take up but owners seem to shout loud and still sell up.
4: most have been flipped and always 10% for sale. you don't see 10% manuals winged cars for sale !
5: the new one if they make it a True touring model over a GT3 with wing delete would get a lot of buyers. THE REAL GT3 for the road it could be one which would be nice to tour in with your other half.
6: if they just do a 992 GT3 wing delete car again, it's seems pointless in my eyes, now it has rose joints, thin glass and less carpet ! and many people who wanted one last time did not order due to it being nothing but a GT3 with wing delete, most people did want rear seats who i know who wanted the Touring spec. maybe you have a different group of friends who all want one, I don't know anyone who wanted one even when they could buy at list.
7: my car has nothing to do with any comments I have posted ? keep on topic.
It's an interesting topic what do people want to see from a Touring version of the 992 ? the very same car as a GT3 but no wing, or something properly thought out now the 992 GT3 has gone very track bias. We are yet to find out what Porsche will offer us in the Touring this time round.
I personally hope it's a far more bespoke car for the job of a Touring model.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 1st December 14:01
Porsche911R said:
3: even then only 48 people ordered it and it was available for 18 months to order, it had a low take up but owners seem to shout loud and still sell up.
4: most have been flipped and always 10% for sale. you don't see 10% manuals winged cars for sale !
3. you keep repeating yourself even when you have been corrected - the option was available to order from oct '17 (Frankfurt show surprise reveal) until mar '18 when UK rhd production was wrapped up. ie only part of the 2nd production run. that's fact, not opinion.4: most have been flipped and always 10% for sale. you don't see 10% manuals winged cars for sale !
4. they are 3 for sale currently, 2 indi dealers and 1 OPC - perhaps the reason there is always a few for sale is because they fetch a lot more than list, who knows.
you don't like them, fine, you are entitled to disapprove, no biggie. but stop repeating the nonsense about the low take up, you are wrong.
Porsche911R said:
3: even then only 48 people ordered it and it was available for 18 months to order
I don't think it was available for 18 months. The 991.2 GT3 was launched in March 2017, the Touring package in September 2017 and the GT3RS in Feb 2018 (I don't think the 3 and 3RS were produced concurrently?).So only half the UK orders would have had the Touring available as an option. Rounding a bit, ~50 out of a possible ~300 cars. As they were manual only they're a subset of a subset of half the production run, hence the small numbers in the UK.
Porsche911R said:
I don't think you understand what I have written. or it seems have not even read what I have said ?
1: the R sold out with 27 cars at £400k 2nd hand but no current buyers at £300k now but made the press for the wrong reasons.
2: they made a GT3 with wing delete to please the press about the shortage or the R, hence why I said it's was a marketing con imo nothing more than that. A total press pleaser.
3: even then only 48 people ordered it and it was available for 18 months to order, it had a low take up but owners seem to shout loud and still sell up.
4: most have been flipped and always 10% for sale. you don't see 10% manuals winged cars for sale !
5: the new one if they make it a True touring model over a GT3 with wing delete would get a lot of buyers. THE REAL GT3 for the road it could be one which would be nice to tour in with your other half.
6: if they just do a 992 GT3 wing delete car again, it's seems pointless in my eyes, now it has rose joints, thin glass and less carpet ! and many people who wanted one last time did not order due to it being nothing but a GT3 with wing delete, most people did want rear seats who i know who wanted the Touring spec. maybe you have a different group of friends who all want one, I don't know anyone who wanted one even when they could buy at list.
7: my car has nothing to do with any comments I have posted ? keep on topic.
It's an interesting topic what do people want to see from a Touring version of the 992 ? the very same car as a GT3 but no wing, or something properly thought out now the 992 GT3 has gone very track bias. We are yet to find out what Porsche will offer us in the Touring this time round.
I personally hope it's a far more bespoke car for the job of a Touring model.
Is there usually 10% of the touring cars for sale? If so, it’s hardly surprising when so few where made 1: the R sold out with 27 cars at £400k 2nd hand but no current buyers at £300k now but made the press for the wrong reasons.
2: they made a GT3 with wing delete to please the press about the shortage or the R, hence why I said it's was a marketing con imo nothing more than that. A total press pleaser.
3: even then only 48 people ordered it and it was available for 18 months to order, it had a low take up but owners seem to shout loud and still sell up.
4: most have been flipped and always 10% for sale. you don't see 10% manuals winged cars for sale !
5: the new one if they make it a True touring model over a GT3 with wing delete would get a lot of buyers. THE REAL GT3 for the road it could be one which would be nice to tour in with your other half.
6: if they just do a 992 GT3 wing delete car again, it's seems pointless in my eyes, now it has rose joints, thin glass and less carpet ! and many people who wanted one last time did not order due to it being nothing but a GT3 with wing delete, most people did want rear seats who i know who wanted the Touring spec. maybe you have a different group of friends who all want one, I don't know anyone who wanted one even when they could buy at list.
7: my car has nothing to do with any comments I have posted ? keep on topic.
It's an interesting topic what do people want to see from a Touring version of the 992 ? the very same car as a GT3 but no wing, or something properly thought out now the 992 GT3 has gone very track bias. We are yet to find out what Porsche will offer us in the Touring this time round.
I personally hope it's a far more bespoke car for the job of a Touring model.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 1st December 12:35
seawise said:
Porsche911R said:
3: even then only 48 people ordered it and it was available for 18 months to order, it had a low take up but owners seem to shout loud and still sell up.
4: most have been flipped and always 10% for sale. you don't see 10% manuals winged cars for sale !
3. you keep repeating yourself even when you have been corrected - the option was available to order from oct '17 (Frankfurt show surprise reveal) until mar '18 when UK rhd production was wrapped up. ie only part of the 2nd production run. that's fact, not opinion.4: most have been flipped and always 10% for sale. you don't see 10% manuals winged cars for sale !
4. they are 3 for sale currently, 2 indi dealers and 1 OPC - perhaps the reason there is always a few for sale is because they fetch a lot more than list, who knows.
you don't like them, fine, you are entitled to disapprove, no biggie. but stop repeating the nonsense about the low take up, you are wrong.
Forget my foolish 18month quote (i have changed that to 6 for you ;-) ) lets do some real figure on paper ;-)
GT3 sales figures: Total UK cars sales 661 I think or there abouts. 1st batch PDK only and then no 17 year Tourings allowed, that's 281 cars not available lets say with the Touring option as 281 GT3 were registered in 2017.
That's leaves the bigger amount of sales being 2018 reg cars, 380 in fact well after the Touring was offered, So then all 2018 sales left with a choice of Touring would you say after a OCT 2017 release.
That's 1 in 8 sales in 2018 picked Touring. imo that's pretty black and white to support a low take up you say is wrong !
My OPC was a massive seller of the 991.2 GT3 >20 or so cars and late on. my cars a late car on a 18 plate and past the normal batch's. , Car's just kept flooding into the UK even when I thought mine was the last one still my OPC got more cars like the 981 GT4 200,400 ended up 660 odd. I am not even sure my OPC sold a touring in fact I think they did not sell many manuals full stop they said mine was the 1st and being such a late car all manual take up at Leicester was a small % of the cars they got as most cars were PDK.
what people buy with their own money is of zero concern of mine.
again lets forget the 991.2 cars for a minute.
My question today is what do people want or would like to see from the 992 Touring ? the same again or a more bespoke model this time ?
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 1st December 14:04
Porsche911R said:
figures are figures, people can see them in black and white, you think it's wrong, I'll go buy what sold and the take up.
Forget my foolish 18month quote (i have changed that to 6 for you ;-) ) - thank you
My question today is what do people want or would like to see from the 992 Touring ? the same again or a more bespoke model this time ?
personally i'd quite like rear seats ! Forget my foolish 18month quote (i have changed that to 6 for you ;-) ) - thank you
My question today is what do people want or would like to see from the 992 Touring ? the same again or a more bespoke model this time ?
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 1st December 14:04
but i understand why the 991.2 didn't have them, it was with regards to homologation regulations - i guess given the amount of media chat about the 991 GT3 touring, Porsche might as you suggest put a bit more thought into the 992 varient. that would make sense.
seawise said:
Porsche911R said:
figures are figures, people can see them in black and white, you think it's wrong, I'll go buy what sold and the take up.
Forget my foolish 18month quote (i have changed that to 6 for you ;-) ) - thank you
My question today is what do people want or would like to see from the 992 Touring ? the same again or a more bespoke model this time ?
personally i'd quite like rear seats ! Forget my foolish 18month quote (i have changed that to 6 for you ;-) ) - thank you
My question today is what do people want or would like to see from the 992 Touring ? the same again or a more bespoke model this time ?
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 1st December 14:04
but i understand why the 991.2 didn't have them, it was with regards to homologation regulations - i guess given the amount of media chat about the 991 GT3 touring, Porsche might as you suggest put a bit more thought into the 992 varient. that would make sense.
I don't get why our friend has a pathological aversion to the Touring, a car he has never owned. Then I saw a definition of the psychology of envy.
Definition | To feel envy, three conditions need to be met. First, we must be confronted with something (e.g. a possession) that has eluded us. Second, we must desire that something for ourselves. And third, we must be personally pained by the associated pricing premium of said possession.
There we go. All makes sense now.
Definition | To feel envy, three conditions need to be met. First, we must be confronted with something (e.g. a possession) that has eluded us. Second, we must desire that something for ourselves. And third, we must be personally pained by the associated pricing premium of said possession.
There we go. All makes sense now.
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