992 GT3.. is here....

[jh001]

Spyder75 said:

So I take it talking about the 992 gt3 is a bit off topic for this thread :-)

I am considering changing my 3rs WP for a 992 touring.. Obviously have to see the full car and the reviews first...

I'd love to know peoples thoughts..

I’ve had exactly the same thoughts, same situation for me too RS WP into a touring. I’ve already made tentative enquiries with my OPC contact.

I have a feeling it may be my last GT 911 car so a long term daily.

[2010spy]

But the Touring isn’t a proper GT3. Why are so many of you even considering this? There’s no downforce. Madness.

[Taffy66]

2010spy said:

But the Touring isn’t a proper GT3. Why are so many of you even considering this? There’s no downforce. Madness.

I find my RS WP has too much downforce when i go for a nice drive.

[Nurburgsingh]

2010spy said:

But the Touring isn’t a proper GT3. Why are so many of you even considering this? There’s no downforce. Madness.

Because people are looking at the price of tourings vs non

[Digga]

Nurburgsingh said:

2010spy said:

But the Touring isn’t a proper GT3. Why are so many of you even considering this? There’s no downforce. Madness.

Because people are looking at the price of tourings vs non

I think also, we're (most of us) of the age where we all fondly remember the 964 RS.

The 996.1 GT3 was never intended to 'replace' that car, but was the next best thing. It came at things form a different direction, for different times and has since evolved to be a bit more in-yer-face and 'because racecar' motorsport in each iteration.

There's areal place for the Touring. I think that's what the prices reflect.

[Twinfan]

Digga said:

There's areal place for the Touring. I think that's what the prices reflect.

I think are flipper elements coming into to play though and I don't think the 992 Touring will command the premiums the 991 version did as it will be less rare.

In today's world I think it's the car to have though. It's completely unique with Spanish gearbox, screaming NA engine, GT chassis and totally understated looks. A complete sleeper and cool as

[993rsr]

Twinfan said:

Digga said:

There's areal place for the Touring. I think that's what the prices reflect.

I think are flipper elements coming into to play though and I don't think the 992 Touring will command the premiums the 991 version did as it will be less rare.

In today's world I think it's the car to have though. It's completely unique with Spanish gearbox, screaming NA engine, GT chassis and totally understated looks. A complete sleeper and cool as

Indeed, the sweet spot IMO.

[r1flyguy1]

Digga said:

I actually enjoy the drop at Pflantzgartern 2.

I think the two places that scare most are the faster ones, where it's impossible to 100% see slower cars ahead; SX-Aremberg, Tiergarten (crest into the corner well over 100, even in wet) and the faster lefts on Kesselchen to a lesser degree, as they're not quite as unsighted.

I think my favourite bit is the descent into and through the compression at Fuchsrohre. that whole Aremberg to Adenaur Forst stretch is epic if you get a clear run.

Hey Digga

May i ask your thoughts on the section from Bergwerk to Klostertal? I know its a very hard question to answer without specifics but This is the only section of the track i feel the least comfortable as my car feels ‘floaty’ with very little feedback even over this relatively nice section of tarmac. (991.1TTS running pilot Cup2’s and set up by CG)
Cheers

[isaldiri]

r1flyguy1 said:

Hey Digga

May i ask your thoughts on the section from Bergwerk to Klostertal? I know its a very hard question to answer without specifics but This is the only section of the track i feel the least comfortable as my car feels ‘floaty’ with very little feedback even over this relatively nice section of tarmac. (991.1TTS running pilot Cup2’s and set up by CG)
Cheers

Simple that bit. Full power through kesselchen It can get pretty high speeds through that area if you're really going for it but you can essentially put your foot down throughout. Ok maybe not at mutkurve.....

[r1flyguy1]

isaldiri said:

r1flyguy1 said:

Hey Digga

May i ask your thoughts on the section from Bergwerk to Klostertal? I know its a very hard question to answer without specifics but This is the only section of the track i feel the least comfortable as my car feels ‘floaty’ with very little feedback even over this relatively nice section of tarmac. (991.1TTS running pilot Cup2’s and set up by CG)
Cheers

Simple that bit. Full power through kesselchen It can get pretty high speeds through that area if you're really going for it but you can essentially put your foot down throughout. Ok maybe not at mutkurve.....

I’d say i would love to but its the only part of the track where the car feels light and uncomfortable, every other part I'm ok with! Im only guessing that the likes of the big wing on the GT3/RS offers more downforce and feedback, but I'm only ‘guessing’

[Digga]

r1flyguy1 said:

Digga said:

I actually enjoy the drop at Pflantzgartern 2.

I think the two places that scare most are the faster ones, where it's impossible to 100% see slower cars ahead; SX-Aremberg, Tiergarten (crest into the corner well over 100, even in wet) and the faster lefts on Kesselchen to a lesser degree, as they're not quite as unsighted.

I think my favourite bit is the descent into and through the compression at Fuchsrohre. that whole Aremberg to Adenaur Forst stretch is epic if you get a clear run.

Hey Digga

May i ask your thoughts on the section from Bergwerk to Klostertal? I know its a very hard question to answer without specifics but This is the only section of the track i feel the least comfortable as my car feels ‘floaty’ with very little feedback even over this relatively nice section of tarmac. (991.1TTS running pilot Cup2’s and set up by CG)
Cheers

I'm probably the wrong person to ask - that's the only section of the 'Ring I've had an 'incident' on so far.

It's all about 'knowing' where/when the left turns come up. The right before the Muttcurve left (which you will have to slow down for) is one of the faster corners, with no run off, but actually pretty easy unless you are passing/being passed.

[isaldiri]

r1flyguy1 said:

I’d say i would love to but its the only part of the track where the car feels light and uncomfortable, every other part I'm ok with! Im only guessing that the likes of the big wing on the GT3/RS offers more downforce and feedback, but I'm only ‘guessing’

I'm a little surprised by that I have to admit if you're happy with the car in the rest of the track bar kesselchen. Perhaps it's a bit of perception issue, that bit feels narrower and more hemmed in if it makes sense by the surrounding scenery and there tends to be quite a bit of speed differential to lower powered cars so it can make one a little nervous.

Even in my old mclaren so a car somewhat closer to the tts, essentially after bergwerk it's (mostly) trying to convince yourself to plant your foot down till mutkurve and it is actually doable. That said I used to think I was on full throttle but looking at the vbox I then found I was actually a long way off for a lot of that section...

[r1flyguy1]

isaldiri said:

I'm a little surprised by that I have to admit if you're happy with the car in the rest of the track bar kesselchen. Perhaps it's a bit of perception issue, that bit feels narrower and more hemmed in if it makes sense by the surrounding scenery and there tends to be quite a bit of speed differential to lower powered cars so it can make one a little nervous.

Maybe your right. My thoughts were that the majority of the track is comprised of turns of some degree whereby the car would offer feedback on the traction available and i feel the car gripping so I'm pretty confident pushing it, but the section we are talking about the car just kinda floats and I was thinking I'm not at a speed where the aero is working and would need to go faster to feel it but my balls aren't big enough if thats the case
Its an odd feeling for sure and one of the reasons i changed to Cup2’s and had CG set the GEO up

I would love to feel how a GT3 feels around the track to be totally honest

[Digga]

r1flyguy1 said:

isaldiri said:

I'm a little surprised by that I have to admit if you're happy with the car in the rest of the track bar kesselchen. Perhaps it's a bit of perception issue, that bit feels narrower and more hemmed in if it makes sense by the surrounding scenery and there tends to be quite a bit of speed differential to lower powered cars so it can make one a little nervous.

Maybe your right. My thoughts were that the majority of the track is comprised of turns of some degree whereby the car would offer feedback on the traction available and i feel the car gripping so I'm pretty confident pushing it, but the section we are talking about the car just kinda floats and I was thinking I'm not at a speed where the aero is working and would need to go faster to feel it but my balls aren't big enough if thats the case :
Its an odd feeling for sure and one of the reasons i changed to Cup2’s and had CG set the GEO up

I would love to feel how a GT3 feels around the track to be totally honest

Cars generally feel a bit vague there IME, because there's a lot of crest and camber changes, combined with high speed and varied steering requirements for the different bits. I find that bit sketchy because I'm fairly sure (others with more experience will know far, far better) it would be an easy place to have a fairly large off.

FWIW the GT3 is definitely far better than my previous 996 turbo. Partly mass and partly the lack of drive to the front wheels.

[2010spy]

It's amazing. I only got mine by accident by virtue of being in the second round of allocations. Love it.

[TDT]

Another 991 Touring just sold off market via RPM Technik... didn’t even get as far as advertised.

[Digga]

TDT said:

Another 991 Touring just sold off market via RPM Technik... didn’t even get as far as advertised.

And a mate's just bought a 991.2 Clubsport GT3 manual.

Plenty selling but a good time to be buying too IMHO.

[throt]

Digga said:

And a mate's just bought a 991.2 Clubsport GT3 manual.

Plenty selling but a good time to be buying too IMHO.

Not many cars could pull this off.

Covid and recession proof.

[Digga]

throt said:

Digga said:

And a mate's just bought a 991.2 Clubsport GT3 manual.

Plenty selling but a good time to be buying too IMHO.

Not many cars could pull this off.

Covid and recession proof.

You jest but in a way it's kind of the case. Price do seem to have softened but the GT3 market as a whole is still relatively liquid, unless you're trying to offload a UK registered LHD 997.2 4.0 that is.

[Porsche911R]

Digga said:

You jest but in a way it's kind of the case. Price do seem to have softened but the GT3 market as a whole is still relatively liquid, unless you're trying to offload a UK registered LHD 997.2 4.0 that is.

only 2 manuals OPC cars for sale, one touring one winged. both on the higher side of GT miles at 10k miles each.
both very rare cars and always have been, even though people say Porsche build thousands.when we all know it's a UK pool of say 300 cars.

both cars way over list even with 10k miles and both on Steels which right or wrong are slower sellers and both on mutli owners one of 3 and one on 2, So a buyer would be 4th on the winged now which is not apealing but it's a choice of ONE car if you want OPC back up.