992 GT3.. is here....
Discussion
993rsr said:
TDT said:
Another 991 Touring just sold off market via RPM Technik... didn’t even get as far as advertised.
£175k with 13.5k miles seems they are still doing well.Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
Digga said:
Interesting to compare and contrast to the Ferrari 812 on Collecting Cars. IIRC lost something like £118k in two years.
Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
yep - in jan 2018 i ordered a GT3 touring, delivered mar '18, done 6,000 miles, trackdays, Spa, ring, tours etc - cost me £130k, value today i guess high 160's ish. Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
in jan 2018 i specced my 812 SF, delivered jan '19, did 4,000 miles, no trackdays, one tour - cost me £307k, sold sept '20 for £217k.
so the Porsche in theory has cost me nothing, in fact it's ownership may have paid me a dividend - whereas the Ferrari cost me £90k, which is a lot of money for anyone to lose - ok it ticked a few boxes, and gave me some laughs and made me feel special, but it also stressed me out at times and was not even close to the GT3 in terms of enjoyment.
GT3's in reality remain very cheap cars to own, as long as you can afford the initial purchase price.
Digga said:
Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
My 718 GT4 arrived a week before lockdown and I've been out in mine plenty of times! He's not trying hard enough 
seawise said:
Digga said:
Interesting to compare and contrast to the Ferrari 812 on Collecting Cars. IIRC lost something like £118k in two years.
Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
yep - in jan 2018 i ordered a GT3 touring, delivered mar '18, done 6,000 miles, trackdays, Spa, ring, tours etc - cost me £130k, value today i guess high 160's ish. Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
in jan 2018 i specced my 812 SF, delivered jan '19, did 4,000 miles, no trackdays, one tour - cost me £307k, sold sept '20 for £217k.
so the Porsche in theory has cost me nothing, in fact it's ownership may have paid me a dividend - whereas the Ferrari cost me £90k, which is a lot of money for anyone to lose - ok it ticked a few boxes, and gave me some laughs and made me feel special, but it also stressed me out at times and was not even close to the GT3 in terms of enjoyment.
GT3's in reality remain very cheap cars to own, as long as you can afford the initial purchase price.
seawise said:
yep - in jan 2018 i ordered a GT3 touring, delivered mar '18, done 6,000 miles, trackdays, Spa, ring, tours etc - cost me £130k, value today i guess high 160's ish.
in jan 2018 i specced my 812 SF, delivered jan '19, did 4,000 miles, no trackdays, one tour - cost me £307k, sold sept '20 for £217k.
so the Porsche in theory has cost me nothing, in fact it's ownership may have paid me a dividend - whereas the Ferrari cost me £90k, which is a lot of money for anyone to lose - ok it ticked a few boxes, and gave me some laughs and made me feel special, but it also stressed me out at times and was not even close to the GT3 in terms of enjoyment.
GT3's in reality remain very cheap cars to own, as long as you can afford the initial purchase price.
I sat in your old 812 at DL and considered buying it however i really wanted Race seats. As they paid you £217k then they sold less than £229K which didn't leave much profit by the time they allow for prep, warranty, VAT on profit etc.in jan 2018 i specced my 812 SF, delivered jan '19, did 4,000 miles, no trackdays, one tour - cost me £307k, sold sept '20 for £217k.
so the Porsche in theory has cost me nothing, in fact it's ownership may have paid me a dividend - whereas the Ferrari cost me £90k, which is a lot of money for anyone to lose - ok it ticked a few boxes, and gave me some laughs and made me feel special, but it also stressed me out at times and was not even close to the GT3 in terms of enjoyment.
GT3's in reality remain very cheap cars to own, as long as you can afford the initial purchase price.
Taffy66 said:
I sat in your old 812 at DL and considered buying it however i really wanted Race seats. As they paid you £217k then they sold less than £229K which didn't leave much profit by the time they allow for prep, warranty, VAT on profit etc.
Yes, i kinda felt bad for them as they were first class to deal with - it was initially up for a lot more, but it’s a tough market at the mo. Glad it eventually sold, was a nice example - i actually ordered it with race seats, but that’s another story !seawise said:
Digga said:
Interesting to compare and contrast to the Ferrari 812 on Collecting Cars. IIRC lost something like £118k in two years.
Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
yep - in jan 2018 i ordered a GT3 touring, delivered mar '18, done 6,000 miles, trackdays, Spa, ring, tours etc - cost me £130k, value today i guess high 160's ish. Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
in jan 2018 i specced my 812 SF, delivered jan '19, did 4,000 miles, no trackdays, one tour - cost me £307k, sold sept '20 for £217k.
so the Porsche in theory has cost me nothing, in fact it's ownership may have paid me a dividend - whereas the Ferrari cost me £90k, which is a lot of money for anyone to lose - ok it ticked a few boxes, and gave me some laughs and made me feel special, but it also stressed me out at times and was not even close to the GT3 in terms of enjoyment.
GT3's in reality remain very cheap cars to own, as long as you can afford the initial purchase price.
RSVP911 said:
Please tell me more about how the 812 SF compares to a manual GT3 - I look at them and think at £k180 / £k190, I’d seriously consider one (I believe dealers bidding about £k200 now - so in maybe 12 months they will be around this) I’ve never driven one, or owned a Ferrari for that matter - but they are a lovely looking thing - however a heavy front engined Auto Ferrari vs a manual GT3 - maybe not
They don't compare to be honest, very different cars. The only similarity (besides the rapidly converging purchase cost) is that they both have the best current examples of modern n/a engines. The Ferrari really feels it's size, especially at slow speeds and that awareness never truly fades away, and this for me gets in the way of ones enjoyment. It's not a car you throw around with abandon like you do the 911. It's a wonderful 'event' though, and i'm glad i have been there and done that, but the GT3 gets under your skin and fits into your life in a way that the Ferrari does not. Plus to be brutal it's a bit big, heavy, and expensive (on consumables) for the odd track day, so how often did i get to stretch out that engine? Answer hardly ever. JulierPass said:
Nice 964 RS. Whats the story with that?
I had been looking for a clean honest one for ages - then a car a mate previously owned came up for sale from another mate so i bought it (12 months ago). Lovely thing, puts a smile on my face and hopefully 2021 will afford me a few more opportunities to use it.seawise said:
They don't compare to be honest, very different cars. The only similarity (besides the rapidly converging purchase cost) is that they both have the best current examples of modern n/a engines. The Ferrari really feels it's size, especially at slow speeds and that awareness never truly fades away, and this for me gets in the way of ones enjoyment. It's not a car you throw around with abandon like you do the 911. It's a wonderful 'event' though, and i'm glad i have been there and done that, but the GT3 gets under your skin and fits into your life in a way that the Ferrari does not. Plus to be brutal it's a bit big, heavy, and expensive (on consumables) for the odd track day, so how often did i get to stretch out that engine? Answer hardly ever.
Different car, but this is how I felt having spent 3 days in a new AM Vantage. Lots of drama, noise and sense of occasion, but when I got back into my 911 GTS it made me appreciate how fantastic the 911 is, across the range. seawise said:
JulierPass said:
Nice 964 RS. Whats the story with that?
I had been looking for a clean honest one for ages - then a car a mate previously owned came up for sale from another mate so i bought it (12 months ago). Lovely thing, puts a smile on my face and hopefully 2021 will afford me a few more opportunities to use it.seawise said:
JulierPass said:
Nice 964 RS. Whats the story with that?
I had been looking for a clean honest one for ages - then a car a mate previously owned came up for sale from another mate so i bought it (12 months ago). Lovely thing, puts a smile on my face and hopefully 2021 will afford me a few more opportunities to use it.At what point in time do you start saying stuff your dad used to say?!
Anymore pics of the RS seawise...its the best colour imo.
seawise said:
RSVP911 said:
Please tell me more about how the 812 SF compares to a manual GT3 - I look at them and think at £k180 / £k190, I’d seriously consider one (I believe dealers bidding about £k200 now - so in maybe 12 months they will be around this) I’ve never driven one, or owned a Ferrari for that matter - but they are a lovely looking thing - however a heavy front engined Auto Ferrari vs a manual GT3 - maybe not
They don't compare to be honest, very different cars. The only similarity (besides the rapidly converging purchase cost) is that they both have the best current examples of modern n/a engines. The Ferrari really feels it's size, especially at slow speeds and that awareness never truly fades away, and this for me gets in the way of ones enjoyment. It's not a car you throw around with abandon like you do the 911. It's a wonderful 'event' though, and i'm glad i have been there and done that, but the GT3 gets under your skin and fits into your life in a way that the Ferrari does not. Plus to be brutal it's a bit big, heavy, and expensive (on consumables) for the odd track day, so how often did i get to stretch out that engine? Answer hardly ever. Top 964RS btw - we obviously have similar tastes - I got mine last year too - fantastic little car - properly visceral little thing
Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 12th December 20:38
Twinfan said:
Digga said:
Feel bad, because a mate had one of these arrive, brand new, just days before the first lockdown in March. So he's had little to no chance to even enjoy the thing.
My 718 GT4 arrived a week before lockdown and I've been out in mine plenty of times! He's not trying hard enough BrotherMouzone said:
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