Discussion
I must admit I came to this thread expecting a lot of comment this morning. Are we still luke warm about this car?
The biggest thing I take away from the reviews so far is how tied down the front end is. Seems the DW set up has made the biggest difference. For the track rats that alone may be worth the upgrade
The biggest thing I take away from the reviews so far is how tied down the front end is. Seems the DW set up has made the biggest difference. For the track rats that alone may be worth the upgrade
browngt3 said:
Seems the DW set up has made the biggest difference. For the track rats that alone may be worth the upgrade
To me it's cleary the only upgrade, and only worth the bother changing if you track heavily. But then you'd be better off with an RS!It's become a bit no-mans land for me.
I think its a lot to do with the extremely small numbers of 992GT3s coming through this year. Only a handful on here being told they're getting one this year hence the luke warm reception. I'm happy that i never joined the bunfight to get one which does wonders for my stress levels.
The ones on here getting one seem to be keen regular track day goers which will suit them down to the ground.
The ones on here getting one seem to be keen regular track day goers which will suit them down to the ground.
Twinfan said:
Interesting that Chris' tone to me implied he liked it because it was a great last-of-the-breed NA Porsche and not that it was a monumental improvement over the 991.2. Buy one if you can because it's a soon to be extinct dinosaur, not because it's a 992 GT3.
I'm sure it's a great car, but the reviewers aren't exactly fizzing about how it's substantially better than cars we've seen before.
Yep as ever CH and HC reviews were the most informative but its a pity CH didn't comment more on the cars road skillset despite obvious restrictions from the running in process other than noting the busier ride quality especially at lower speeds.I'm sure it's a great car, but the reviewers aren't exactly fizzing about how it's substantially better than cars we've seen before.
His overall conclusion is that it gives only incremental improvements over the 991.2 but no great improvement in any one area.
Also as others have said already with better turn in increased levels of high speed grip and aero this only gives you obvious advantages on track but more of what you can't properly use even on a fast road particularly as the car is bigger slightly heavier and only faster in real terms above warp speeds. HC? also said it was less playful.
Now 75% track car 25% road car perhaps.
Twinfan said:
Interesting that Chris' tone to me implied he liked it because it was a great last-of-the-breed NA Porsche and not that it was a monumental improvement over the 991.2. Buy one if you can because it's a soon to be extinct dinosaur, not because it's a 992 GT3.
I'm sure it's a great car, but the reviewers aren't exactly fizzing about how it's substantially better than cars we've seen before.
Not substantially better, but...I'm sure it's a great car, but the reviewers aren't exactly fizzing about how it's substantially better than cars we've seen before.
Relevant comments from Chris Harris:
4:56 "Running spring rates that are roughly twice what they were on the old car, but the ride comfort is better"
5:12 "The steering accuracy is superb"
5:22 "This is a much, much more competent car than the last one. And the last one was pretty amazing"
8:32 "Steering is bang on"
9:44 "This car is noisier then the 991.2 and it is all intake noise" (less exhaust noise)
10:08 "The engine is sensational"
10:40 "(with the new double wishbone suspension) you can rotate the car like you couldn't with any previous 911"
11:08 "grip is good, traction is absolutely supreme"
11:25 "Not profoundly different to a 991.2, it is incremental, it just feels like everything has been worked on. It is the front of the car that is better, though"
11:50 "If you have an opportunity to buy one of these things, do so!"
12:12 "outrageous braking performance"
12:15 "power, torque, brakes, turnability, everything is a step on. Not a huge leap but it is better and just as enjoyable"
14:58 "it is still the matter, but I love how it turns better"
15:17 "the whole car is better connected"
15:30 "the ride is busy at low speed, but is surprisingly comfortable at motorway speed"
16:00 "can get quite busy at speed on an ordinary b-road, but it has always been like that in a GT3"
16:59 'bit rough at some times on the road"
17:20 "if you can buy one, just buy one, as it is utterly glorious"
17:50 "it looks beautiful on the road"
Summary (18:33)
"it's not a huge improvement in any single area, but when you look at all of the individual aspects that are better, the cumulative effect is that it is a better car than the last one"
I can see why some people wouldn't upgrade from a 991.2 GT3, but is does sound as though the car is better in a number of areas, albeit a smaller increment better than for some previous generations, and those who have an allocation are in for a treat. As expected!
13PDJ said:
The car is an improvement and a better car in all areas minus a slightly lower exhaust tone. I am liking the looks too, its definitely going to be a grower for anyone who isn't a fan currently.
I am super excited and can't wait to start picking 991.2's off on track
I am super excited and can't wait to start picking 991.2's off on track
Congrats to all of you that are awaiting one. Great time to get it just before the summer.
Mad Scientist said:
Carwow straight line comparison. Whilst this is just a bit of fun, does seem to suggest some Stuttgart sandbagging.
991.2:
Only got as far as Matt climbing into the frunk (toooooooooo funny) and reminding us to click on the button up there and hit the bell.991.2:
Oh yes mate, I'm very tempted to hit the bell.
peeler said:
Fantastic, obviously a better car all round with plenty of gain over the older model. Performance has moved on too
0-60 2.87 1/4 10.85 without a perfect hook up, just to think this car isn’t about straight line speed either
Hats off Porsche you’ve really pulled it off.
The 991.2 has done 2.9/3.0 to 60 and 11.1 1/4 mile so the gain is very small not sure you would notice from the drivers seat 0.2 of a second over 1/4 mile .0-60 2.87 1/4 10.85 without a perfect hook up, just to think this car isn’t about straight line speed either
Hats off Porsche you’ve really pulled it off.
Personally if you can get one and don’t have a gt3 already then it’s a no brainier ,if you have already have a gt3 I’m not so sure unless you are tracking the car weekly and being competitive .
13PDJ said:
The car is an improvement and a better car in all areas minus a slightly lower exhaust tone. I am liking the looks too, its definitely going to be a grower for anyone who isn't a fan currently.
I am super excited and can't wait to start picking 991.2's off on track
doesn't seem like a game changer but there's nothing really not to like aside from the exhaust I am super excited and can't wait to start picking 991.2's off on track
Bobskirs6 said:
991.2 time in the wet on cup 2 and 992 in nice sunny dry day on cup 2 r. Under the same conditions with same tyres times would be almost the same.
992 GT3 NOT on Cup 2 Rs, just normal Cup 2s.I don't think that the track was 'wet' for the 991.2 time in the video you posted!
Edited by Grr_Boris on Wednesday 21st April 12:28
franki68 said:
peeler said:
Fantastic, obviously a better car all round with plenty of gain over the older model. Performance has moved on too
0-60 2.87 1/4 10.85 without a perfect hook up, just to think this car isn’t about straight line speed either
Hats off Porsche you’ve really pulled it off.
The 991.2 has done 2.9/3.0 to 60 and 11.1 1/4 mile so the gain is very small not sure you would notice from the drivers seat 0.2 of a second over 1/4 mile .0-60 2.87 1/4 10.85 without a perfect hook up, just to think this car isn’t about straight line speed either
Hats off Porsche you’ve really pulled it off.
Personally if you can get one and don’t have a gt3 already then it’s a no brainier ,if you have already have a gt3 I’m not so sure unless you are tracking the car weekly and being competitive .
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