Discussion
av185 said:
Does beg the question of insurance ramifications in the event of a claim should the rear wing be removed.
No insurance company will pay out if you're involved in a crash with the wing removed. What possible defense could you use.? I don't think ''The wing fell off without me noticing'' would cut the mustard.
av185 said:
Does beg the question of insurance ramifications in the event of a claim should the rear wing be removed.
he has no insurance right now imo unless he did a Einzelabnahme like this, which i somehow doubt he would get for a modification like this (I do not know enough about it though to accurately jusge success likelihood). I suspect the police would also impound the car if they stop him.It does look quite good though
What would the police say, we are impounding the car because you were doing over 140 mph when the spoiler kicks in.Get real , they could not do a damn thing about it.
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bulls
t.
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bulls
t.Melvynr said:
What would the police say, we are impounding the car because you were doing over 140 mph when the spoiler kicks in.Get real , they could not do a damn thing about it.
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bullst.
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bulls
t.
Melvynr said:
What would the police say, we are impounding the car because you were doing over 140 mph when the spoiler kicks in.Get real , they could not do a damn thing about it.
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bullst.
I drive a very modded car (even if not done by myself and know what the owner went through to get it road legal in Germany). They recently impounded a car for being gold coloured. Germany is not some lawless country where you can do whatever you want to your car and drive around / they have rather strict rules.The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bulls
t.Edited to add: to be precise I drive a very modded Porsche
MDL111 said:
I drive a very modded car (even if not done by myself and know what the owner went through to get it road legal in Germany). They recently impounded a car for being gold coloured. Germany is not some lawless country where you can do whatever you want to your car and drive around / they have rather strict rules.
I could understand that if the car had been wrapped and not disclosed.Melvynr said:
MDL111 said:
I drive a very modded car (even if not done by myself and know what the owner went through to get it road legal in Germany). They recently impounded a car for being gold coloured. Germany is not some lawless country where you can do whatever you want to your car and drive around / they have rather strict rules.
I could understand that if the car had been wrapped and not disclosed.I think the problem of the guy in the above picture is that the spoiler does not exist as currently on the car and therefore has neither been certified as OEM part nor has it got a certification as an after market part, so ultimately it is not road legal and the outcome can be anything from a fine to confiscation of the vehicle. If he is in an accident as is, then I suspect the insurance company will pay out to third parties and then take him into regress for their expenses. When I had my car accident a lot of stuff was checked
MDL111 said:
I think the car was on foreign plates - from memory they were of the opinion that it needs to be checked by a specialist if the colour / reflection of the colour in sunlight is a risk to other drivers and therefore not road legal in Germany
I think the problem of the guy in the above picture is that the spoiler does not exist as currently on the car and therefore has neither been certified as OEM part nor has it got a certification as an after market part, so ultimately it is not road legal and the outcome can be anything from a fine to confiscation of the vehicle. If he is in an accident as is, then I suspect the insurance company will pay out to third parties and then take him into regress for their expenses. When I had my car accident a lot of stuff was checked
I suppose things change over the years, gone are the days of rolling arches for the wheels on ford angliers.Think it looks crap without the wing, but each to there ownI think the problem of the guy in the above picture is that the spoiler does not exist as currently on the car and therefore has neither been certified as OEM part nor has it got a certification as an after market part, so ultimately it is not road legal and the outcome can be anything from a fine to confiscation of the vehicle. If he is in an accident as is, then I suspect the insurance company will pay out to third parties and then take him into regress for their expenses. When I had my car accident a lot of stuff was checked
MDL111 said:
I thought in the UK you still have a pretty relaxed atmosphere with respect to modifications / MOT etc. - then again that might have changed, last time I needed to MOT a car was more than 10 years ago (managed it without cats at the time)
I would be amazed if an insurance company would give you cover never mind any MOT issue.It is illegal to modify exhausts so that they no longer meet the emissions standards though.
I think it looks great (better than the touring which I felt was a bit disappointing after the drama of the new winged version). Better yet its only a 20 minute home conversion with a minimum of tools and skill! The duck tail gives it a bit of a difference over a standard 992 carrera which I think is needed now the body shell is the same...
At least here in NZ an insurance company would need to prove causality to duck from paying out in the case of an accident with the wing removed. For example if someone pulls out in front of you at 60kmph and you fail to stop they would still have to pay out or consumer protection law would kick in. As the max legal limit in NZ is 110kmph technically I cant see a claim within legal speeds when lack of a wing would have an contributing effect. The reality is the ducktail is probably creating more downforce at 80mph then the standard carrera has before its wing deploys!
Removal of the wing on the cars dynamic abilities up to well beyond legal speeds is probably less detrimental than say changing the tyres to a harder less accomplished design (say for example fitting cheap non N rated Chinese tyres to your Carrera) and the insurance companies don't pay out because you have non N rated tyres on your car in the UK do they?
At least here in NZ an insurance company would need to prove causality to duck from paying out in the case of an accident with the wing removed. For example if someone pulls out in front of you at 60kmph and you fail to stop they would still have to pay out or consumer protection law would kick in. As the max legal limit in NZ is 110kmph technically I cant see a claim within legal speeds when lack of a wing would have an contributing effect. The reality is the ducktail is probably creating more downforce at 80mph then the standard carrera has before its wing deploys!
Removal of the wing on the cars dynamic abilities up to well beyond legal speeds is probably less detrimental than say changing the tyres to a harder less accomplished design (say for example fitting cheap non N rated Chinese tyres to your Carrera) and the insurance companies don't pay out because you have non N rated tyres on your car in the UK do they?
Cheib said:
MDL111 said:
I thought in the UK you still have a pretty relaxed atmosphere with respect to modifications / MOT etc. - then again that might have changed, last time I needed to MOT a car was more than 10 years ago (managed it without cats at the time)
I would be amazed if an insurance company would give you cover never mind any MOT issue.It is illegal to modify exhausts so that they no longer meet the emissions standards though.
End of the day the problem is that the law needs to cater for a variety of circumstances - while I am sure a 992 without the wing is perfectly safe (at least at UK legal speeds), some other modifications are likely not (e.g. I have a hard time believing that those cars with extreme negative camber and tyres much too small for the rims are safe/can brake and corner the same as a car with a normal setup).
Melvynr said:
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
I agree. In the UK is very different to Germany TUV for instance. The key in the UK is the regulations that apply for a factory build vs post factory build. In very simple terms new = type approval and used = MOT &Police(construction and use) / Insurance. Low volume new vehicles can be assessed from new under SVA rules and signed off as such.
So in this case provided the vehicle modification meets the MOT requirement and is declared and accepted by the insurers you can do what you like.
Before someone reels off the myriad of specifics I know this is a gross oversimplification. My company produces modified brake components for vehicles post build in the UK all covered by product liability insurance.
People fit braided hoses, intakes, body kits bla bla and most of it has no type approval certification for a particular application. Exceptions like brake pads for instance are assessed against a UK specific aftermarket standard.
Whether you should do it or not and whether it screws the aero to be unsafe is up to the individual but if its passed MOT/ Insurance then its passed. Weak ? I think so
MDL111 said:
Melvynr said:
What would the police say, we are impounding the car because you were doing over 140 mph when the spoiler kicks in.Get real , they could not do a damn thing about it.
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bullst.
I drive a very modded car (even if not done by myself and know what the owner went through to get it road legal in Germany). They recently impounded a car for being gold coloured. Germany is not some lawless country where you can do whatever you want to your car and drive around / they have rather strict rules.The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bulls
t.Edited to add: to be precise I drive a very modded Porsche
You can get away without having a front plate, so wing is of little concern
MPorsche said:
MDL111 said:
Melvynr said:
What would the police say, we are impounding the car because you were doing over 140 mph when the spoiler kicks in.Get real , they could not do a damn thing about it.
The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bullst.
I drive a very modded car (even if not done by myself and know what the owner went through to get it road legal in Germany). They recently impounded a car for being gold coloured. Germany is not some lawless country where you can do whatever you want to your car and drive around / they have rather strict rules.The thing with Porsche people is that they do not know nothing about modding a car as they think its taboo.People would scream on here for going up 10 mill on tyre size on same size wheel.
Personally, I dont see the point , you either want a car with a wing or you dont.As far as changing it over in half an hour for the track, bulls
t.Edited to add: to be precise I drive a very modded Porsche
You can get away without having a front plate, so wing is of little concern
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