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Monch said:
Not that I can tell immediately
It feels very much like the RS, but quieter. Much quieter…
I’m running Goodyear’s rather than Michelin’s
The tyre pressures are the higher load setting than comfort
I haven’t found my way in the computer to reduce the setting yet, but if I just reduce the tyre pressures then the alarms go off, so I just increase tyres back to the higher pressure!!
It tramlines quite a bit, but mainly the roads are s
t and I do live in the country, as seen by the cow, sheep and horse muck wedged up in the underfloor ducting!
Across the Cotswolds last week my wife and dog were only too pleased to get out! The buckets and clubsport pack don’t really lend itself to a comfortable ride.
As a mans car, it’s fine I reckon.
Appreciate that, nice review.It feels very much like the RS, but quieter. Much quieter…
I’m running Goodyear’s rather than Michelin’s
The tyre pressures are the higher load setting than comfort
I haven’t found my way in the computer to reduce the setting yet, but if I just reduce the tyre pressures then the alarms go off, so I just increase tyres back to the higher pressure!!
It tramlines quite a bit, but mainly the roads are s
t and I do live in the country, as seen by the cow, sheep and horse muck wedged up in the underfloor ducting!Across the Cotswolds last week my wife and dog were only too pleased to get out! The buckets and clubsport pack don’t really lend itself to a comfortable ride.
As a mans car, it’s fine I reckon.
I guess we all have our favourite roads we pick to have fun on, plenty of roads here I wouldn't give it stick on due to darting about.I tried before to alter the pressure in track mode just to see what it would do and gave up with it as it wouldn't set , wonder if you are in track mode when altering yours?
Be good to hear what you think about the Goodyears as well, when you get a few miles on them.Cheers.
Mine finally made it to Godzone right in the middle of our second national lockdown level 4 since Covid was a thing. Dealer is doing PPI now. Looking at the factory exit date on the seat cover data card (15.06.2021) looks like its taken 3 months to get from Germany to NZ due to all the interruptions. Its the first one the dealer has received. I think a few arrived in NZ just before lockdown but probably haven't been delivered due to being in Level 4.
Pads being changed for RT RE10 and Castrol SRF fill. Unfortunately its first track day booked for next week is lightly a scratch due to the lockdown levels.
For those that use the GT3 for its intended purpose you'll be glad to hear the pad size/shape is the same as the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3. There are around 10 of use with 991.1/2 GT3, 981 GT4 that have been running RT RE10 for 5-6 years now with great success. Fantastic pads that give around 35-40% more rotor life, last 30% longer than factory pads will having better initial bite and being totally fad resistant. Bets of all theyve never made noise on the road and bit from cold. Expensive but a "perfect" pad for the GT3 IMO
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Pads being changed for RT RE10 and Castrol SRF fill. Unfortunately its first track day booked for next week is lightly a scratch due to the lockdown levels.
For those that use the GT3 for its intended purpose you'll be glad to hear the pad size/shape is the same as the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3. There are around 10 of use with 991.1/2 GT3, 981 GT4 that have been running RT RE10 for 5-6 years now with great success. Fantastic pads that give around 35-40% more rotor life, last 30% longer than factory pads will having better initial bite and being totally fad resistant. Bets of all theyve never made noise on the road and bit from cold. Expensive but a "perfect" pad for the GT3 IMO
Race Technologies are a Brembo owned USA based company. The RT RE10 for those interested and based on my experience (around 3000 laps with these on 991.1/2. 981 GT4 platforms) is that they have slightly better initial bite than the factory Pagid pads but with far better modulation (which is useful as these modern GT cars like trail braking).
They never fade.
They are far kinder to the rotor and last longer than the factory pad.
The best thing they are as silent as the factory pads on the road and work very well from cold although they do dust up fractionally more and will squeal a little if they are very dusty so just need a wash after a track day.
If you are like me you'd say that's the perfect pad - how can a pad give you all those benefits without a downside. Well its a three sided index like any other and the third point on the triangle is cost. They are more expensive...but cheaper when you factor in the 35-45% longer rotor life and the cost of changing pads more often (caliper bolts, labour etc)
There are a plenty of happy 991 gen GT3 track guys around the world using them but there may these days be other offerings that are similar for less from Ferrodo and the likes. Ive never checked. My motto as I got older is if it aint broke dont mess with it or change it!
They never fade.
They are far kinder to the rotor and last longer than the factory pad.
The best thing they are as silent as the factory pads on the road and work very well from cold although they do dust up fractionally more and will squeal a little if they are very dusty so just need a wash after a track day.
If you are like me you'd say that's the perfect pad - how can a pad give you all those benefits without a downside. Well its a three sided index like any other and the third point on the triangle is cost. They are more expensive...but cheaper when you factor in the 35-45% longer rotor life and the cost of changing pads more often (caliper bolts, labour etc)
There are a plenty of happy 991 gen GT3 track guys around the world using them but there may these days be other offerings that are similar for less from Ferrodo and the likes. Ive never checked. My motto as I got older is if it aint broke dont mess with it or change it!
Macca993 said:
Race Technologies are a Brembo owned USA based company. The RT RE10 for those interested and based on my experience (around 3000 laps with these on 991.1/2. 981 GT4 platforms) is that they have slightly better initial bite than the factory Pagid pads but with far better modulation (which is useful as these modern GT cars like trail braking).
They never fade.
They are far kinder to the rotor and last longer than the factory pad.
The best thing they are as silent as the factory pads on the road and work very well from cold although they do dust up fractionally more and will squeal a little if they are very dusty so just need a wash after a track day.
If you are like me you'd say that's the perfect pad - how can a pad give you all those benefits without a downside. Well its a three sided index like any other and the third point on the triangle is cost. They are more expensive...but cheaper when you factor in the 35-45% longer rotor life and the cost of changing pads more often (caliper bolts, labour etc)
Bit of a question - have you ever tried Endless endurance pads ie MA45b or similar as a comparison to the RE10s? They never fade.
They are far kinder to the rotor and last longer than the factory pad.
The best thing they are as silent as the factory pads on the road and work very well from cold although they do dust up fractionally more and will squeal a little if they are very dusty so just need a wash after a track day.
If you are like me you'd say that's the perfect pad - how can a pad give you all those benefits without a downside. Well its a three sided index like any other and the third point on the triangle is cost. They are more expensive...but cheaper when you factor in the 35-45% longer rotor life and the cost of changing pads more often (caliper bolts, labour etc)
No.
I ran a set of Endless MX72 with my 991.1 GT3.
Id has such a good run with ME20 and ME22 on my 993 race car.
Unfortunately my MX72 melted. The front pads have 20% left after a long track weekend (3 tracks, 6 session per track 10 laps per session so roughly 180 laps say 350 track miles). I had to take them off as they smeared pad deposits over the rotors and caused significant rotor runout. It took another few track days with OEM pads before they started to feel half normal again. We took the rotors off and used emery cloth and then a polisher but short of putting them on a lathe that was a real ball breaka so we stayed away from Endless for a few years.
the year before last in between GT cars I bought anew 991.2 C2 6 speed and the only decent pad I could find locally for it was ME22 so I bought a set of those. That car needed bigger rotors but the M22 held up admirably. They do make a bit of noise on the road tho.
Ive tracked a GT3 with Pagid RSL29. That pad is solid but noisy on the road and needs some heat to work. The RT RE10 works like a stock street pad by comparison...
Almost 10 years and maybe as many thousand laps Ive tried many pads across a variety of maybe 8-9 track cars (mostly Porsche). I rate Ferodo, Pagid. Endless and Brembo (Race Technologies) as the brands I have had the most success with. But certain brand pads work well on a specific car (i.e. Ferrodo Uno on my Megane RS) but not on others (i.e. that pad would die on the GT3 if they even made it in the rioght size).
As I say, on teh rare occassion you find a product that works as perfectly as the RT RE10 on the 991 GT3 you just dont bugger with the formula. Prototyping is expensive and time wasting...
All that said no idea how these will go with the 992 GT3. Cant imagine they will perform any differently but will know soon enough.
PS My car shipped on the Michi Cup2 which is great but still no stock has reached NZ and they say it could be a few months..,.!
I ran a set of Endless MX72 with my 991.1 GT3.
Id has such a good run with ME20 and ME22 on my 993 race car.
Unfortunately my MX72 melted. The front pads have 20% left after a long track weekend (3 tracks, 6 session per track 10 laps per session so roughly 180 laps say 350 track miles). I had to take them off as they smeared pad deposits over the rotors and caused significant rotor runout. It took another few track days with OEM pads before they started to feel half normal again. We took the rotors off and used emery cloth and then a polisher but short of putting them on a lathe that was a real ball breaka so we stayed away from Endless for a few years.
the year before last in between GT cars I bought anew 991.2 C2 6 speed and the only decent pad I could find locally for it was ME22 so I bought a set of those. That car needed bigger rotors but the M22 held up admirably. They do make a bit of noise on the road tho.
Ive tracked a GT3 with Pagid RSL29. That pad is solid but noisy on the road and needs some heat to work. The RT RE10 works like a stock street pad by comparison...
Almost 10 years and maybe as many thousand laps Ive tried many pads across a variety of maybe 8-9 track cars (mostly Porsche). I rate Ferodo, Pagid. Endless and Brembo (Race Technologies) as the brands I have had the most success with. But certain brand pads work well on a specific car (i.e. Ferrodo Uno on my Megane RS) but not on others (i.e. that pad would die on the GT3 if they even made it in the rioght size).
As I say, on teh rare occassion you find a product that works as perfectly as the RT RE10 on the 991 GT3 you just dont bugger with the formula. Prototyping is expensive and time wasting...
All that said no idea how these will go with the 992 GT3. Cant imagine they will perform any differently but will know soon enough.
PS My car shipped on the Michi Cup2 which is great but still no stock has reached NZ and they say it could be a few months..,.!
Macca993 said:
Race Technologies are a Brembo owned USA based company. The RT RE10 for those interested and based on my experience (around 3000 laps with these on 991.1/2. 981 GT4 platforms) is that they have slightly better initial bite than the factory Pagid pads but with far better modulation (which is useful as these modern GT cars like trail braking).
They never fade.
They are far kinder to the rotor and last longer than the factory pad.
The best thing they are as silent as the factory pads on the road and work very well from cold although they do dust up fractionally more and will squeal a little if they are very dusty so just need a wash after a track day.
If you are like me you'd say that's the perfect pad - how can a pad give you all those benefits without a downside. Well its a three sided index like any other and the third point on the triangle is cost. They are more expensive...but cheaper when you factor in the 35-45% longer rotor life and the cost of changing pads more often (caliper bolts, labour etc)
There are a plenty of happy 991 gen GT3 track guys around the world using them but there may these days be other offerings that are similar for less from Ferrodo and the likes. Ive never checked. My motto as I got older is if it aint broke dont mess with it or change it!
Thanks for the Tip on the Pads, I was hoping for a better solution than the stock ones. I had mine checked after the last track day. After 2 Full days and one 1/2 day plus 1500 road miles they are down 25%, I change when they get to 40-30% remaining.They never fade.
They are far kinder to the rotor and last longer than the factory pad.
The best thing they are as silent as the factory pads on the road and work very well from cold although they do dust up fractionally more and will squeal a little if they are very dusty so just need a wash after a track day.
If you are like me you'd say that's the perfect pad - how can a pad give you all those benefits without a downside. Well its a three sided index like any other and the third point on the triangle is cost. They are more expensive...but cheaper when you factor in the 35-45% longer rotor life and the cost of changing pads more often (caliper bolts, labour etc)
There are a plenty of happy 991 gen GT3 track guys around the world using them but there may these days be other offerings that are similar for less from Ferrodo and the likes. Ive never checked. My motto as I got older is if it aint broke dont mess with it or change it!
No problem Apollo. For some reason I thought you were PCCB.
If steel then you will be very happy with the RT RE10 if you try them, Im confident.
You OEM pads seem like they are wearing as quickly as I found they did on the 991 GT3. I could get a maximum of 6 full track days (total say 360 laps or 720 miles) from the front. That was running them down to around 6mm. I would not typically go lower with pads so I guess thats leaving around 35-40% as you say.
Of course rears were lasting much longer on 991.1 GT3. On 991.2 GT3 I had PCCB and rears seemed to wear faster than before. I had manual box on that car and wondered if the car was using ABD to activate rear caliper and maybe accelerating wear, or infact the brake bias for PCCB is different.
I am on German forum PFF. A few already take the 992 GT3 with steel to the track and say the wear is faster than with 991.2 GT3. So I think its worth looking at the pads. In Germany they have now real options that are TUV approved apart maybe from a Manthey Racing pad which is a rebranded Pagid I think.
With RT RE10 you should see 9 full track days before 6mm is left. Maybe 10 depending on the track and technique.
With 991.1 Gt3 and steel 991.2 GT3 the most robust system we found was Brembo type III slotted with RT RE10 and Castrol SRF. The good news with 992 GT3 steel is no more drilled holes so the rotor should last longer.
However the technician working on my 992 GT3 made it clear that the rotor annular is no wider than before. This time they increase the diameter but not the width of the surface. Hence the same pads have same swept area. The new aluminum hat with the spigots takes up the distance that should have been won! the only benefit we get is a few cm more distance for the pad to travel for one rotation (may reduce thermal build up a small amount) and getting rid of those awful drilled holes which are crack magnets...
My only complaint is they didn't get rid of those horrible cheap Brembo fixed bridge calipers. I bet the pucks are still ceramic and crack and the boots will gets head damage in short time. Also a PITA to change pads.
Worse still the bolts into the alloy uprights.
I guess that's all the same as before and the rigid lines.
Porsche really need to look at this its been a known issue now since 2013! They need to spend a bit more $$$ to get Brembo to build a radi set up with flexy line and stainless "stud kit" mounted into the upright with nuts on the end so the caliper bolts don't need replacing each time. We used the Tarett ones and they are excellent. Save lots of cost for caliper studs each pad replacement until the local importer said we couldn't have them for warranty reasons!
If steel then you will be very happy with the RT RE10 if you try them, Im confident.
You OEM pads seem like they are wearing as quickly as I found they did on the 991 GT3. I could get a maximum of 6 full track days (total say 360 laps or 720 miles) from the front. That was running them down to around 6mm. I would not typically go lower with pads so I guess thats leaving around 35-40% as you say.
Of course rears were lasting much longer on 991.1 GT3. On 991.2 GT3 I had PCCB and rears seemed to wear faster than before. I had manual box on that car and wondered if the car was using ABD to activate rear caliper and maybe accelerating wear, or infact the brake bias for PCCB is different.
I am on German forum PFF. A few already take the 992 GT3 with steel to the track and say the wear is faster than with 991.2 GT3. So I think its worth looking at the pads. In Germany they have now real options that are TUV approved apart maybe from a Manthey Racing pad which is a rebranded Pagid I think.
With RT RE10 you should see 9 full track days before 6mm is left. Maybe 10 depending on the track and technique.
With 991.1 Gt3 and steel 991.2 GT3 the most robust system we found was Brembo type III slotted with RT RE10 and Castrol SRF. The good news with 992 GT3 steel is no more drilled holes so the rotor should last longer.
However the technician working on my 992 GT3 made it clear that the rotor annular is no wider than before. This time they increase the diameter but not the width of the surface. Hence the same pads have same swept area. The new aluminum hat with the spigots takes up the distance that should have been won! the only benefit we get is a few cm more distance for the pad to travel for one rotation (may reduce thermal build up a small amount) and getting rid of those awful drilled holes which are crack magnets...
My only complaint is they didn't get rid of those horrible cheap Brembo fixed bridge calipers. I bet the pucks are still ceramic and crack and the boots will gets head damage in short time. Also a PITA to change pads.
Worse still the bolts into the alloy uprights.
I guess that's all the same as before and the rigid lines.
Porsche really need to look at this its been a known issue now since 2013! They need to spend a bit more $$$ to get Brembo to build a radi set up with flexy line and stainless "stud kit" mounted into the upright with nuts on the end so the caliper bolts don't need replacing each time. We used the Tarett ones and they are excellent. Save lots of cost for caliper studs each pad replacement until the local importer said we couldn't have them for warranty reasons!
paua said:
Macca, should you wish to travel south, I can arrange "essential worker" docs. 
You may need to drive a boat for a day.
Hey David. As you know we are planning to come south in first week of March to play on your tracks. Hopefully by then we dont need documents. Lets hope we dont even need masks LOL! You may need to drive a boat for a day.
Hi, sorry to drag the topic down but have any of those who have taken delivery of their GT3 activated their Apple Music trial and if so how long did you get? I took delivery of mine on Friday and when tried to activate Apple it only offered 3 months - despite the blurb saying 6 months. Not sure if this is because I had already had 6 months with my Taycan or if there is a change in the offer. By the way - the car is absolutely brilliant. Not that you needed telling.
Hi, sorry to drag the topic down but have any of those who have taken delivery of their GT3 activated their Apple Music trial and if so how long did you get? I took delivery of mine on Friday and when tried to activate Apple it only offered 3 months - despite the blurb saying 6 months. Not sure if this is because I had already had 6 months with my Taycan or if there is a change in the offer. By the way - the car is absolutely brilliant. Not that you needed telling.
https://youtu.be/kKAwhZandx8
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/sachsenring
Don’t tell me it’s all about the tyres
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/sachsenring
Don’t tell me it’s all about the tyres
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